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Jake Tapper Claims Vietnam Swift Boat Vets Now Call Selves 'River Boat' Vets
Saturday, April 9, 2011 | Kristinn

Posted on 04/09/2011 6:52:08 PM PDT by kristinn

ABC News White House reporter Jake Tapper wrote on Twitter this evening:

"Talking to a Vietnam Navy Vet who says Swift Boat veterans now call themselves "River Boat" vets bc of 2004 campaign."

Tapper did not explain what about the 2004 campaign--John Kerry or the group that challenged Kerry's Vietnam service record, the Swift Boats Vets and POWs for Truth--have caused them to change how they describe themselves.


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1 posted on 04/09/2011 6:52:09 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: Interesting Times; The Shrew

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2 posted on 04/09/2011 6:52:56 PM PDT by kristinn (Lowering the IQ on FR since Jul 31, 1998)
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To: kristinn
I don't give a damn what they call themselves - thank the Lord for their work in 2004, not to mention the work they did in Vietnam four decades ago!



Lamh Foistenach Abu!
3 posted on 04/09/2011 7:02:58 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN '69 - St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle!)
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To: kristinn

If I were any of them, I wouldn’t want to be associated with that lying sack of whale shit traitor John F’n Kerry EITHER.


4 posted on 04/09/2011 7:04:52 PM PDT by Mr. Jazzy (The United States Marine Corps, your greatest friend or your worst enemy. YOU choose.)
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To: kristinn
I don't care what they call themselves. Without them, we could have had a 'President Kerry' with this as the first lady...


5 posted on 04/09/2011 7:07:00 PM PDT by South40 (Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: kristinn

they had already changed their name from “swift-boat veterans for truth” to “Swift Vets and POWs for Truth”, then ceased operations in 2008.

They’re back in the saddle and they’re changing the name ? Must be gearing up to stop Obama.


6 posted on 04/09/2011 7:10:20 PM PDT by stylin19a
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To: ConorMacNessa

Likewise. They can call themselves what they like - I call them heroes.


7 posted on 04/09/2011 7:33:12 PM PDT by rockrr ("Remember PATCO!")
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To: kristinn

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth was a ‘527’ political organization. Prior to its formation, there had long been a Swift Boat Sailors Association which was a sort of “alumni group” that held reunions and helped those who served on Swift Boats stay in touch with one another.

The Sailors Association was totally apolitical. It’s safe to assume that not every member of the Sailors Association agreed with the formation of SBVT, or with its mission of keeping John F’ing Kerry out of the White House.

I don’t know, but it my well be that confusion caused by both organizations having the term ‘Swift Boat’ in their names has caused the Sailors Association some grief in the years since.


8 posted on 04/09/2011 7:37:04 PM PDT by Nick Danger (Pin the fail on the donkey)
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To: kristinn

You have to remember that a number of Brown Water Navy vets who served on Swift Boats supported John Kerry in 2004. Not, mind you, most of those who actually knew him. I have no doubt Tapper could find (or was directed to) a few who are “ashamed” of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, but I doubt that any were ever members.

All the Swift Vets I know were - and are - proud of what they accomplished in 2004. In addition to keeping a “war crimes” smear artist and fake war hero out of the White House, they were also the catalyst for a long-overdue re-examination of the Vietnam War, the “antiwar” movement, and the toxic image of Vietnam veterans the media and Hollywood leftists peddled for so many years.

Recent attempts to smear our troops as war criminals have largely fallen flat. When the Iraq Veterans Against the War held a “Winter Soldier II” propaganda festival a couple of years ago, milbloggers tore their lineup of fakes and liars to shreds - so much so that not even the NYT and WaPo would print their charges.

Finally, many people who followed the Kerry Wars learned another important truth - that old media outlets are thoroughly dishonest witnesses which operate, for all intents and purposes, as an information arm of the DNC. Remember that the whole purpose of the Dan Rather / Mary Mapes 60 Minutes attack on GWB with phony documents was to counter the devastating critique the Swift Vets had dropped on Kerry the month before.

Maybe Jake Tapper should track down a few ex-CBS News employees, and ask if they’re proud of where they used to work....


9 posted on 04/09/2011 7:37:28 PM PDT by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: Nick Danger
It looks like the Swift Boat Sailors Association still has the same name.
10 posted on 04/09/2011 7:39:45 PM PDT by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: Howlin; eddie willers; cajungirl; wirestripper; Southflanknorthpawsis; Peach; prairiebreeze; ...

Swift Vets ping to post #9.


11 posted on 04/09/2011 7:40:37 PM PDT by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: stylin19a
They’re back in the saddle and they’re changing the name ? Must be gearing up to stop Obama.

Nope, nope, and nope.

12 posted on 04/09/2011 7:41:48 PM PDT by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: Interesting Times; Nick Danger

Thanks. I tweeted Tapper asking him to elaborate. So far, silence.


13 posted on 04/09/2011 7:47:35 PM PDT by kristinn (Lowering the IQ on FR since Jul 31, 1998)
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To: Interesting Times

Excellent post.
Thanks for the ping.


14 posted on 04/09/2011 7:47:39 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: All

The Swift Boat patriots and Kerry. And W and McCain telling them to shut up. Yeah, I remember.

God, forgive me for voting for McCain. I had no choice except to vote for W so don’t hold that against me.


15 posted on 04/09/2011 7:50:14 PM PDT by Terry Mross (Only a SECOND party will get my vote.)
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To: Interesting Times
All the Swift Vets I know were - and are - proud of what they accomplished in 2004. The most under-reported story of the 2004 election was the testimony of a Newsweek reporter who had been given full access to the Kerry campaign on condition he wouldn't write anything until the campaign was over.

In Newsweek, about a week after the election, this reporter wrote that the Kerry campaign didn't respond effectively to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth was "because most of what they were claiming was true".

I have yet to see that report repeated anywhere.

16 posted on 04/09/2011 7:53:34 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Interesting Times

Thanks for the ping!


17 posted on 04/09/2011 7:54:19 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: ConorMacNessa

Here's some minor historical trivia about the Swift Vet logo: it was created by Rich Taylor, a humorist and graphic artist who posted here for many years as "Registered." Rich submitted several different versions; some in color and some that were pure silhouettes. I took a flag from one, added it to another, and that became the final logo for SwiftVets.com.

18 posted on 04/09/2011 7:54:32 PM PDT by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: kristinn

The best and most effective political contributions I ever made were to the Swifties when they were putting a torpedo into the aft end of JF’ingK’s campaign. Love those guys!


19 posted on 04/09/2011 8:00:32 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: okie01
In Newsweek, about a week after the election, this reporter wrote that the Kerry campaign didn't respond effectively to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth was "because most of what they were claiming was true".

That quote came from Vanity Fair editor and writer Michael Wolff, while being interviewed for the never-released Kerry campaign film "In the Bubble." He said that the campaign's real problem with the Swift Vets' charges was that they "were largely true." The movie trailer made it look like Wolff was part of the campaign, but he actually wasn't.

20 posted on 04/09/2011 8:00:46 PM PDT by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: Interesting Times

Thanks for the ping, and the explanations.
I notice that the enemy’s negative term “swiftboating” hasn’t been used much lately.


21 posted on 04/09/2011 8:04:44 PM PDT by zot
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To: zot
I notice that the enemy’s negative term “swiftboating” hasn’t been used much lately.

They've moved on to new demons: Palin, the tea parties, the Koch brothers....

22 posted on 04/09/2011 8:07:18 PM PDT by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: Interesting Times

What I find kinda sad about this is if the media did their jobs, there never would have been a need for “swiftboating.”

These are American heroes who did the job the media refused to do.

The media opened to door for Jerome Corsi.


23 posted on 04/09/2011 8:15:56 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The MSM is the greatest threat to America.)
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To: kristinn

I thought they were the “Brown Water Navy” or was that a different group?


24 posted on 04/09/2011 8:17:30 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: kristinn
Thanks. I tweeted Tapper asking him to elaborate. So far, silence.

I'm happy to help Tapper with his search.

Kerry's lead attack dog against the Swift Vets was Wade Sanders, a retired Navy captain and former Swift Boat officer who was frequently mentioned as a possible Secretary of Defense for President Kerry. Sanders has always been eager to say vicious things about the Swift Vets - he even blamed them when he was convicted of child porn charges a couple of years ago. Sanders is serving 37 months in Federal prison and has lots of time available to answer questions.

25 posted on 04/09/2011 8:19:27 PM PDT by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: Interesting Times
They've moved on to new demons: Palin, the tea parties, the Koch brothers....

Perhaps because they are so afraid that someone will succeed in "swiftboating" Obama.

26 posted on 04/09/2011 8:21:18 PM PDT by zot
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To: ConorMacNessa

Hear! Hear! They should be proud of what they did and let no one vilify them. God Bless the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.


27 posted on 04/09/2011 8:21:24 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (President Obama’s approval ratings are so low now, Kenyans are accusing him of being born in the US)
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To: zot
Perhaps because they are so afraid that someone will succeed in "swiftboating" Obama.

One can hope.

They learned from what we did to Kerry. The solution was to field a candidate whose past has been almost completely erased.

28 posted on 04/09/2011 8:26:12 PM PDT by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: Interesting Times
Thanks for the ping. Heroes twice.
29 posted on 04/09/2011 8:27:48 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: Interesting Times
Thanks for the correction.

Though I think the explanation did appear in Newsweek, too.

Never heard anything else about it, did you? The media preferred to maintain the "debunked" narrative, rather than report the truth.

It just astounds me that anybody in the profession could be so overtly duplicitous. If I were involved, I'd be ashamed.

I guess it's the personal price you play for being a liberal.

30 posted on 04/09/2011 8:40:17 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Interesting Times

WRT a comment about the Wade Sanders conviction on the swifties website, John Garamendi is and always has been a liberal Democrat, never a “GOP Lt. Governor.” He is presently the congressional rep for my district, even though he has never lived within it.


31 posted on 04/09/2011 9:10:01 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: Interesting Times

Thanks, Scott. Good info.


32 posted on 04/09/2011 9:50:22 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Sapere Aude!" --Immanuel Kant)
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To: calcowgirl

Thanks.

Sometimes I feel like the 700-year-old Knight Templar in one of the Indiana Jones films — the Last Defender of the Swift Boat Veterans....


33 posted on 04/09/2011 9:57:36 PM PDT by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: Interesting Times

Your work can never be appreciated enough.


34 posted on 04/09/2011 10:10:29 PM PDT by Rex Anderson
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To: Interesting Times

As long as I live, you won’t be the last.


35 posted on 04/09/2011 10:59:04 PM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: All

ON THE INTERNET:

twitter.com/jaketapper

#

Quote:

twitter.com/jaketapper/status/56889664770031616

Talking to a Vietnam Navy Vet who says Swift Boat veterans now call themselves “River Boat” vets bc of 2004 campaign.
about 5 hours ago via ÜberSocial


36 posted on 04/09/2011 11:34:28 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Interesting Times

Thanks for the ping Interesting Times.


37 posted on 04/09/2011 11:36:48 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Interesting Times
They've moved on to new demons: Palin, the tea parties, the Koch brothers....

I am waiting for "Trumpers". ;-)
38 posted on 04/09/2011 11:44:34 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: Interesting Times

BTTT


39 posted on 04/10/2011 3:09:22 AM PDT by E.G.C. (Edward's Soft Rock Playlist: On Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/my_playlists?p=A7A56731DE671E6A)
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To: kristinn

Sooo then John Kerry is a “riverboat vet”?
Nahhhh, he still is a pathetic pos.


40 posted on 04/10/2011 3:50:51 AM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: Interesting Times

Good post, great summary. Bump.


41 posted on 04/10/2011 4:00:27 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Interesting Times

Wow, that’s just amazing. Look behind the scenes, and it’s just more piles of slime.

Thanks for all the interesting follow up. I’ve always considered the SBVT the most under-reported (of course) aspect of the 2004 campaign. I was a SBVT contributor. IIRC, I gave them the same amount of money I gave the Bush campaign.


42 posted on 04/10/2011 4:05:45 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Interesting Times
thanks...I lived on the swift vet message board for a long time.

To this day, it still twists my shorts that the main stream media never reported on the fact that:

the VVLF deposed Campbell and he admitted that it was the first time he or anybody, (including John F’n Kerry) from VVAW was ever put under oath...nobody from VVAW ever gave "sworn" testimony to Senate or House.
Under oath, Campbell admitted he never personally seen or participated in any “war crimes”.

Discovery and depositions are pretty powerful stuff and kerry and his surrogates dropped all lawsuits.

I wonder who Tapper is talking with ?

43 posted on 04/10/2011 4:12:53 AM PDT by stylin19a
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To: Interesting Times; kristinn

SF180 or Birth Certificate

Same issue, same response: as long as we make the opponents present their dental records from the Texas Air National Guard, who has to follow the rules?


44 posted on 04/10/2011 4:30:02 AM PDT by RaceBannon (RON PAUL: THE PARTY OF TRUTHERS, TRAITORS AND UFO CHASERS!!!)
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To: kristinn

Their website is still titled “Swiftboat Vets.
I was a member during the campaign, I even contributed. Like many I was not on Swift Boats but on an Army LCU. We too ran the rivers but with far less armament and seldom any support. If they ever change the name to River Boat vets I’ll have no objection.


45 posted on 04/10/2011 5:27:38 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: Interesting Times; All
Like you, I feel very strongly about the Swift boat vets… I thought that what they did during the 2004 campaign did indeed save this country from the disaster of a John Kerry presidency. (It's hard to believe that there could be a worse person in the White House, but that is clearly the case with Barack Obama…)

For about a year, I drove around with this on my window appear in Massachusetts:

To the Massachusetts moon bats credit (if indeed credit can be given in any way to them) my car never got vandalized, but I did have one incident that makes me laugh every time I think about it. One morning as I was driving into work, a car passed me on my right. As I looked over I saw a hand pressed up against the driver side window with the middle finger extended. To my astonishment, it “looked like a little old lady with a gray bun on her head! (In retrospect, I'm not sure she was actually a little old lady, but one of those 50+ year old aging moon bats, but when they look like that, you can never really tell…) I'll be honest, I very nearly did run off the road!

The night before The Gathering of Eagles in 2007, I had the honor, privilege and pleasure to meet a number of The Swift Boat Veterans at the counter-Code Pink demonstration in front of Walter Reed hospital. I got a chance to talk to them face to face for several hours, shake their hands and extend a genuine and heartfelt “thank you” to them. It was special, being able to stand up there by the side of the road, holding an American flag by their side, and being able to hear their point of view on things.

They told me the story of how John Kerry showed up at their reunion, and he walked in wearing a leather flight jacket expecting everybody to make him the center of attention… instead, all The Swift Boat veterans were saying “Who the hell does HE think he is?”

You know, I always felt that these men could have just kept their mouths shut. They could've just stayed at home and swore at the TV like many of us did. But instead, they got off their rear ends and went back to work in the service of their country. Many of them took heat for this, and there was that one fellow who lost his job because of it.

I say, God Bless The Swift Boat Veterans!

46 posted on 04/10/2011 5:54:52 AM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: rlmorel
"...instead, all The Swift Boat veterans were saying “Who the hell does HE think he is?”

That was Calypso Louie Farrahkan who said that to O-zero.

47 posted on 04/10/2011 6:04:25 AM PDT by newfreep (Palin/West 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: Interesting Times
There were two kinds of craft used in Vietnam, the Swift boats (PCFs) and PBRs. In the beginning, the Swift boats were used on the coast and did not venture inland to any great degree on the rivers. The PBRs (patrol boat river) were smaller than the swift boats and were run by enlisted personnel. They were used on the rivers and were part of the brown water navy.

Patrol Boat River

Patrol Boat, River (also referred to as Pibber), or PBR, is the United States Navy designation for a small rigid-hulled patrol boat used in the Vietnam War from March 1966 until the end of 1971. They were deployed in a force that grew to 250 boats, the most common craft in the River Patrol Force, Task Force 116, and were used to stop and search river traffic in areas such as the Mekong Delta, the Rung Sat Special Zone, the Saigon River and in I Corps, in the area assigned to Task Force Clearwater, in an attempt to disrupt weapons shipments. In this role they frequently became involved in firefights with enemy soldiers on boats and on the shore, were used to insert and extract Navy SEAL teams, and were employed by the United States Army's 458th Transportation Company, known as the 458th Seatigers.

Swift Boat

Patrol Craft Fast (PCF), also known as Swift Boats, were all-aluminum, 50-foot (15 m) long, shallow-draft vessels operated by the U.S. Navy's Brown Water Navy for counterinsurgency (COIN) operations during the Vietnam War.

Note: When Kerry volunteered for Swift Boats, they were used on the coast. By the time he arrived in Vietnam, they started moving inland on the rivers, which is why he was desperate to figure out how to get out of Vietnam as fast as he could, i.e., just 4 months after he arrived.

48 posted on 04/10/2011 7:41:56 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Interesting Times
Sometimes I feel like the 700-year-old Knight Templar in one of the Indiana Jones films — the Last Defender of the Swift Boat Veterans....

If you were, I'd consider that a badge of honor.
You performed a great service, and not just keeping JF'nK out of the White House.
You helped educate many people, including me. I am very thankful for that.

49 posted on 04/10/2011 8:49:43 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Sapere Aude!" --Immanuel Kant)
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To: calcowgirl
There were three waterborne elements to the Brown Water Navy in Vietnam: (1) Task Force 115 — Operation MARKET TIME — where the PCF or Swift boats were; (2) TF-116 — Operation GAME WARDEN — where the PBRs and Spec Ops people were; and TF-117 — Mobile Riverine Force — a joint USN-Army 9th Infantry Division operation with troops and modified landing craft. The fourth element was the Naval Support Activities (NSA) and Advanced Tactical Support Bases (ATSB).

Aft first, the Swifts (PCFs) were used for offshore interdiction of supplies. Later they were sent into the canals of the Ca Mau Peninsula which was a very dangerous place for them. The jungle grew down to the water's edge (perfect for ambushes), the canals were subject to tidal drops that could leave the boat high and dry until the next tide, and (3) the canals would narrow so it was impossible to turn the 50-foot PCF around.

The “Swiftie” crews are bona fide members of the Brown Water Navy (aka “River Rats”) band of brothers. To learn more about these three task forces and NSA/ATSB, go to: www.warboats.org, Vietnam War, and scroll down to “The Brown Water Navy in Vietnam.”

50 posted on 04/10/2011 2:49:26 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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