Posted on 04/19/2011 7:00:05 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
With Donald Trump's headline-grabbing call for our President to release his birth certificate, more and more people are discussing the circumstances of Obama's birth. Although it seems likely that Obama is hiding something -- the date of birth, the place, the father -- it is highly unlikely that he is concealing a Kenyan nativity.
The President's mother, Ann Dunham and father, Barack Obama, Sr., supposedly met in a Russian language class at the University of Hawaii. The time was late September, 1960. For the official birth date of August 4, 1961 to work, and assuming that Ann carried her baby for a full term, she would have to have been impregnated sometime in mid November, 1960.
Continuing with the official story, Obama's parents were supposedly married February 2, 1961, on the island of Maui when Ann was approximately 2 ½ months pregnant. It is at this point that we lose track of the President's mother. She is not enrolled at the University of Hawaii. No one sees her (with the possible exception of self appointed best friend Neil Abercrombie, current Governor of Hawaii), and no one can vouch for her whereabouts. That is not the case, however, with Obama's father, Barack Obama, Sr.
Gregg Takiyama, Director of Community and Government Affairs at the University of Hawaii, Manoa campus, has supplied the following information on Obama Sr.'s school attendance: Dates of attendance: Fall 1959 - Spring 1962; Degree awarded: BA - Economics, Spring 1962. Classes were held throughout the year: Fall = August-Dec.; Spring = Jan.-May; Summer = May-Aug.
Apparently, Obama Sr., once he began his Hawaiian education in 1959, never took a break in his studies until he graduated in May of 1962. This is further corroborated in a letter he wrote after graduation on May 29 to his sponsor in Kenya, Tom Mboya. In it, he brags about how fast he finished his studies:
"As you know I have been able to finish my B.A. (hon.) degree and done my M.A. within three years only as contrasted to the normal four years for a B.A. and one to two years for M.A. I have therefore been able to cut on at least two years for my B.A. and Masters." Obviously, Obama Sr. was a serious student.
In the same letter, Obama Sr. says to Mboya: "...this is the time when I feel I should thank you for the help which you gave me when I was coming here." Had Obama Sr. returned to Kenya for the birth of his baby he undoubtedly would have contacted his sponsor. Yet the letter seems to indicate that this is the first time he has thanked or been in touch with Mboya since his arrival in Hawaii in 1959.
Then there are the difficulties of a trip to Kenya in 1961: the costs and the logistics. In an article in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin, September 19, 1959, Shurei Hirozawa wrote of Barack Obama Sr.'s arrival in Hawaii: "The money he saved will only stretch out for two semesters or less because of the high cost of living in Hawaii, he found out. He'll work, he says, and probably apply for a scholarship." Obama Sr. had no money. He certainly wouldn't have had the money for two airplane tickets to Kenya. If that trip took place, Ann's parents would have to have paid the fare.
Since we know Obama Sr. was continually enrolled year round at the University of Hawaii, and he finished in three years' time what would normally take 5 years, any break in his studies would have necessarily been short. Any trip to Kenya would have to have been by air, as going by sea would have taken weeks, if not months.
For the birth to have taken place in Kenya, Ann would have been very pregnant and very near her delivery date when the trip was made. The distance between Honolulu and Nairobi, Kenya is approximately 10,700 miles. In 1961 there would not have been any direct flights, necessitating several stops and perhaps several overnight layovers.
We would then have the spectacle of an 18 year-old first time mother, days away from delivery, leaving the comfort and surroundings of her parents' home (with the blessing of her parents), to embark on a several day exhausting journey, only to arrive in a very third world country to deliver her baby in the primitive medical facilities common in the Africa of 1961. None of this makes sense.
When Obama Sr. was preparing to leave Hawaii for Harvard in June of 1962, he was interviewed by John Griffin of the Honolulu Advertiser. Griffin wrote: "Obama who has been away from Kenya for seven years, said he plans to go home after finishing at Harvard." There is no indication that while he was in Hawaii, Obama Sr. ever returned to his native Kenya, let alone with a pregnant wife in tow.
Finally, in the same letter of May 29, 1962 to sponsor Mboya, it is interesting to note what Obama Sr. had to say about his wife, no, not Ann, but rather his wife in Kenya: "I have enjoyed my stay here, but I will be accelerating my coming home as much as I can. You know my wife is in Nairobi there and I would really appreciate any help you may give her. She is staying with her brother Mr. Wilson Odiawo."
Even though the marriage practices of Kenya were somewhat more relaxed than those of the United States, one has to wonder if Obama Sr. would take his pregnant American wife back to Nairobi where his African wife was waiting for him and if under those circumstances, Ann would consent to go.
The facts we know about Obama Sr. from his school records, newspaper articles, and his own letter to Mboya strongly argue that once he arrived in Hawaii, he never left. If Obama Sr., the father, never traveled to Kenya it would follow that Ann, the mother, never did either.
Of all the uncertainties of our President's first year, whether or not he was born in Kenya should not be one of them.
What kind of a-shole tries to learn Russian in the 1960’s???
Well, in 2008 Hawaii REFUSED to confirm Obama’s eligibility. Pelosi took it upon herself to sign him off!!!
I know Birthers love the idea of having the original long-form birth certificate out there, but I think there is more to be found in the school records, health records, passport history, and Master's thesis. These are things that so many others have produced, but this fellow gets a pass.
Why not just ask for full disclosure of all the basics? Personally, I think there is probably a gold mine out there.
This article is complete BS and a waste of time. Anyone can construct a timeline to prove anything if no real prove of the timeline itself is required. Until obama produces the proper proof I refuse to believe that he is eligible for the office he ostensibly holds. He doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt and he doesn’t get it. I want proof.
There is one thing that makes me believe he was born in Kenya.... and that is the AP article that clearly states that he was born there. The article ran while he was running for the Senate seat in Chicago.
No we don't.
This is like the "US citizens couldn't travel to Pakistan in 1981" nonsense.
Birtherism is problematic because some birthers mix fact with speculation and outright lies.
What's a fact is that "Obama" won't release his birth certificate, or doesn't have one. Nobody can go wrong pounding that home.
If you have ANY evidence that Stanley Anne Dunham was in Kenya, EVER, prior to August 4, 1961 I'd love to see it.
Just as long as it isn't a link to another birther nut website.
No we don't.
This is like the "US citizens couldn't travel to Pakistan in 1981" nonsense.
Birtherism is problematic because some birthers mix fact with speculation and outright lies.
What's a fact is that "Obama" won't release his birth certificate, or doesn't have one. Nobody can go wrong pounding that home.
If you have ANY evidence that Stanley Anne Dunham was in Kenya, EVER, prior to August 4, 1961 I'd love to see it.
Just as long as it isn't a link to another birther nut website.
Wow! That's a lot of words in that article. It likely took you a fair amount of time to write it.
So?......Where's the birth certificate? Why doesn't Obama just release it?
With a nod of his head to his secretary all of this would just go away. Simple!
Sincerely,
Wintertime
I don't know much about the rest of the writer's arguments, but Muslims can have up to 4 wives. Taking a new wife to meet the first wife is not unthinkable. Also, Obama’s mother had already accepted a host of nontraditional choices and circumstances by virtue of dating and marrying an African Muslim man. That she could travel to a foreign country at such a time does not seem out of the realm of possibility.
“Obama is a virtual unknown. Why????”
Cause he and his handlers are hiding something.
Something intensely distasteful to them.
God knows what could be so excruciatingly painful to an ultra-lib.
Grandma Sarah and the many high ranking Kenyans are now LIARS according to the author.
The only thing the author proves is that he knows more about O’Dumbo Sr.’s educational background than he knows about the educational background of O’Dumbo Jr.
Lee Harvey Oswald.
Sometimes, but not always, the same kinds of people who learn Arabic, Farsi, Pashtun, and Chinese these days.
“We already know Annie was in Kenya at the time of the birth. She missed a flight getting back.”
How do we know this?
Moscow. While his Mom was in KGB training.
ROFL!!
“How do we know this?”
Because we want it to be so.
Leap of faith on who Steve’s actual daddy is.
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