Posted on 04/19/2011 8:44:20 PM PDT by technonerd
Stopped reading right there.
The whole "racist" thing is nuts.
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The "author" is demonstrable nuts.
Did anyone cry racism when they wanted to see McCain's original B.C.?
Did anyone cry racism when they wanted to see Eisenhower's?
The after-birthers, like the idiot author of this piece, are absurd.
Besides, the question people should be asking is how can someone who was born a subject to the crown of her majesty the Queen of England...inherited by birthright from his foreign father, possibly be considered a "natural born Citizen" as intended and known by the framers (& Chief Justice Marshall, Chief Justice Waite, Justice Story and the House of Representatives that debated the issue of citizenship leading to the 14th Amendment (in particular framer Bingham).
Barry, at best, was born a multi-national. No way he's a natural born Citizen.
Hyperbole. I’ve never heard anyone claim this. However, a line or two announcing a birth in the paper isn’t the same as documentation telling me where he was physically born.
I’m going along with Bill Cunningham on this one. It’s a hell of a lot more troubling that the entire paper trail following the man has been sealed or cleansed. That’s downright spooky. I can guarantee that some of my college roommates remembered me, and not for positive reasons. Why not Barack? Old girlfriends? Professors? You’d think the editor of the Harvard Law Review would have been published. I want to see his grades. I’d like to see his medical record.
Sadly, we’ve been Alinskied into a corner as freaks and nutjobs for simply asking for basic documentation about the man’s past.
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We'll, some of us haven't been Alinskied. The issue, at the national and state level, perhaps.
The advertisements in the newspapers raise more questions than they attempt to answer.
Just *who* is the nameless baby "boy" listed?
Just *who* is "Mrs. Obama?" Kezia Aoko, his wife from Kenya??
Just *why* is Obama Sr's address listed as 6085 Kalanianaole Highway in those ad's, when his address is known to be 625 11th Avenue?
Cboldt in post 70-71 makes great points. i had never seen this before:
“More than 1200 birth announcements between 1960 and 1965 were shown to contain Hawaiian addresses for registrants of births outside of the state of Hawaii”
(And Michelle Bachmann blew her interview question.
The COLB simply proves nothing EITHER way, by itself.
She simply needed to point out, that President Obama’s own sister supposedly has a COLB from Hawaii, yet admits she was born in Indonesia...)
And the article ignores years of talk by many “birthers”, about the newspaper reports. For example, why is there no record of 2 young college students ever living at that address in the newspaper, in that very large expensive house?
Yet the “historian” wrote: “I might think so, if any birther would talk about another document in this case, the report of Obama’s birth in the two Honolulu newspapers in August 1961. How did it get there?”
...i admit I don’t know the answer. but, it is clear from research i’ve read here at FR, that they never lived at the address in that announcement...
And I think if President Obama is truly proud to be our President, he should be proud to show all proof, that he is so legally, as John McCain quickly produced his long form... It would have been a noble gesture, if President Obama had done so also, 3 years ago. Before, I never had doubts of his being born in Hawaii. It is the secrecy and lack of “transparency”, that bothers me... especially when honorable men like Col. Lakin are in prison as a result of sincere questions, easily answered by $15 long form.)
...i admit I don’t know the answer. but, it is clear from research i’ve read here at FR, that they never lived at the address in that announcement..."
Obama Sr.'s address was 625 11th Ave in 1961.
And "how" the advertisement may have been generated (assuming the nameless *boy* is Barry Jr.):
Hawaii's Territorial Law, Chapter 57 - "VITAL STATISTICS, I", shown beginning pg 23 of 29, (the law in effect in 1961) effectively allowed the parents (or grandparents or other relative) of baby's born anywhere in the world to be eligible to apply for a Hawaiian birth certificate. A mailed-in form (without mention of a hospital, doctor, or midwife) signed by one of his grandparents (who forged the parent signature(s)) would have been enough to set up a birth record and a birth certificate at the Dept of Health. The Dept of Health would (presumably) then have automatically sent the names of the parents, their address as given on the mailed-in form , the gender of the child, and the date of birth to the Honolulu Advertiser and Star-Bulletin. The address given for the parents in the newspaper announcements is actually, however, the August 1961 home address of Obama’s maternal grandparents Stanley and Madelyn Dunham [6085 Kalanianaole Highway], and not the 1961 home address of Barack Obama, Sr. [625 11th Ave].
Plausible scenario:
* Barry is born overseas.
* Grandmother, knowing full what what is obvious to most - that U.S. citizenship is something valuable, takes advantage of Hawaii's loose laws (Territorial Law, Chapter 57 - "VITAL STATISTICS, I") and mails in an affidavit stating that Barry was born at home (as in...HER home (the grandmothers), at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway).
* This, in turn (per HI law), generates a birth "record" at the Dept. Of Health, "in accordance with HI policies and procedures" (sound familiar?). A birth "record" that does not contain a HI hospital generated long form replete with hospital name and attending/attesting physician or other birth witness at the hospital.
* This record, based on the affidavit of the Grandma...who IS known to have lived at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway in 1961 (probably the little cottage at the back of the residence), is what is sent to the newspapers. Their ads state the known grandma address, and unspecified "Mrs. Obama", an unspecified "baby boy" and an unspecified birth location (i.e. hospital).
After all, U.S. citizenship is (and STILL is) something that many folks born overseas covet. Not for some grand conspiracy to attain the Presidency either. Just, plain ol' valuable to have...for many obvious reasons.
“U.S. citizenship is (and STILL is)” —> U.S. citizenship was (and STILL is)
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