Posted on 04/19/2011 8:44:20 PM PDT by technonerd
Since you took the time to drop by Steve, you do know that he never did "produce" even that document, don't you? The closest anyone has gotten to an unaltered copy of it is a photograph of it being held up on the "FactCheck.org" website which has ties to Obama through the Annenberg Foundation. No independent document examiner has actually touched that paper, nor has anyone in the Hawaiian government authenticated it.
So it's a bit of a stretch to declare that he has produced anything.
Interesting perspective from a historian's point of view.
You should look at some of this man's views before you start heaping praise on him.
Steve Hochstadt
Here's one for the books...Bates College Professor: Bush Has "No character at All"
George Bush's Vietnam era activities could not have been more different. Even though he got a lower grade on the qualifying exam than many previous applicants, he was placed by political and family friends into the Texas Air National Guard in 1968, the year of the Tet offensive. That's how affirmative action worked in wartime, putting Bush in the place of another Texan with better military qualifications.
Yeah, nothing like a little context and contrast to put things in perspective.
An aside...Hey professor, isn't it strange that you could comment on Bush's grades yet you make no comments about Mr. Dunham's. Is that because they aren't available? Why do you think that is?
Wow so I guess if anyne ever ask for our birth certifcates from now on we can claim that they are being racist? Amazing!
My life as a historian revolves around looking for documents.....and if everyone in History covered their tracks as well as Barry has I would be out of the historian business, historians wouldn't even exist. No one would have a past and family trees would be but piles of sticks
No, technonerd.
The damage is done.
my reply to the uneducated historian: Mr Hochstadt, As a professor of history, you lost all credibility when you shot out of the gate with the ad hominem argument...every person questioning presidential eligibility is a racist. For the record professor, had you really studied American history as a true historian does, especiallly that of the history of America citizenship since 1776, you would have known that it is not Obama’s birth place that makes him ineligible. Rather it is the fact that his citizenship at birth was governed by the 1948 British Nationality Act. Now please do tell your readers how a person who was born a British citizen, can be a natural born US citizen which requires exclusive allegiance to the United States at birth which only comes when one is born to 2 citizen parents. References: (9 Ops. ATT’Y GEN. 3.56 (1859) published in every major news publication nationwide) and which is cited by: 1922 the US Assist Solicitor General, Richard W. Flournoy, Flournoy and Hudson, Nationality Laws (1929). Harvard Research in International Law on Nationality, 23 AM. J. INT. L., Spec. Supp. 80 (1929), (50 Mich. L. Rev. 927 1951-1952) & (66 Harv. L. Rev. 707 1952-1953). And this is just for starters, I can keep going further into the 20th century with legal precedent if you like. It is teachers & professors such as you that are indoctrinating America’s children into a life of ignorance. You should be ashamed of yourself.
And also for the record, for your readers, Dwight D. Eisenhower who was born at home & who had no birth certificate, had to go to court with witnesses, have a judge sign off & then have the court clerk certify & file a birth certificate for him before he was allowed on the ballots as a presidential candidate in 1952. Yeah, some historian you are.
http://www.constitutionallyspeaking.wordpress.com/
Went to this guy’s blog and tried to post a comment saying how astonishing and depressing it was to see a man claiming to be a professor of history who publishes such an article withhout digging out any of the history of the phrase in question. It did not seem to take. Maybe Steve only accepts comments that don’t point out his disturbing ignorance of history.
Steve Hochstadt, FOAD!
A stupid historian at that. He poisoned his own well by drawing a conclusion before he even attempted to develop his thesis---a "sophomoric" mistake.
I question his historical searching as to the “ birther ‘ issue. He seems to neglect the importance that this was a smoldering question/issue going back to Obama’s senate days in Illinois. It just didn’t get traction in the MSM. Obviously the guy is another “birther sqelcher’. Taiz is only one of several attorneys and notable public persons who have tried to just establish standing for their Constitutional concerns in our court system(s). Any state law on the matter must for state recognized eligibility purposes include the right of individuals to challenge eligibility.
Interesting?
What is interesting is that you would post this trype after being here less than a week.
technonerd Since Apr 14, 2011
IBTZ
I would add. The “birth announcements” that everyone ignores to my knowledge have only been produced as records from the papers archives. Until someone shows me an actual original paper with that birth announcement then I assume these announcements have been faked by his buddies in Hawaii. A library, or some individual would have an original copy somewhere. I have not seen or heard of one. Microfilm could be produced to show that an anouncement for the birth of Mickey Mouse is proof Mickey is not just a cartoon. Sorry Charlie.
I don’t believe anything about Obamas past.
The writer is not is historian he is like most n the MSM an Obama butt-sniffer that will continue to say that the BC has been produced. As I say to all that state that is this question “When has African been a race, especially in the 1960’s”?
The real one, the one from Kenya, certainly wouldn't help the rump-swabbing, Obama-kissing media. Would it?
It is not from a historians point of view. Historians want to view history. Not see it hidden away. And the statement
“I have a professional interest in this bit of racist politics” disqualifies this piece of trash as anything but leftist propaganda.
The only president in living memory who hasn’t turned over documents regarding basic information including school records and this guy thinks it’s racist?
Obama has spent over two million dollars to hide one document, forget the rest. How can anyone say this is a racist issue and still claim to be fair in their analysis?
Gee, you were five whole sentences into the article before you pulled your "racist" card!
But I hope Obama allows Hawaiian officials to release his birth certificate. I'd like to see it.
So the bottom line is...
... You're a birther?!!!
STE=Q
Me too. Racists cry racism when they lack any real defense.
“the first black President”
Technically the second if you count Bill Clinton.
If you ask me, Obongo is the first female president. :)
STE=Q
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