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Gay Marriage Opponents Now in ZOT
FiveThirtyEight ^ | 4-20-11 | Nate Silver

Posted on 04/21/2011 4:42:01 AM PDT by technonerd

A poll from CNN this week is the latest to show a majority of Americans in favor of same-sex marriage, with 51 percent saying that marriages between gay and lesbian couples “should be recognized by the law as valid” and 47 percent opposed.

This is the fourth credible poll in the past eight months to show an outright majority of Americans in favor of gay marriage....

As we noted last August, support for gay marriage seems to have been increasing at an accelerated pace over the past couple of years. Below is an update to the graph from last year’s article, which charts the trend from all available public polls on same-sex marriage going back to 1988.

...Both the California and Maine results were close, and because opinion is shifting so quickly on the issue, the outcomes would probably be different if they were voted on again today....

But Republican candidates, who have placed less emphasis on gay marriage in recent years, probably cannot expect their opposition to it to be a net electoral positive for them except in select circumstances. If support for gay marriage were to continue accelerating as fast as it has in the past two years, supporters would outnumber opponents roughly 56-40 in the general population by November 2012....

One way to read the trends of the past few years is that we have passed an inflection point wherein it is no longer politically advantageous for candidates to oppose same-sex marriage, which in turn softens opposition to it among the general public, creating a sort of feedback loop and accelerating the trend.

(Excerpt) Read more at fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: gaystapo; homosexualagenda; lies; marriage; moralabsolutes; peoplearestupid; perverts; poopypolls; propaganda; publicopinion; sheeple; sodomhusseinobama; trends; zot
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To: manc

Exactly. If the rest of us hadn’t been spineless coward neutered bunny rabbits, the homo-agenda would be in the closet where it belongs.


41 posted on 04/21/2011 7:21:55 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: technonerd
This is a rather ominious analysis from the social-conservative viewpoint.

Propaganda is a much simpler word troll.

Take a look at the Proposition 8 analysis -that is reality.

42 posted on 04/21/2011 7:34:18 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: Ronin

Same here.


43 posted on 04/21/2011 9:13:24 PM PDT by liberalism is suicide (Communism,fascism-no matter how you slice socialism, its still baloney)
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To: technonerd; xzins; P-Marlowe; little jeremiah; DJ MacWoW; scripter; trisham; metmom; central_va; ...
This is a rather ominious analysis from the social-conservative viewpoint.

So, you joined FR last week to try to get us to drop social conservatism? Or is technonerd not your first FR name?

The question is: where to go from here?

For actual conservatives, the answer to that will ALWAYS be to continue to advance conservatism.

The best obtainable solution is probably to sidestep the problem by separating marriage and state.

Are you a retread, or did you simply join to promote sodomy? Marriage is a solemn union between ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN, anything else is a satanic abomination.

Perhaps you should read this:

If you support the homosexual agenda you are anti-Constitution and you'll get the zot from FR!


44 posted on 04/22/2011 5:30:52 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: technonerd

Possible “Non-Sequitur”.......


45 posted on 04/22/2011 5:36:06 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: technonerd

Just shows why it’s important, as was said upthread, to keep winning elections.

It also shows what I feel is a basic disconnect, where the majority of the population seems willing to grant special rights to two percent of the population.


46 posted on 04/22/2011 5:38:55 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("It's hard to take the president seriously." - Jim DeMint)
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To: technonerd

We don’t need your advice.


47 posted on 04/22/2011 6:37:53 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wagglebee
the answer to that will ALWAYS be to continue to advance conservatism

That's what I said -- advance conservatism; get the government out of its entanglements with everything under the sun.

48 posted on 04/22/2011 6:41:39 AM PDT by technonerd
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To: technonerd

This is just your agenda driven propaganda...

Nate Silver must be a little light in the loafers...


49 posted on 04/22/2011 6:49:50 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: little jeremiah

technonerd

Since Apr 14, 2011

Hmmm...


50 posted on 04/22/2011 6:51:15 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: technonerd; xzins; P-Marlowe; little jeremiah; DJ MacWoW; scripter; trisham; metmom; central_va; ...
That's what I said -- advance conservatism; get the government out of its entanglements with everything under the sun.

I realize that you and your libertarian ilk are prey to some sort of alternate history, but the FACT remains that governments have been involved in licensing marriages since medieval times. It is a historical and traditional function of government, especially those governments that have their roots in English Common Law.

Now, libertarians love to say that we should just get the government out of marriages, but this is often because they don't want to admit that they favor homosexual marriage.

In no way does your proposal "advance conservatism," all it does is further the destruction of America.

51 posted on 04/22/2011 6:54:12 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Exactly right!


52 posted on 04/22/2011 6:57:53 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wagglebee

Amen to that.

I’ve seen some of Ron Paul’s acolytes advance the idea that we should get government out of marriage in public forums that had a cross section of participants. The radical gay activists stood to their feet and cheered when these ideas were voiced. This is no coincidence. They know damned well that if marriage is not protected on every single front they will divide and conquer us all. Just like they are doing now because the Republicans are almost all a bunch of judicial supremacists.


53 posted on 04/22/2011 6:58:46 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (What part of NO PERSON SHALL BE DEPRIVED OF LIFE do you fail to understand?)
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To: trisham
It's just another way to advance the left's agenda.
54 posted on 04/22/2011 6:58:54 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: technonerd
People come, and people go, but stupid goes on forever.

Stupid is laboring under the impression that marriage can be separated from the state. Who judges when it comes time to dissolve a marriage. You?

55 posted on 04/22/2011 6:59:03 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: technonerd

They’re lying.


56 posted on 04/22/2011 6:59:50 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (What part of NO PERSON SHALL BE DEPRIVED OF LIFE do you fail to understand?)
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To: wagglebee
the FACT remains that governments have been involved in licensing marriages since medieval times

Governments have set wages and prices by edict since at least the time of the Roman Emperor Diocletian. That's a bad idea, too.

57 posted on 04/22/2011 7:04:02 AM PDT by technonerd
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To: EternalVigilance
I’ve seen some of Ron Paul’s acolytes advance the idea that we should get government out of marriage in public forums that had a cross section of participants.

They want to get the government out of everything, that's how they advance their immoral agenda.

Sometimes I honestly wonder where the libertarians get their history, because what the Founding Fathers believed and did is VERY DIFFERENT from what the libertarians portray.

58 posted on 04/22/2011 7:04:24 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
It's just another way to advance the left's agenda.

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Yes. This "poll" is pure propaganda.

59 posted on 04/22/2011 7:06:45 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: technonerd
Nonsense. We gain nothing by ignoring the truth--that homosexual fake marriage is harmful to society, and that homosexual behavior is disordered and gross.

Our side needs to put up or shut up. If you can't be bothered to defend traditional marriage, don't complain when the homosexuals come after YOUR children.

Want to do something? Get involved. National Organization for Marriage

Our side has just begun to fight. Get on board or get out of the way.
60 posted on 04/22/2011 7:07:55 AM PDT by Antoninus (Fight the homosexual agenda. Support marriage -- www.nationformarriage.org)
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