Posted on 04/29/2011 6:45:03 AM PDT by WatchYourself
I will be supporting an actual conservative for President. My first choice is Palin. If she doesn't run I will be happy to support Bachmann. For VP choice I would be happy with West, though I think Rubio is more likely.
If I have to choose between a conservative that does not have the balls or leadership skills to put 0bama, the DNC, and Karl Rove on the defensive and Donald Trump who hands them their a$$ daily. I choose the leader, you can stick with the followers.
Trump is a clown. A buffoonish figure who could never, ever be elected President. Trump is a northeastern liberal with a northeastern liberal policy track record of pouring huge amounts of money to democrats and supporting garbage like socialized single payer health care, massive wealth taxes, etc.
A simple pre-requisite for getting votes from conservatives is to actually have a track record of being a conservative. Trump does not have that. Trump is simply not a conservative. Period. It doesn't matter how much he can run his mouth, shout, cuss, toss obscenities around, etc, the bottom line is Trump is not a conservative.
What this country needs is leadership that can take the fight to the enemy, not another bunch of wimps too afraid to even ask the questions that need to be asked.
What good is taking the "fight to the enemy" if what your fighting for it NOT conservative. Trump's policy positions are NOT conservative. How are you not getting this? Additionally, many of Trump's recently stated positions are simply irresponsible and stupid. We are not going to be seizing Iraqi or Libyan oil, we are not going to put 25% tarriffs on China. I mean, these positions are laughable and I think Trump even knows they are a joke. It seems to me the guy is deliberately making a fool out of supposed conservatives within the Republican party base that would actually support him the polls. I think when he decides not to run he is going to laugh about the support he got. He is mocking you, making fun of you - and you just don't know it yet.
Please name me one conservative that forced 0bama to produce a document (forged) that he paid millions to keep secret?
I couldn't care less about the birther conspiracy theory nonsense. It's a non issue. Always has been, always will be.
Yeah, OK.....
While that makes sense a simpler explanation for his actions is that he burnishing his brand with a whole lot of free advertising.
I agree with you...I’m watching closely and if Trump does announce his candidacy I will support him. Otherwise we elect a limp wristed republican who will do nothing to slow our slide into ruin or we will re-elect obama who will grease the skids for our slide. There’s a lot about Trump that I’m not crazy about, but there’s alot about him that I admire. And one thing I know...he will not stand idly by while our political class sells this country down the river.
"For VP choice I would be happy with West, though I think Rubio is more likely."
All, fine candidates that I would also support, except none of them (except Palin and West) is a leader, and none of them have the experience needed to deal with the financial problems that exist today.
Donald has dealt with and won negotiations with the same countries that are eating our lunch today.
Is Rubio a NBC?
"Trump is a clown. A buffoonish figure who could never, ever be elected President."
Those are yesterdays DNC talking points.
Today the taking point is "He is a racist".
Please stay in lockstep.
"What good is taking the "fight to the enemy" if what your fighting for it NOT conservative."
What good is it to be Conservative if you do not have the nerve or skills to take the fight to the enemy?
"Trump's policy positions are NOT conservative. How are you not getting this?"
If I have to choose between a conservative that does not have the balls or leadership skills to put 0bama, the DNC, and Karl Rove on the defensive and Donald Trump who hands them their a$$ daily. I choose the leader, you can stick with the followers.
"Please name me one conservative that forced 0bama to produce a document (forged) that he paid millions to keep secret?""I couldn't care less about the birther conspiracy theory nonsense. It's a non issue. Always has been, always will be."
You miss the point (purposefully I think), the point is that Donald lead and won the victory in two months that the other conservatives would not even mention.
We have no conservative leaders of that magnitude and I'm not willing to accept half baked spineless beginners.
"But voting for Trump is not the answer either.""Voting Conservative is."
I would love to vote a winning conservative ticket with a proven leader at the top.
Unfortunately, we have no conservative proven leaders that can win the race, so I would vote a Trump\West ticket if the choice presented itself.
Voting for a RINO is like voting for the failing politicians we have now. We lose anyway.
You might as well vote your conscience and vote your principles and go down fighting for this Republic rather than trying to guess who “might” be electable.
If you don’t vote conservative then they CAN’T be electable. See how you undermine the movment that way?
If Trump were to run against Obama in the Democrat primaries, that would prove that he’s a racist, in the eyes of most Democrats...even more than when he used the word “basketball.”
Reading Donald Trump is like reading Sanskrit. He is mainly all about himself.
If he can weaken Obama for 2012, I’m all for it.
Hell I’d take HILLARY over Obama right now, no question.
I’d be all for that for several reasons:
1. He probably wouldn’t win over Obama but he’d batter him and force him to spend a LOT of cash.
2. If he did somehow get the Dem nomination, he’d probably be easy to beat.
3. If he DID become President, he’d still be a lot better than Obama or most other Democrats.
So what? So has George Soros and any number of progressive/leftist business people. There are many hugely successful Democratic business folks, do you think they would make a good President? It is a plus for a candidate to have run a business and understand the real world, but it is only one factor among many when weighing who would make a good President.
Today the taking point is "He is a racist".
I'm just sticking with clown. His is a larger than life yet buffoonish reality TV star, he has not the slightest chance of winning the GOP nomination. The only way he could really remain relevant would be to run 3rd party, in which case he'd siphon off anti-Obama votes and guarantee Hussein another term.
Is Rubio a NBC?
Born in Miami and most certainly qualified to hold the office of President. He will undoubtedly run in 2016 if Obama is re-elected for another term in 2012.
You miss the point (purposefully I think), the point is that Donald lead and won the victory in two months that the other conservatives would not even mention.
The point is, that a reality TV star with a wide audience banged away at a conspiracy theory and got Obama to release his long form is simply not much of an achievement. The whole birther thing has been a distraction and silly conspiracy theory from the start.
We have no conservative leaders of that magnitude and I'm not willing to accept half baked spineless beginners.
Donald Trump is NOT a conservative. Period. What your saying is you'd rather nominate a candidate (Trump) who has a track record of supporting populist leftwing positions (socialized health care, massive wealth taxes, etc) and has zero track record of intellectually conservative thought, over one of the many perfectly good candidates that will likely emerge through our primaries. It is media spin that the Republicans don't have a good field of candidates. There is nothing wrong with the actual conservatives that are potentially going to run - Palin, Bachmann, Gingrich, Pawlenty, etc. None are perfect of course, but all are actual conservatives with a history to prove it - unlike Donald Trump who is NOT a conservative at all and has a history of supporting the kinds of things Bernie Sanders (Socialist, VT) supports.
Okay, you lost me when you said there is nothing wrong with Gingrich. The man caved to Clinton when he was Speaker and he caved to Pelosi on the couch. He’s also a serial adulterer. The fact is, our slate of candidates suck, which is why I was hoping the “birther” thing would pan out.
Hanging your hopes on the "birther" stuff is pretty weak. That was never going to pan out.
So you don't like 1 out of the list of candidates I noted off the top of my head? So what? There is still plenty of good candidates. The idea that our potential contenders are bad is a media creation - and not a new one at that. There is not a thing wrong with Palin, Bachmann, Pawlenty and yes Gingrich. If you don't like Gingrich, then just scratch him off the list. There are others as well that may or may not jump in the race - and our bench is extremely strong with folks like Christie, Rubio & Martinez (all of which could be asked to run as a VP).
Hussein is very beatable. It will be tough no doubt, and it will require a great campaign and everyone to pitch in as best they can - but BHO has been an awful President who is rapidly bankrupting the nation and there is no reason at all we can not remove his socialist carcass from the White House by beating him in an election. We don't need conspiracies theories to take Obama down, we just have to offer voters a clear conservative choice and a better vision of the future.
I think it was Jerome Corsi.
I admire your optimism but I just don’t agree. I think this is 2004 all over again but the party roles reversed. Bush was very beatable but the rats had nobody running who could do it. These candidates are all deeply flawed. For starters, I don’t like Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich or Daniels. Palin has been so demonized that she is unelectable. Her negatives are too high to overcome. I like Bachmann, but she has no executive experience. Pawlenty was a decent governor and is relatively conservative but comes across as a boring milquetoast. He’s also taken some positions over the years that are a bit troubling. As for Christie, I don’t think he’s running and he’s a little too east coast for my taste.
"I think it was Jerome Corsi. "
You are really jumping through hoops to ensure that Trump gets no credit, your desperation is showing.
But, I think Jerome Corsi meets the criteria of a Conservative that helped force the issue and therefore the result.
Let me know when he decides to throw his hat in the ring to run for President.
"There are many hugely successful Democratic business folks, do you think they would make a good President?"
Which one of the people have taken on 0bama, DNC and the RNC head on?
I am a Conservative Independent, therefore I am not in lockstep with the GOP.
"His is a larger than life yet buffoonish reality TV star, he has not the slightest chance of winning the GOP nomination."
Another Billionaire Buffoon? What are the chances?
"Born in Miami and most certainly qualified to hold the office of President."
As you know, it does not matter where HE is born as much as if both of his parents were US Citizens?
Do you have any proof of the parents citizenship?
Is he a Natural Born Citizen?
"The whole birther thing has been a distraction and silly conspiracy theory from the start. "
Yeah, requiring a candidate to comply with the Constitution that they take an oath to defend and uphold is a real "distraction".
How silly of us to even ask for any proof of eligibility,
"What your saying is you'd rather nominate a candidate (Trump) who has a track record of supporting populist leftwing positions (socialized health care, massive wealth taxes, etc) and has zero track record of intellectually conservative thought, over one of the many perfectly good candidates that will likely emerge through our primaries."
You purposefully misstate what I am saying.
What I actually said is I would support a leader over a Conservative candidate that does not have the nerve or skills to lead.
We are not in the primaries, so you can not state who will emerge from the primaries as the GOP candidate.
Remember, McCain won the primaries last time around.
"There is nothing wrong with the actual conservatives that are potentially going to run - Palin, Bachmann, Gingrich, Pawlenty, etc."
All of them lack the business experience and deal making experience of Trump, Palin is the only leader in the bunch that you mention although West is a definite leader unafraid of a conformation and able to kicka$$.
"If you don’t vote conservative then they CAN’T be electable. See how you undermine the movment that way?"
You make some good points in some of your other posts that I have not highlighted in the reply to this post.
If the choice is between a leader with a conservative as VP and a conservative with no leadership skills, I will vote for the leader every time.
Donald, says he is conservative, Ronald was once a Dim, I was once a Dim we all had to change at some point in our lives.
I do not pretend to be able to see into the heart and mind of Donald Trump, but if some one looked at my past statements and contributions when I was a Dim, I could see how they could question me in my first few years as an Independent Conservative.
I would love to have a true conservative candidate emerge from the primaries as the GOP choice, but it is not going to happen.
Romney is their choice.
You know, in many ways you sound like a fairly insightful realist. I am surprised someone who analyzes things the way you do - cold, hard, a bit cynical maybe, would hang your hopes on a conspiracy theory. There really was no way the birther stuff was going to pan out. There is a good reason almost every prominent conservative avoided it as best they could. Some didn't want to offend a segment of the activist base that believed in this stuff, but folks like Coulter, Levin, Malkin, etc, etc, knew all along this would amount to squat.
Anyway, the birther stuff is done. Trump is not a serious candidate and not even a conservative so he probably won't run, and even if he does he will not win the GOP nomination. Time to move on. I don't see 2012 looking like 2004, I see it more like 1992. Obama has been a failure. Facts are facts. He has failed, unemployment is worse than when he was sworn in, the debt is massively higher, inflation is starting to roll, etc. Hussein has made things worse. Period. Now we just came off a significant off year election with conservatives winning a LOT of seats (particularly on the local and state level), and the public basically knows what the Republicans/conservatives/tea party stands for. Now they will get to make a choice and we have a real opportunity to put a strong conservative in the White House. If the economy stays even close to as bad as it is, not only might we win in 2012 - we may win with a public that understands its actually voting for people who will really cut budgets, change entitlement programs, etc.
I'm just not as negative as you. I think your analysis is not entirely wrong in certain ways, but once one of our candidates wins the nomination they will seem more presidential than they do when they are part of a large pack of wannabe's. And if the field remains unsettled, we may see other candidates enter the race. I think, for instance, there is at least a chance Rubio jumps in.
No credit for Obama showing his BC. The Swift Boat meme was their worry. Trump bumps this, but without it Trump is a flea, a caricature. Whatever Trump has he's most likely getting from Farrah/Corsi and thus far Trump's not delivered on anything. It's not good to promise and not deliver.
Let me know when he decides to throw his hat in the ring to run for President.
I'm fine if Corsi has anything near the effect on Obama that he did on Kerry. IF Trump runs, it's a negative - not a serious candidate, detracts from anyone else who is, a danger to run third-party.
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