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Obama's birth certificate: If only proof were needed
The Economist ^ | 4/27/2011 | Democracy in America Blog

Posted on 04/30/2011 5:57:09 PM PDT by mlo

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The excerpt says it all. The problem with birthers is not that they are opposed to Obama. Any rational person should be that. It's that they interpret evidence only to confirm what they already feel. Kinda like liberals.
1 posted on 04/30/2011 5:57:12 PM PDT by mlo
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Where in the constitution does it say Dual born citizens are eligible?


2 posted on 04/30/2011 6:01:01 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: mlo

Well, everybody needs a hobby.


3 posted on 04/30/2011 6:04:10 PM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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The excerpt says it all. The problem with birthers is not that they are opposed to Obama. Any rational person should be that. It's that they interpret evidence only to confirm what they already feel. Kinda like liberals.

Really? Does that include this man?

Post 82 JimRob

I’m fine with Palin. Love her. But show me the real long form and all the rest of the missing records and then this particular issue would be history.

4 posted on 04/30/2011 6:09:47 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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RE: "The problem with birthers is . . . they interpret evidence only to confirm what they already feel. Kinda like liberals."

All we are saying♩♪♫
is give release a chance♩♪♫

I gotta do it, you gotta do, all God's people gotta do it -- except Obama?

That don't make a lick of sense.

5 posted on 04/30/2011 6:27:38 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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Nice try, but Jim has not been promoting birther theories.


6 posted on 04/30/2011 6:31:00 PM PDT by mlo
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"Feelings come first, and evidence is used mostly in service of those feelings. Evidence that supports what is already believed is accepted, that which contradicts it is not."

Obviously they're talking about the notion that Hussein is a good President.

7 posted on 04/30/2011 6:31:29 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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(Do I have to say it?)


8 posted on 04/30/2011 6:31:41 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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"Where in the constitution does it say Dual born citizens are eligible?"

Wrong question. Where does it say they aren't?

And let's cut straight to the correct answer. It doesn't.

9 posted on 04/30/2011 6:32:05 PM PDT by mlo
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Yes, there are people doing that too. I did compare birthers to liberals for a reason.


10 posted on 04/30/2011 6:33:01 PM PDT by mlo
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Just because you said so, no backsies, double finger cross, zingers.


YOU have no PROOF.

You are going by feelings without logic.

The constitution REQUIRES the POTUS to be NBC.

The constitution REQUIRES the POTUS to be NBC.

The constitution REQUIRES the POTUS to be NBC.

Did I hurt your feelings?

11 posted on 04/30/2011 6:35:10 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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It's that they interpret evidence only to confirm what they already feel.

I feel that Obama has not proved that he is eligible to run for president. The "evidence" he has provided indicates to me that he is still lying. Why should anyone believe him? Why do you?

12 posted on 04/30/2011 6:44:15 PM PDT by Misterioso (The noble soul has reverence for itself. - Nietszche)
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But he is saying is somethings are missing . What he asks for sure smells like what a birther has been/is asking.


13 posted on 04/30/2011 6:49:21 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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In psychology, it's called "selective perception." People tend to value information that supports their existing beliefs, and devalue information that contradicts their existing beliefs. This is normal human behavior but counter to reason. Reason demands that we draw conclusions based on observable facts and sound logic.

There are numerous "birther" beliefs, and each must be examined separately to evaluate its validity.

Regarding the validity of the latest BC, I cannot draw a conclusion because I cannot detemermine all the facts surrounding the BC. A forensic document examiner can do that, but I cannot. If Joe Blow walked up to me and handed me a BC like Obama's, I could not determine its authenticity. To date, I have not seen convincing evidence that the BC is real or fake. Therefore, I will await further facts before drawing a conclusion.

14 posted on 04/30/2011 6:59:34 PM PDT by matt1234 (Dreams from My Father II: Alien Sex Files)
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I agree that the Constitution does not say anything explicitly about a person with duel citizenship not being eligible for POTUSA. It does say explicitly POTUSA shall be a ‘natural born citizen’. I would guess the next logical link to be answered is “Who is a natural born born and what sets the status of such?. As for me I’ll go with the Founding Fathers and their documents and public expression of intentions.


15 posted on 04/30/2011 7:03:25 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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Jim Robinsons post was quite clear. So is this keyword at the top of the forum.

NaturalBornCitizen

16 posted on 04/30/2011 7:03:49 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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“Where in the constitution does it say Dual born citizens are eligible?”

Wrong question. Where does it say they aren’t?

And let’s cut straight to the correct answer. It doesn’t.


Wrongo mlo—

Article 2 Section 1:

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

No person...It doesn’t say dual born citizens are or are not eligible. It says...No person except an NBC.

No person except a natural born citizen.


17 posted on 04/30/2011 7:04:40 PM PDT by Amadeo
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To: noinfringers2
"As for me I’ll go with the Founding Fathers and their documents and public expression of intentions."

No you aren't. You are going with birther distortions of what the Founding Fathers said. Again, see the original post. They start with what they want to believe and make the evidence fit that.

19 posted on 04/30/2011 8:20:28 PM PDT by mlo
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But that’s not contrary to what I said.


20 posted on 04/30/2011 8:21:45 PM PDT by mlo
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