Posted on 05/03/2011 7:10:18 AM PDT by Smedley
A friend of mine who is a graphic artist opened up the official PDF of Obama's birth certificate with Adobe Illustrator. According to him, and I quote:
"Okay, I finally got my Trial version of Illustrator up and running. I downloaded the wh.gov version of the birth cert. It comes in with (9) "groups" with clipping paths. One clipping path (the one I enclosed) draws a box around the "Non" of "None". The next clipping path surrounds "AUG-8 196" ... and so on. I'm not a kook or anything, but this looks pretty sh***y. I would think a birth cert from 1961 would be a simple xerox of micro-fiche without layers...
That's okay, I'll say it: It's phony.
Actually, someone else from Hawaii posted their BC with UKL Lee’s signature on it.
That aspect was de-bunked right away.
I am beginning to understand how 6 million Jews did nothing. They simply couldn't believe their country was that evil even though it was right before their eyes.
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I remember reading stories about Kosovo and how the men were dragged out into the street and shot. I resolved then that if that ever happened here, they would have to get through me first, a 64 year old grandmom. I would do as much damage as a I could ( even if they killed me) before anyone would drag my husband and sons out onto the street to be shot or shoveled into a cattle car.
One of the important points taught in self defense courses for women is to decide **before** an event happens what you will do. For instance, I personally have decided that no one will ever drag me into a car. I will do everything and anything to resist. They will have to kill me in the parking lot.
Yes, I saw that post. I didn’t recognize the poster’s name though. With this administration its trust but verify.
So...Other than that **one** post has anyone verified the existence of UKL Lee?
Only to LJ, Lucy,
Mornin’ ladies,
This #40 is from “wintertime” who’s a member of the ping list. I don’t know what she means, especially in (1- ).
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2714190/posts?page=40#40
I don’t know if the softening of opinions on the numerous BC frauds is now the order of the day. The arguments ”he got bin Laden, give him a pass” or “let’s concentrate on the election because we’re losing as fringers” are ONLY serving the 0b0z0ids!
Maybe, she wrote the post poorly or is it another newly created (paid) Trojan Horse who deserves to be kicked out from the ping list?
Need your opinions and Lucy’s orders regarding the list.
It was established years ago that the birth announcements in the newspapers are a routine publication of the births and deaths appearing in the Health Department vital statistics reports supplied to the newspapers. In other words,any birth registrations filed with the Health Department were summarized in a vital statistics report, and the Health Department handed them to the newspapers for publication.
Since the Department of Health permitted the filing of birth registrations which occurred outside of a hospital, at home, without an attending physician or midwife, and even in a foreign nation with Hawaiian parents; there was nothing to prevent a birth in another state such as Washington State or another nation like Kenya or Canada from being registered in Hawaii by a member of the family like Madelyn Dunham, the grandmother. Once the birth registration is filed, it is routinely published in the newspapers regardless of what state or what foreign nation the birth actually took place.
No time machines or bizarre strawman conspiracy theories are required to explain the birth announcments versus a non-Hawaiian place of birth. The Hawaaian statutes and the birth announcement procedures have been well known in the eligibility controversy since at least 2007.
They’re not stupid at all. For the same reason(s) it took O so long to release it, I think he WANTS the birther movement to continue, so as to keep dividing conservatives by having one part of them barking up a dead tree...
I second the motion: “Now let’s move on and work on getting a Conservative elected in 2012!!!”
Sorry, forgot to ping you to this.
Well, not necessarily. If any of the text happened to overlap some other part of the image, such as a signature, then that text would be interpreted by the OCR software as a graphic element, and not be treated as text. You can see this where the handwritten "Stanley" overlaps the words "Signature of Parent". The OCR software only recognized the fragments "S ture Pare" as text.
What is not explained is why the final digit of the serial number wasn't interpreted as text, since there is no overlapping with a graphics element. It is clear and well formed.
I know I shouldn’t take this bait, but oh well, what’s a good FR slugfest without somebody going where they shouldn’t, eh?
Yes, there are categories, but it’s not quite right to impose the classifications on persons, because some of us can play multiple simultaneous chess as well, and thus entertain one or more theories. As a lawyer, I am even capable of simultaneously considering multiple contradictory theories.
But I digress, because I wanted to eliminate from consideration the BOR time-travel canard re the birth announcements. As a card-carrying eligibility skeptic (not a “birther” - as in, you wouldn’t call a Tea Partier a tea bagger, would you?), it’s the one objection I just don’t understand. Feel free to try and explain it to me, but as far as I know, only the ObamaIsADeepSovietAgentBirthers or the ObamaIsAntiChristBirthers actually think any multi-decade planning might lie behind the birth announcements. Virtually everyone else, at least that I am aware of, sees no need for a theory of long foresight. There was in 1961 as there is now plenty of motivation to fake primary birth documents such as birth certificates, etc., and there are reasonable arguments that the announcements would have generated automatically by standard business practices of the time, with no special foresight or even effort required by the fakers.
But that’s just my view of the most likely scenario for those announcements to exist, assuming arguendo a non-Hawaiian birthplace (to which I am also agnostic, as I, being an attorney, do tend to rely more on the dual citizenship with Britain as the controlling issue, just as you predicted). Other theories exist as well, such as the faked microfiche theory. I have seen some of the forensic analysis for this and, as a lawyer, feel I would need expert testimony and open-ended discovery to resolve it one way or the other. Yet, as a theory, it has neither been proven nor debunked, rendering your “foresight objection” meaningless once again.
So you can rail on as if there are some folks who are impressed with your time-travel musings, but to most of the rest of us, such thinking only makes it appear you have not deeply interacted with the material being considered. Which of course is your choice. Just don’t expect to move anybody but the wholly uninformed off their skepticism with specious arguments like that (insert wry smile here).
BTW, some enterprising young PHD candidate would do well to consider doing a thesis on all the classifications of doubt concerning Obama, including an honest, objective assessment of motives, both rational and irrational. It would make a fascinating read and be very helpful as a tool for fostering mutual understanding. One thing conservatives have to do better is learn how to agree to disagree among themselves with respect. It helps our Marxist opponents for us to Balkanize ourselves over these issues, and we should make it one of our most important objectives that we stay united in purpose and keep our eyes on the prize, regardless of our differences.
Take any printed image. Say the certification of mental derangement.
Scan it with any desktop scanner and save it as a Tiff file.
Then download your trail version of Adobe Acrobat creator. Import the Tiff file into the program, and save it as a .pdf file.
Then, download your trial version of Illustrator. Your buddy can give you the web address. Wait three days for it to download through the 28 baud modem.
Then install it and import the pdf file.
Voila, the certificate of mental derangement is a fraud because it now has layers.
This is not a conspiracy. It is a group of folks who do not know how to manage documents in the digital age.
I suppose I am getting discouraged. :-(
Obama has us in a bad position.
I am **furious** with our weenie politicians, so-called “conservative” media, courts, and even our highest military who have turned a blind eye to the fact that we have a likely usurper in the White House and the **REFUSE** to do anything about it!
I honestly believe that we are **seriously** in one of the most dangerous periods of our history. Our nation, its values, and our freedom is literally hanging by a thread. The people in our nation's administration are, indeed, communists.
When any elected official becomes too important to remove from office regardless of the law and the oath of office, you have surrendered your sovereignty to that elected official and his supporters.
Communities and societies who have allowed this to happen have found themselves powerless to obstruct the imposition of a tyranny without mortal consequences. The law exists to deter and avoid such conflicts before they become a mortal danger to members of the community.
The Citizens of the community are supposed to be the sovereigns and the ultimate parties responsible for the preservation of the Republic. When these sovereigns fail in their obligation and duty to provide effective oversight of their delegates and representatives in government, they neglect their rights and obligations at peril of their loss. If the sovereigns of the nation cannot or will not provide the oversight of its delegated powers to determine the qualifictions for whom is and is not eligible to serve as the chief executive officer of the Federal government, what makes them think they can do so in any other matter of import to their interests and preservation of their sovereign authority?
In other words, even if a particular person is qualified to serve in an elected office, by what right are the Citizens of the nation not entitled to preserve their powers to supervise the acts of their delegates and representatives in government? When the delegates and representatives deny their sovereign masters the power to examine the qualifications of their elected officials, then who is the sovereign master and who is the servant, regardless of the final answer to the qualifications of the elected official? Does the whole controversy come down to a conflict between who commands and who obeys?
Actually I respectfully disagree; I don’t usually disagree with you!
Trump should keep hitting on fraudulence, documents etc because they are not mere pieces of paper, they are proof and evidence of the entire criminal enterprise.
And Trump gained tremendous traction precisely beacuse he was hitting on this issues - it IS important to the people in general.
No matter what anyone not a leftist does or says, they will be hated and vilified by the media. That goes without saying. Worrying about being called fringers and lunatics is happening and if conservatives give up the fight against the NON-eligibility of Zero, then the left - WHICH INCLUDES RINOS! - will find other nasty names to call conservatives.
Not an inch of ground should be given up!! NOT ONE INCH!
If you had done your homework, you would know that in the summer of 1961, the 2 Honolulu papers had different lists of births, and the total of birth announcements in the papers did not equal the total number of actual births. In around 2008 when someone at one of the newspapesr was asked if the Dept of Health gave the births to the paper, the newspaper employee stated (and I read this on FR) HE DID NOT KNOW THE PROCEDURE IN 1961!!!
Now they lie and claim that was the procedure. But it could not have been, because all the births were not listed, and the lists on the 2 papers were not replicas of each other.
There is much other evidence that the microfiches of the announcements has been tampered with.
I sometimes get discouraged too. Actually often, but it has the other side like a coin, and the other side is bitter and hard defiance.
I know that their criminal edifice and the disgusting cowardly self-serving moral blindness on the “other” side that enabled it (and aided and abetted) will fall.
And seriously, I don’t think it will be a long time. And I am not predicting “revolution”. Time enacts changes, natural law enacts changes, the wheel of fortune aka “as you sow, so shall you reap” or “karma” comes to mind as well.
1. The fact that they released a “copy” of a purported DOH of Hawaii generated COLB with embossed seal is all that you need to know. The copy of the supposed certified copy has no value.
2. The fact that they released a “scan-to” and/or “pdf” of a purported DOH of Hawaii generated COLB with embossed seal is all that you need to know. The “scan-to” and/or “pdf” of the supposed certified copy has no value.
He released nothing - we still have not seen a certified copy containing the required embossed seal of Obama’s COLB as it would appear when removed from the DOH envelope whether in person or in court.
...since it’s of no value at the outset - chasing all the ghosts of layers, letters, alignment, etc., is an utter absolute waste of time.
You can’t use what Obama released FOR or AGAINST him because it certifies nothing...it’s just garbage erratta on a piece of paper and in a digital pdf.
=8-)
Obama is laughing. The man is a sadist.
Why should Americans have any need to resort to Ocham’s Razor to deduce that Bin Laden is dead. Yes, I believe OBL is dead, but only because I believe that a conspiracy involving Navy Seals is unlikely. The actual evidence released by Obama, as usual, is of indecisive quality, when definitive proof is fully available. It is EXASPERATING!
Obama will continue to use this strategy in the future, regardless of the issue. He will continue to dribble out evidence of very poor quality, and withhold the **EXCELLENT** and definitive proof that **exists***. When conservatives, **correctly**, point out that his evidence has the weight of a piece of chicken poop, he laughs and gets his minions to call us “fringers”, “birthers”, or “conspiracy nuts”.
Obama has us in a very bad spot. We really only have two choices:
1) Continue to defend the Constitution. Continue to point out the forgeries. Continue to point out that Obama’s “evidence” **sucks** and that he is deliberately withholding high quality evidence. In return we must find a way to counter the inevitable attacks from the Obots and media ( even Mark Steyn) that we are “fringers”, “birthers”, and “conspriacy theorists”. We must find a way to counter these attacks because it is a Marxist strategy that really could lose elections for conservatives.
I will stand boldly with this first group. I do it for our freedom, or nation, and my own self-respect. I trust that God will inspire us to find a way to counter the **LIE** that we are “fringers”, “birthers”, and “conspiracy theorists”.
2) or...Ignore the Constitutional debate and try to win election. Doing this, though **WILL** soften and destroy the Constitution and ultimately lead us down to slavery ( very softly, though).
Why Obama would post this slop on the Internet when it is absolutely within in his power ( with a nod of his head) to release DEFINITIVE, provable, and certifiable evidence that would have no cloud whatsoever of being a forgery!
THAT is the real “why” that needs an answer.
My personal conspiracy theory:
Obama is a sadist, and enjoys shoving a thumb in the eye of his political opponents.
We did our homework...years ago. The newspapers are not supposed to publish the exact same lists or at the same time. That in no way changes the fact that the vital statistics reports were used by the newspapers to publish birth announcements in their newspapers.
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