"... but if we could finish planning your vacation."
Posted on 05/06/2011 9:14:34 AM PDT by garjog
"But policies put in place by the very administration that presided over this splendid success promise fewer such successes in the future. Those policies make it unlikely that we'll be able to get information from those whose identities are disclosed by the material seized from bin Laden. The administration also hounds our intelligence gatherers in ways that can only demoralize them.
Consider how the intelligence that led to bin Laden came to hand. It began with a disclosure from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM), who broke like a dam under the pressure of harsh interrogation techniques that included waterboarding. He loosed a torrent of information—including eventually the nickname of a trusted courier of bin Laden."
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"... but if we could finish planning your vacation."
Just read an artilce on Christain science monitor...says they got the info from Mohammed AFTER the waterboarding stopped when they promised him cookies and milk and a rack of lamb.
Interesting comments after the article. I look at it this way; if my family was being held by terrorists and the only way to save them was by torture of terrorist, I would highly recommend it!
Do you have a link to this?
The libs’ll love this!
obama war room photo
“if my family was being held by terrorists and the only way to save”
Think of the families that would have grieved over the loss of loved ones killed by terror attacks that were demonstrably prevented by the interrogations?
I keep thinking of the young guy here in Washington state who came home on 9 11 and got a voice mail from his beautiful fiance about how afraid she was the the black smoke outside.
That could be true. He told them so that they wouldn’t waterboard him again. He liked the cookies and lamb better than being waterboarded.
Either way, the harsh tactics worked.
It was proven during WWII that the enemy could find out anything they wanted within 45 minutes. When I was in the service, many years ago, they told us to consider what we knew and ask ourselves was it worth keeping your mouth shut because they’ll find out the info anyway.
The opportunity to glean valuable intelligence from the leader of a powerful terrorist organization was lost, says retired Army Col. Stuart Herrington, a military intelligence specialist who interrogated generals under the command of Saddam Hussein and evaluated US detention operations at Guantánamo.
Notably missing is firsthand experience and knowledge of the interrogations in question. What a surprise.
to garjog- I believe Alan Dershowitz said much the same during the Bush years - his family merited any means necessary...not sure if he’s still on that bus though.
LOL, that war room photo is very quickly becoming a cultural icon.
But one cannot discount the fact that he WAS waterboarded. Once the subject breaks, then yes, the info comes out without the need for further extraordinary measures. Perhaps the specific bit of intelligence did not come directly out of a boarding session but you cannot extrapolate that it would have come if the boarding had never been used.
The problem is it was approved and THEN disapproved along with "standing for a long time", sleep deprivation", etc etc
McCain agrees with the new rules...but you know damn well he does it with a wink, wink.
With all due deference to Sen McCain, he is not an impartial observer when it comes to torture for obvious reasons.
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