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San Diego losing another cruise ship
The San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | May 6, 2011 | Lori Weisberg

Posted on 05/07/2011 11:35:22 AM PDT by george76

The Holland America liner, the Oosterdam, which makes regular cruises to the Mexican Riviera, will no longer sail out of San Diego after April 2012.Regular voyages to the Mexican Riviera, long a mainstay of San Diego’s cruise ship business, are likely to end by the fall of 2012 with the decision by Holland America to move one of its key liners to Australia.

The cruise line’s 1,926-passenger Oosterdam and the 2,500-passenger Carnival Spirit are the only two vessels that currently head to the Mexican Riviera on a regular basis, and both are now scheduled to leave San Diego after April of 2012. The Spirit as well will be relocated to Australia.

While the fall 2012-2013 schedules for the cruise lines have yet to be finalized, Port of San Diego official Rita Vandergaw acknowledged that for now it appears that San Diego will no longer have regular cruises to the Riviera.

The redeployment of the Oosterdam, which makes seven-day cruises to Mexico, marks the third ship to leave San Diego waters in the wake of a prolonged economic downturn and rising violence in Mexico. The net effect has been a plunge in cruise ship calls, which are an important component of San Diego’s tourism economy.

(Excerpt) Read more at signonsandiego.com ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Business/Economy; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: cruises; economy; hollandamerica; tourism; tourismeconomy
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1 posted on 05/07/2011 11:35:24 AM PDT by george76
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Idiots in the MSM, listen: It’s the port fees. San Diego and California extortion dollars.


2 posted on 05/07/2011 11:37:41 AM PDT by George from New England (Escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: George from New England

“Idiots in the MSM, listen: It’s the port fees. San Diego and California extortion dollars.”

No doubt a contributing factor along with the damned unions, but also the safety factor of going into Mexico has to have some effect on the decision as well.


3 posted on 05/07/2011 11:42:03 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: George from New England
You don't think that the decrease in the number of people going to Mexico has anything to do with this?
4 posted on 05/07/2011 11:42:56 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.)
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To: George from New England

Yeah the Port fees and the fact that Mexico is not a very healthy place to go on vacation these days.


5 posted on 05/07/2011 11:43:50 AM PDT by Pompah
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To: george76

It’s also the Australian economy - 4.9% versus ours.


6 posted on 05/07/2011 11:48:50 AM PDT by bwc2221
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To: rockinqsranch

Who needs to travel to Mexico when we have the people and the culture it in every U.S. city now?


7 posted on 05/07/2011 11:53:34 AM PDT by Average Al
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which makes regular cruises to the Mexican Riviera...

Mexican Riviera? I can imagine what that is.

Here are one of their casinos.


8 posted on 05/07/2011 11:54:39 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: rockinqsranch

The main one is safety, my nephew goes down there all the time, or did that is, he says it is not safe, he lives in CA and was thinking of buying a retirement home down there.


9 posted on 05/07/2011 11:55:11 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: george76

San Diego triangle.


10 posted on 05/07/2011 11:56:41 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: rockinqsranch
but also the safety factor of going into Mexico has to have some effect on the decision as well.

Absolutely. Cruises were expensive, are expensive and are expected to be expensive. Even if the port fees are $100 per passenger (or $200K per ship) it is still a minor part of the $5,000 that you pay for the cruise. Many people (among those who buy cruises) won't even think twice - it's not a showstopper. They pay 10x more just for airplane tickets to get to the port. It's just money, you can always earn more.

However if upon arrival to a "vacation spot" you can't leave the ship without a personal security detail and in an armored limousine - that's a problem right here. Who wants to be killed or kidnapped on their vacation? If you can't enjoy your vacation it is a showstopper. Mexico is killing its own tourist industry, among others - that's what happens when a weak, corrupt government is played as a fiddle by rich and powerful mafia.

Criminals are not known to care about the country; they will plunder whatever is left of Mexico and then move on, to the newly conquered Northern territories. Instead of marching in as an army, though, they prefer to buy their way in - and we can't do a thing about those "undocumented" "civilians" until it is too late. There is no front in this war, and no uniforms. Politicians will be denying that we are at war until the war is thoroughly lost.

11 posted on 05/07/2011 11:58:25 AM PDT by Greysard
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To: George from New England

If it were the port fees, then why would so many cruise lines continue to sail to the Alaska ports which have by far the highest and most outrageous port fees in the US.

As someone living in CA who has taken several Mexican cruises out of San Diego, I can tell you that I will no longer be taking any cruises to Mexico. One would have to have little regard for one’s life to go anywhere in Mexico these days.


12 posted on 05/07/2011 12:03:44 PM PDT by CdMGuy
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The Mexican tourism folks keep saying that it is not all of the country that is dangerous. “You wouldn’t stay out of Houston if the problem is in New York City, would you?” they say. New York City seems to be safer than all of Mexico. So, yeah, I’d go to NYC.


13 posted on 05/07/2011 12:05:03 PM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a U.S. Marine.)
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To: george76

My brother and his wife have been to Acapulco and other resorts and they love it. Me? I would rather have a root canal than go anywhere near Mexico.

Now, if someone will only donate some cash to my cruise fund, I would do a Mediterranean cruise again.


14 posted on 05/07/2011 12:06:18 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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Would that include Tunisia and Egypt right now?


15 posted on 05/07/2011 12:10:41 PM PDT by rod1
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To: george76

Not a problem as long as the price of drugs in the US stays low. Blow a little weed and that $4 a gallon gas isn’t a big problem.


16 posted on 05/07/2011 12:11:16 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: rod1

LOL

My first and only Mediterranian cruise was from Istanbul to Barcelona, with stops in Greece, Italy, Monaco and Monte Carlo. The cruise pre-dated 9/11, and Turkey wasn’t all that bad back then. People were excited to see us Americans (and our money) and were very good to us. I believe now the cruise only goes as far as Greece. There might also be some stops in former Communist countries like Hungary now as well.

Anyway, I highly recommend a Mediterranean cruise, if you have the bucks. It’s a great adventure.


17 posted on 05/07/2011 12:16:49 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: fatnotlazy

The East coast of Mexico isn’t bad at all. Cancun is so Americanized now, it’s like going to Key West.


18 posted on 05/07/2011 12:26:50 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: fatnotlazy
Me? I would rather have a root canal than go anywhere near Mexico.

Oddly enough it's where I went for a root canal...

19 posted on 05/07/2011 12:33:36 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 835 of our national holiday from reality. - It's 3 AM, time to arrest Obama)
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"The East coast of Mexico isn’t bad at all. Cancun is so Americanized now, it’s like going to Key West."

From Miami, we've sailed to Cancun then to Cozumel for the last two years, and plan to again in a few weeks. It's perfectly safe, especially Cozumel. We have had dozens and dozens of friends do the same the last 6-months, and none experienced any issues whatsoever.

Two years ago, we sailed south to Tortola first, then over to the Caymans and then onto MX. I thought it was much dicier in parts of the Caribbean than it is in the Gulf-side of Mexico.

However, I literally wouldn't go to Acapulco or some of the other western destinations if the trip was free.

20 posted on 05/07/2011 12:46:17 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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