Posted on 05/10/2011 4:00:00 AM PDT by Scythian
as you earlier posted...'deviously' ["devil"ishly] orchestrated to play on mans nature...IMHO...
That's an excellent quote. I really need to read his book The Road to Serfdom.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
This tendency, across the political spectrum, is what makes me think we're a lot closer to the Crash then most people realize. For a variety of reasons, people choose to see things from a certain point of view, and even treat the exercise of imagination as a betrayal of their own values.
So let's imagine. If democracy is failing, then what does that mean? Nations have failed before. Freedom been restored or created from those freeing themselves from bondage. It seems we're in the latter stages of a Cloward Piven collision course with utter collapse right now. If it's too late to change course, then what should we be doing?
Individual efforts? Collective efforts? Interim goals? Final objectives?
I have friends in and around the military that are rather depressed about the way things are heading. I'll tell you what I tell them. It's hard to spend your whole life fighting for something that's in the process of self-destructing. But if it is lost, it is lost. That doesn't mean history stops, life stops, or the potential to raise something better in the ashes stops.
I can't help but think that people like, say, Glenn Beck, who are despondent and emotionally broken by grief for the old republic, aren't helping as much as if they could stay upbeat and focused on solutions.
They are all evil doers.
LLS
“... to choose one’s government is not necessarily to secure freedom...”
That’s the significant statement
I think it's self-evident that despondency and pining for the past work against being upbeat!
I don't think there is a snowball's chance in hell of agreement as to what the problem is (with government and the structures it provides), or problems are, other than from a symptomatic standpoint; and given that, I don't see a snowball's chance of finding ballot-box agreement on social solutions.
The establishment players, and Beck is one, as is Limbaugh, will always work as though the framework of the constitution provides an honest, working form of government, going forward. In other words, they aren't talking about the illegitimacy or collapse of the government.
The public will tolerate any form of government, as long as it is fed, warm, and entertained. The appearance of having control over the government is a sufficient substitute for having control. Give the public a symbolic vote, and let them use energy in public argument even though the outcome is already decided. I think the constitution is long ago dead; our government is a corrupt and lost set of institutions; and the public would reject the independence that accompanies "less government," if "less government" was on the ballot.
I find this to be a great time to be alive, with the modern tools of communication and awareness. Independence, like happiness, is a state of mind -- an attitude.
This is extremely insightful. Yes, indeed! The entire premise of Rush's program is that government is still honest and sound. It isn't.
Hm?...Perhaps that is why the conservative media, in general, has ignored Obama's eligibility. For them to admit that **all** of congress, **every** secretary of state and attorney general, ** all** of our highest military, and our **every** court so far has failed to act on an illegitimate usurper in the White House would mean that they would force them to admit that our government is utterly corrupt!
With DC insiders saying, "there is no debt problem and everything is fine except Republicans and businesses", America as the founders envisioned it, has truly ended.
We are at step 8.
Mat 6:27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?
Mat 6:28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:
Mat 6:29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
Mat 6:30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?
Mat 6:31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
Mat 6:32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Mat 6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
As numerous other posters have pointed out, the author failed Civics 101 in regard to our form of government — assuming, that is, that our socialistic public schools even bother to teach it.
For many of them, probably most, the answer is ignorance, and laziness in research. For others, simple stupidity. A small minority has an actual doubt or belief that Obama is constitutionally ineligible - and of that group, some are resigned to accept tangential precedent (i.e., Wong Kim Ark) as controlling; and another group thinks that the "natural born" requirement is a quaint anachronism that has no place today.
The level of education and curiosity of the modern public is such that superficial analysis is sufficient.
People need some amount of conflict. If conflict didn't exist, it would be created. I see the political battles between the GOP and DEM sets of elite rulers as a contrived conflict, with various purposes. One is keeping the public on a mind that it (the public) can regulate the power of government via public action, the vote. Without the contrived tension, the public would revolt against the government - with the political tension, each member of the public can rail against a political opponent, and sometimes even "win". All the while, the government grows in power.
For most routine social needs (crime, contract enforcement, family law), the institutions of government actually work. But when it comes to the fundamental levers of power (the value of money; the right to conduct business; wealth transfer; the right of the people to be armed as well as the government is), the institutions of government work against personal responsibility and personal independence - and in favor of the elite rulers.
i sincerely believe that the priciples of FReedom, that a few old dead white guys envisioned, was another God inspired gift in the history of men and nations...
Constitution day +1 it started to deteriorate, because the heart of men is inherantly selfish and the need to 'get mine' at the cost of others, including their children, has always been the root cause of our collective sufferings and failures...
most wont agree, but then again, I dont really care, as i said before, i dont put my trust or ultimate happiness in men...
and again, for all the hungry, hungry hippos on both sides of the aisle, beware the lines you cross and who has the true power on the other side...
It was the only time in the history of the world that a government was formed with the people superior over their worldly government.
Franklin knew the structure would require continuous maintenance, or else the government would invert the paradigm - "A republic ma'am, IF you can keep it."
I honestly believe the majority of the public would reject "less government," on account of the increase in personal risk that is thought to result. A minority of the public sees family and community as the last resort.
The founders wouldn't recognize the country; and if you or I could visit 50 years in the future, we wouldn't recognize it either.
No worries. Like you, I don't put any faith in men; and my happiness does not depend on the fate of the US, or the world.
“...I’ll stand with you and fight for America... I ain’t going anywhere and I dang sure will not quit as long as I am breathing...”
This is our country. Our nation. OUR land. The blood of our ancestors stains its soil - people who pledged their “lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor” to bring it into being and preserve it for posterity.
They dang sure didn’t quit either.
The oldest gentleman Citizen at Lexington-COncord was Sam Whitemore. He was 77 years old. He was bayonetted AND shot several times, and STILL went on to live another 16 or so years after the battle. He knew what was at stake way back then, and did not hesitate. He dang sure didn’t quit either.
We are the scions of generations of brave American men and women who BELIEVED in something better, something good and decent - and who handed it to us to preserve.
We are NOT a nation of cowards and honorless slugs. There are those amongst us who are, to be sure, and we know them by their deeds and actions. ANd yes there is a large segment of society that is selfish and demands that we support their uselessness - but there has ALWAYS been that segment of society everywhere. We are no different in that respect, from the rest of history.
And there are those who actively SEEK power and lust after authority. The corrupt of heart and mind. It’s human. We elect them out of ignorance.
They don’t seem to understand that they ONLY power they have is that which WE let them have, temporarily - either through the voting process, or because of our patience and tolerance and hesitation (so far) to actively enforce a certain phrase set forth in the Declaration of Independence.
We can’t leep electing trash and expect the results to be anything less than debris-strewn sewage.
Gilbo was entirely correct in post 39; we ARE in dangerous times, and most probably heading for the “Reset” button. Dangerous times DEMAND that we look to the actions of our ancestors and see how they dealt with their own dangerous times, and then each of us must decide what we will or will not do in defense of all that we love and hold dear.
The choice you make will determine where you stand. And stand, we must. Or surrender to the scoundrels and see all that was built and accomplished be erased.
That’s pretty much the choice we have. There’s a dragon staring at us, and we either turn and run from it, or we stop, turn, drive the butt of the lance into the ground and say “Here, by God, not one step back” and spit in his face.
Yeah, it’s frightening as hell to stare down the Dragon. Leviathan always counts on fear and terror. All things evil count on that. Terror affects all people differently. It’s how you control and focus that fear, and USE it, is what counts.
But dragons bleed. And if it bleeds, it can die. The dragon’s greatest weapon is that he makes you believe he is invincible. But he isn’t - to quote another good FReeper - he “STILL has a soft, squishy, pink center”.
If we are to call ourselves Free Men, and be worthy of the title of American, we must believe and act the part - in spite of whatever the enemy on the left (and amongst us) does.
We’re sufficient for whatever day God sets before us. But we have to BELIEVE it first. Most of us were raised to believe that. It’s time to remember those lessons.
We’re Americans, and NOBODY can ever take that away from us - only WE choose whether or not to give that up. And that ain’t going to happen.
It’s about attitude. God gave you a middle finger for good reason - and that reason is to USE it to peacefully but firmly answer the enemy any and every time.
Failing that and given violent actions on the enemy’s part, God gave you an Index finger too; and John Moses Browning gave you the means to put that finger to use as well.
“..let’s dig a hole, crawl in and die. Whimpering like a whipped dog is much less trouble than standing tall...”
“Whimpering” is not a word any AMERICAN should ever recognize.
i love the smell of Halerant in the morning...8^}
He's here in this day and age with a few small changes.
Now he has a sign that says “Don't touch my SS and medicare”. He's paid in all those years and dang it, it's being paid back even if his grandson has to work three jobs to pay for it. But you know what? His grandson is onto the scam so he lives with Mommy and daddy, works under the table and gets medicaid for being poor.
So where is grandpa's entitlements coming from anyway? The Federal Reserve uncle Ben Bernanke. God bless America.
:) I couldnt help it. It fits with the current events.
sadly, i agree...if i dont laugh at it a bit, Id get worn out at even holdin out hope that we will at least be called to do *something* to help our kids in this temporal state of being...
as Hale says...if God so chooses to use us, we are sufficient for the day...
Because this country was never meant to be a “Democracy?”
Because the original intent limited the vote to land owners?
The idea that a tax eaters vote counts as much as a taxpayer’s vote is something that will, sooner rather than later, destroy this country.
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