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The dead infant and the birth-certificate mystery
WorldNetDaily ^ | May 17, 2011 | Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 05/17/2011 7:27:18 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike

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To: AlexW

I included you because the other guy was replying to you. I didn’t mean that you were advocating kowtowing to the MSM.

IMO if this gets big enough and out there enough even the disgusting slime MSM will have to cover it.


101 posted on 05/17/2011 11:18:32 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: butterdezillion

One other thing the WND piece failed to mention which would give a little more credence for their using the Sunahara BC. The Registrar on the Obama longform is different than the one on the Nordykes, though they were supposedly born at the same hospital - Kapi’olani. The Registrar on the Obama longform is the same Registrar that signed the Coats BC. Coats was born at Wahiawa General Hospital, the same hospital where Sunahara was born


102 posted on 05/17/2011 11:23:34 PM PDT by TheCipher
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To: FreeAtlanta

“I agree, but I still don’t see a stranger questioning any women of the loss of something so precious. Be it a year or 70 years, it is heartless.

I would never do it and I have low regard to anyone who would.”

My son died when he was only eight days old. It has been twenty years for me. And I would be ENRAGED that ANYONE would use my sons death to justify a crime. It might sound good to not want to “leave the poor mother alone”, but if she is any kind of mother, she is MAD.

OR she was paid off, or a Dem, or both.

Would YOU like it if someone USED YOUR CHILDS death to lie to the American people?


103 posted on 05/17/2011 11:24:00 PM PDT by TruthConquers (.Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: TruthConquers

MAYBE...the mother didn’t know about it?


104 posted on 05/17/2011 11:25:21 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: Brown Deer

“What sort of low lifes would put down fellow FReepers who have taken risks for the good of our country?”

Around here we call them “Birthers”.


105 posted on 05/17/2011 11:29:04 PM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: Fred Nerks

It sounds like they tried to contact her about the certificate recently.

She may not have known about it before, but after the contact she would know about it now.

As least, that is how I read it.


106 posted on 05/17/2011 11:29:22 PM PDT by TruthConquers (.Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: All

HELLO EVERYONE !!!

Just calm down and go read the P&E article & mine. The problem is that WND & Corsi didn’t even fricken ask us or really READ our stuff closely.

The Researcher (Interrogator)was very respectful when she met the Sunahara family. She treated the occasion carefully, and with appropriate respect. We have pursued this cautiously and though the proper and legal channels, but to no avail.

We would NEVER have done some of the things that people have suggested we try - even though it was fifty years ago, it WAS a family tragedy, and we felt that, and respected it.

The only reason that we released the research is because it had begun being leaked - and was fixing to turn into a damn with hunt. We wanted that to stop.

The only way to stop it was with the simple, sad truth.

She is not “anonymous” (Researcher), I know her, as do many. She adopted this nic for this “job” because she has a family to consider.

We have ABSOLUTE proof of the encounter with the family. We choose to respect them. There is your story.


107 posted on 05/17/2011 11:30:22 PM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: Fred Nerks

If I understand this correctly.....the dead baby’s BC # is alleged to have the same # that Barack Obama has...is that correct?

so all that needs to happen is to get the BC of this child....and check the # ?

Of course that may be more difficult than it seems if the mother doesnt want to cooperate.


108 posted on 05/17/2011 11:33:54 PM PDT by woofie
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To: Nailbiter

bfl


109 posted on 05/17/2011 11:34:15 PM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: TruthConquers
IF it was me, and I have buried a baby who died at eight days old, I would be FURIOUS that my childs death was used this way.

Agreed.

110 posted on 05/17/2011 11:34:40 PM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: Deaf Smith

Maybe Trump dropped out BECAUSE of what his experts found out?..and might be more than just a phoney birth certificate.


111 posted on 05/17/2011 11:36:23 PM PDT by caww
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To: Ladysforest

Can you provide links to the articles?

Thanks


112 posted on 05/17/2011 11:37:02 PM PDT by woofie
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To: woofie; butterdezillion
...Of course that may be more difficult than it seems if the mother doesnt want to cooperate.

Under the circumstances, would you? Butterzillion has it right IMO. Nothing less than a forensic investigation of the HDOH logs will suffice.

113 posted on 05/17/2011 11:37:46 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: Ladysforest; butterdezillion

Thanks for providing this information.

You and butterdezillion have provided through your blogs and posts on FR very convincing information.

Again, Thank You


114 posted on 05/17/2011 11:39:59 PM PDT by Diver Dave
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To: woofie

http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2011/05/15/attention-whores-moles-and-morethe-thief

http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/05/13/research-summary-on-hawaii-birth-certificate-number-151-1961-010641

BTW, The Interrogator/Researcher did ask the mother if she happened to have the birth or death certificate.


115 posted on 05/17/2011 11:40:19 PM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: butterdezillion

Another biggie might be what happened to the records in 2006. I think it was on the other post tonight where it talks about the death records going digital in 2006 or after and Virginia somehow disappeared from the record. Maybe it the VA records. Anyway, wasn’t it 2006 when the factcheck bc was stamped? Coincidence?


116 posted on 05/17/2011 11:40:33 PM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: Ladysforest

Thanks a bunch


117 posted on 05/17/2011 11:42:34 PM PDT by woofie
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To: woofie

Yup!


118 posted on 05/17/2011 11:44:33 PM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: Fred Nerks

I thought the stuff you put up from Bill Ayers is very important

It made my hair stand on end..... and I have no doubt that is how he thinks


119 posted on 05/17/2011 11:44:39 PM PDT by woofie
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To: Hotlanta Mike
WND contacted Virginia’s mother Clara, 83, who is living in Wahiawa on Oahu. Clara told WND by telephone she did not have Virginia’s birth certificate and she was not interested in applying to the Hawaii Department of Health to see what birth records might be on file regarding her daughter.

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The Obots gotten to the Sunahara family???

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I wish that World Net Daily would have asked the dead girl's 83 year old mother the following questions that bother me. Of course, I would hope that World Net daily would be very gentle with the 83 year old mother when it asked the following questions:

1. What was the name of the hospital where you had your baby? If not Kapiolani, was your daughter ever a patient at Kapiolani in Aug. 1961?

2. Dr. Sinclair: What was the name of the doctor who delivered your baby? Was he the doctor who you visited regularly during your pregnancy, that is, was he your family doctor? Was his name Dr. Sinclair? If not Dr. Sinclair, then what was your family doctor's name?

3. What time was your baby born on Aug. 4, 1961? ( I would like to compare that time to the time that Obama was born, if Dr. Sinclair delivered both babies.)

4. OBAMA'S MOTHER'S SIGNATURE on Obama's long form birth certificate makes me feel very uncomfortable for these reasons:

a. I believe that most us---when we see a space on a document where we are to write our names--- try to make sure that we write small enough to fit our name into the space available.

b. But on Obama's long form birth certificate, it looks like the person who wrote "Ann Dunham Obama" wrote the name too big for the space and, as an afterthought, wrote "Stanley" in parenthesis in the left hand corner of the space. To me, it was bizarre to see "Stanley" written above the main body of the signature, but it was even more bizarre to see "Stanley" in parenthesis.

c. "Stanley" not only looks like an afterthought to me, it looks like it was very clumsily written. And why in the world would Obama's mother put "Stanley" in parentheses? It makes "Stanley" appear as if it is not really part of the name written in the main part of the space.

d. To me, when I see a statement or a word in parenthesis on a piece of paper, I feel that the writer is telling me that what is in parenthesis is not as important as what is written OUTSIDE the parenthesis. (For instance, this sentence is in parenthesis, and even if said that I have concrete evidence that Obama was born in Chicago, the parenthesis around this statement makes it appear as if it is not as important as what is outside the parenthesis.)

5. Some posters suggested that Obama's mother may have gone by her middle name of "Ann" most of her life instead of her first name "Stanley", and that is why she wrote "Stanley" in parenthesis AFTER she had already written "Ann Dunham Obama". and after she realized that she did not leave enough space to write "Stanley".

6. But I saw a picture of Obams'a mother on the internet that she signed for a friend. Obama's mother signed "Stanley."

7. My point is this: It looks to me that Obama's mother often, and maybe all the time, signed her name "Stanley" and not just "Ann."

8. If we could find examples of Obama's signature before and around 1961, we might be able to find out if she always used "Ann" instead of using "Stanley" when she signed papers like high school papers or legal papers like a Social Security application. (Yes, I have seen Obama's mother's Social Security application on the internet, and the signature looks similar to the signature on Obama's long form birth certificate except for the obvious way "Stanley" is given prominence on the Social Security application and it is NOT written in parenthesis.)

9. Again, I wish World Net Daily could ask the little girl's mother if Dr. Sinclair delivered her baby on Aug. 4, 1961; if the little girl or the mother was a patient at Kapiolani Hospital around Aug. 4, 1961, and if the mother remembers the name of her family doctor at the time.

KAPIOLANI HOSPITAL AND ITS OFFICIALS ARE THE 800 LB. GORILLA IN THE ROOM.

120 posted on 05/18/2011 12:28:47 AM PDT by john mirse
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To: Mr. Wright
State-run, Lame Stream Media will do nothing to investigate any of this.
Neither will Congress, whose job it really is.
They'll investigate baseball players using steroids yet won't conduct even the most cursory investigation as to whether or not the sitting POTUS was even eligible to hold his office.

Investigations
Congress has conducted investigations of malfeasance since the 1790s. In 1798 Congress authorized taking testimony under oath and established punishments for perjury. The House empowered its Committee on Manufactures "to send for persons and papers" relating to tariff legislation in 1827, and since then both houses have considered it their right to summon anyone, whether inside or outside the government, to testify. In 1857, Congress provided that reluctant witnesses could be held in contempt and tried by federal courts. Learn more below and on the Senate Historical Office page about Senate investigations.

malfeasance - wrongdoing or misconduct especially by a public official

121 posted on 05/18/2011 2:32:28 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: TheCipher

Good point. As they figure out what BC’s were used to piece together Obama’s BC, that information is critical.


122 posted on 05/18/2011 3:13:53 AM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: Perdogg
I wish people would just move on from this, it just makes 0bama more popular.

I'm not sure where you get that impression. I know it has caused people to question his legitimacy in more ways than one.

While there is a segment of the population who could watch Obama slaughter babies at half time and eat them raw who would think better of him for it, I don't think his increase in popularity with that segment of the electorate is going to affect his overall ratings much.

Either the polls are cooked to try to get the herd to follow the leader, or the 'study groups' are hand picked, at least from what I have seen and heard just talking with people. Admittedly, the subset I speak with is limited. They're from all over, were out of work, and have come here to feed their families.

123 posted on 05/18/2011 3:15:19 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Fred Nerks

I have long suspected that Willliam Ayers is a key player in this charade.


124 posted on 05/18/2011 3:16:18 AM PDT by Josephat
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To: woofie

If it is true that the HDOH created Obama’s longform forgery by piecing together parts of other BC’s they had available, then anything we get from the HDOH should be considered suspect. At this point the only thing we could trust is documents whose computer transaction log checks out as showing no manipulation.

IOW, from here on out the HDOH has to “show their work” so we can see how they came up with any documents they come up with. Unfortunately for us, the only way that’s gonna happen is through subpoenas of the transaction logs - either by a criminal/legal investigation or by discovery in a lawsuit.

This is why state eligibility laws are so critical. We need a way for somebody to have legal standing so they can challenge eligibility and get discovery.

The other option is to find a state AG, for instance, who would conduct a criminal investigation. For that to happen they need to not only realize just how bad the lawlessness at the HDOH is, but also need to know it won’t be the end of their political career if they pursue this.

There are some very real steps that every person can take to help this along - exposing the need for an eligibility bill and the lawlessness at the HDOH.


125 posted on 05/18/2011 3:23:18 AM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: bgill

She was dropped from the VA records because her body was moved from Punchbowl Cemetery to Mililani Cemetery. The HDOH’s 1960-64 birth index still has her name but when they query for her record nothing comes back, unless they’re lying about that.

But they’ve been messing with their 1960-64 birth index too. I’ve got copies of the exact same page from that index (which the HDOH sent me in response to 2 different requests), and one has the date range heading and the other doesn’t. So they’re apparently altering the index or else they have at least 2 different versions of the index.


126 posted on 05/18/2011 3:30:04 AM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: TheCipher
One other thing the WND piece failed to mention which would give a little more credence for their using the Sunahara BC. The Registrar on the Obama longform is different than the one on the Nordykes, though they were supposedly born at the same hospital - Kapi’olani. The Registrar on the Obama longform is the same Registrar that signed the Coats BC. Coats was born at Wahiawa General Hospital, the same hospital where Sunahara was born.

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Yes. It is very curious that the same local registrar, "Lee", signed the Coats and the Obama long form birth certificates even though they were born at different hospitals.

To help relieve my suspicions that something is wrong here, I wish there was some way that an experienced researcher could do the following research: Check some birth certificates at random for August 1961---the month Obama was supposedly born---from Kapiolani Hospital.

"Lee": If "Lee" the local registrar is found on only Obama's long form birth certificate but on no other birth certificates from Kapiolani Hospital for the month of Aug. 1961, then I would say that something is not right with Obama's long form birth certificate.

In this Obama birth certificate case, the directive is not to follow the money, but rather, it is to follow the "Lee" Local Registrar signature on birth certificates originating at Kapiolani Hospital in Aug. 1961, the month Obama claims he was born at Kapiolani Hospital.

NOTE: Three weeks have passed since Obama released his long form birth certificate on April 27, 2011 that listed Kapiolani Hospital as Obama's birth hospital, yet Kapiolani Hospital has remained CONSPICUOUSLY silent, a three week period when many of us thought that Kapiolani Hospital officials would be jumping with joy at the chance to proclaim to the world that Obama was born there as it says on Obama's long form birth certificate.

But there is nothing. Absolutely nothing coming from Kapiolanit Hospital officials, and it doesn't look like we will hear anything from Obama and Kapiolani Hospital officials any time soon. Sad. Very sad.

So, until Kapiolani Hospital officials come out publicly and tell us differently, I will challenge Kapiolani officials and Obama with this statement: I don't believe that there are any records that Obama's mother was a patient at Kapiolani Hospital on Aug. 4, 1961, the day Obama claims that he was born at Kapiolani Hospital, and that is why Kapiolani Hospital officials have been CONSPICUOULSY silent these past three weeks and still counting.

127 posted on 05/18/2011 3:36:33 AM PDT by john mirse
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To: Hotlanta Mike
This should help you and all the dead baby conspirators http://zapatopi.net/afdb/build.html
128 posted on 05/18/2011 3:37:49 AM PDT by Blackirish
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To: Josephat

I think Ayers and Obama have known each other at least since they were in NY. And I believe that Obama was involved in the blinding of that South African athlete at the airport.


129 posted on 05/18/2011 3:38:32 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: caww
Maybe Trump dropped out BECAUSE of what his experts found out?..

Maybe they simply said, "Mr. Trump, we have credible witnesses who will come forward with complaints which will be reported worldwide and be very damaging to you." ... or.... Maybe they said "Mr. Trump, we have the ability to manipulate your bank records and bring charges..."

When you live well, you are not untouchable if those who control the courts and the media bring their guns to bear.

Justified or not, the head of the IMF just got pulled off a plane and charged with a series of felonies which will destroy any reputation he has and guarantee he will not become President of France.

Think about it, and then go watch Emeny of the State (or even Fahrenheit 451 again.

130 posted on 05/18/2011 3:41:43 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

People who have a lot, also have a lot to lose.


131 posted on 05/18/2011 3:45:26 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: William Tell

http://zapatopi.net/afdb/build.html


132 posted on 05/18/2011 3:50:03 AM PDT by Blackirish
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To: Bean Counter

If 0’bs father was a British subject, it doesn’t matter which whore house he was born in or in what country. It’s time for the SCOTUS, CIA, NSA, FBI, etc. to stop aiding and abeting treason and do their job.


133 posted on 05/18/2011 3:51:21 AM PDT by Waco (Nominate Palin or forget 2012 you lost)
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To: john mirse

Wow, you should read Corsi’s book - lots of documentary evidence.


134 posted on 05/18/2011 4:53:28 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: Bean Counter

No one else will touch it. That doesn’t mean the story should die. WND has been steadfast on this despite attacks on its credibility. There is something he’s hiding and it will be uncovered in due time.


135 posted on 05/18/2011 5:03:24 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: Mr. Wright
Trump would of made Obama's evasiveness and lack of records, fictitious nativity story part of the discussion in the election. The media was put on the defensive.

Our side now seems to still let the media and left control the message. Drudge has stopped covering it, Hannity dropped Corsi interview. The Internet seems to be best hope of getting to the truth.

136 posted on 05/18/2011 5:10:23 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: Perdogg

We are the polls to prove that?


137 posted on 05/18/2011 5:14:48 AM PDT by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: Perdogg

Where are the polls to prove that?


138 posted on 05/18/2011 5:15:34 AM PDT by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: Bean Counter

Right - Dan Rather has to present it on CBS, then it will be credible.

HAHAHAHA!


139 posted on 05/18/2011 5:23:01 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Fresh Wind

Haaaahaaaahaaaaaaa........


140 posted on 05/18/2011 5:25:16 AM PDT by MagnoliaB
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To: FreeAtlanta
Well, my 83 year old Mother has been a FR reader/lurker for years and we have both discussed the fact of how fake this 2nd BC is since we both used manual typewriters. She doesn't believe he's eligible and she would be willing to kick some A$$ if someone used her dead child's BC to destroy a nation.
141 posted on 05/18/2011 5:35:52 AM PDT by MagnoliaB
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To: LucyT
"Collecting those birth certificates became a small industry..."

Industry does not operate for free. I wonder who funded this?

142 posted on 05/18/2011 5:55:32 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
Interesting, from another thread

the White House BC appears to be copied from a book, curved left edge. But some typed words are not. Sex is curved, male is not, appears to have been inserted.


143 posted on 05/18/2011 6:01:57 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk

Perhaps the bend in “Kapiolani” matches that of a Nordyke cert — that is the real cert from which it was lifted. This official fraud of an Obama Cert is a real confection. A pastiche.


144 posted on 05/18/2011 6:07:15 AM PDT by bvw
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To: nolongerademocrat

found it:

Barack Obama’s
Close Encounter with the
Weather Underground

Did the presidential candidate and the revolutionary terror group cross paths at a violent 1981 anti-Apartheid protest?

posted: October 27, 2008
http://zombietime.com/obama_and_the_weather_underground/


145 posted on 05/18/2011 6:23:28 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: nolongerademocrat

Key question: What was BO doing on September 26, 1981?


146 posted on 05/18/2011 6:26:22 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: little jeremiah

What sort of person would use the birth certificate number of a baby who died shortly after birth; that is the most important question.


The same type of person who is for partial birth abortions because he doesn’t want the mommy to be punished with a baby.

How about the same person who allegedly had his gay lover Donald Young rubbed out?

How about the same person who allegedly had someone who breached the passport and immigration records rubbed out?

How about the same person who instigated street violence in Kenya after the defeat of Raila Odinga for muslims to kill Christians?

Oh yeah, that guy!!!


147 posted on 05/18/2011 6:26:31 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: pankot

Me too...

I’ve been thinking that since this guy first came on the scene without a clear birth history.


148 posted on 05/18/2011 6:29:59 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: musicman

149 posted on 05/18/2011 6:34:03 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: john mirse

When Jeri Corsi visited Kapiolani Hospital last week and requested some information on SAD they threatened to call the police if he didn’t leave.

The HDOH also told him to go see the governor and they would not respond to any requests for additional information.

Hawaiian officials are now in lockdown for the usurper. In thw words of a famous astronaut “Honolulu - we’ve got a problem!”


150 posted on 05/18/2011 6:40:12 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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