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Ron Paul, Hookers, and Heroin (Is being free to do drugs the essence of American liberty?)
The Daily Beast ^ | 05/18/2011 | Michael Medved

Posted on 05/18/2011 9:12:16 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 05/18/2011 9:12:24 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

No, but drug cartels with more money and arms than God are.


2 posted on 05/18/2011 9:13:26 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islamophobia: The fear of offending Muslims because they are prone to violence.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Freedom of Choice


3 posted on 05/18/2011 9:16:57 AM PDT by ßuddaßudd (7 days - 7 ways a Guero y Guay Lao >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: SeekAndFind

It always pisses off the libertarians here when I equate Ron Paul and Libertarianism. And that you cannot divorce libertarian principles from Ron Paul. And when you think of Ron Paul - you think of libertarians. And when you think of libertarians - you think of Ron Paul smoking crack with hookers.

And on and on...

It pisses ‘em off. But hey. It’s what I do.


4 posted on 05/18/2011 9:17:08 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I'm a Birther - And a Deather)
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To: SeekAndFind

Seek clearly the fact that you posted this makes you a braver man than I!


5 posted on 05/18/2011 9:18:19 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: SeekAndFind
FLAME SUIT ALERT!


6 posted on 05/18/2011 9:20:10 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Libertarians have long been huge fans of heavy drug use going all the way back to the founding of the country. I mean, how else would you come up with a flag with a talking rattlesnake?


7 posted on 05/18/2011 9:21:57 AM PDT by Eyes Unclouded ("The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." -George Carlin)
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To: Responsibility2nd

The freedom to do drugs is different from the choice to do them. Just like Mitt Romney’s freedom to burn the flag is far different from his choice to do so.

That subtlety is often lost on the Romneybots. Romney vs Obama = Obamacare vs Obamacare light...not a choice.


8 posted on 05/18/2011 9:22:22 AM PDT by willyd (your credibility deficit is screwing up my bs meter...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Drugs are bad, but the war on drugs has just ended up being a war on liberty for all.


9 posted on 05/18/2011 9:22:22 AM PDT by rokkitapps
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This is where Libertarian’s get it wrong. We don’t just want liberty for liberty’s sake. The LLibertarian view of it has never really existed in functioning society; complete autonomy from authority.

Liberty as our founding fathers defined it was accountability and responsibility; first each individual’s accountability directly to God, then to ourselves. If you are accountable to God and yourself, then the authority others can wield over you is limited.


10 posted on 05/18/2011 9:23:02 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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Did the Founders ever intend to guard “personal habits” from governmental regulation? If so, then why did prior generations fail to employ Paul’s argument to challenge the long history of strict local, state, and federal supervision of the sale and distribution of alcoholic beverages?

I guess the author doesn't know that until the beginning of the temperance movement that coincided with the Progressive movement in the early 20th century, there were no restrictions. Today's laws are mostly political protection for special interest groups. Here in TN the liquor lobby far outspends any other on buying political favors. Thats why we still cant buy wine in the grocery store.

The federal government has no business legislating morality. So yes, heroin and hookers should be perfectly acceptable federally. If, on the other hand, your city, or perhaps even your state, want to legislate in that arena, feel free to do so.

11 posted on 05/18/2011 9:27:51 AM PDT by jdub (A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.)
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I am not an advocate for legalization - I support existing drug laws on the grounds of prudential judgement.

However, I agree with Mr. Paul that the apparatus necessary to actually achieve enforcement has many bad effects, and, it is possible that I could be convinced that my prudential judgement is wrong and that the laws should be repealed.

12 posted on 05/18/2011 9:28:38 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The Constitution is overthrown. The Revolution is betrayed.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Liberty is not licence.


13 posted on 05/18/2011 9:31:09 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Ron Paul is a capital-L Libertarian—as in the modern Libertarian Party.

Overall, Libertarian Party thought is as far removed from Reagan conservatism as the Green Party is removed from Reagan conservatism.

In fact, the Libertarian Party and Green Party have more in common with each other than either does with Reagan conservatism.

Why do we waste time even entertaining the Paul supporters? Would we waste time debating someone pimping the current Libertarian Party candidate or the Green Party candidate?

The term RINO gets thrown out too much here, but in Ron Paul’s it is accurate. He is a Republican in Name Only, because he is in fact a member of the Libertarian Party masqurading as a Republican.

Instead of tolerating Ron Paul supporters, we should tell them to go find a Libertarian Party forum to post on.


14 posted on 05/18/2011 9:31:36 AM PDT by Brookhaven
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To: SeekAndFind

I have listened to Medved often enough to know he is a socialist that votes Republican. If it neither picks my pocket, or breaks my leg, the govt has no business enforcing laws against it. The reasoning that someone else can do something that costs the society money is true, but that is a problem of too much socialism, not a reason to regulate behavior. We should not be paying for anyones medical, food, housing or treatment as taxpayers. Let people live or die on their own, bury them in Potters field when they pass. I will take care of my own, take care of yours, or have them taken away to be housed and fed by the state directly. THAT I would support. Let’s reopen the nut houses, and the orphanages. You can bet on how many pregnancies by single mothers would drop, if they cannot get govt support for the act.


15 posted on 05/18/2011 9:32:13 AM PDT by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics.)
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I don't consider myself a Libertarian because I don't believe in conspiracy theories and I don't want al Qaeda to win the war. But on this issue at least, I think Ron Paul makes sense. Doing drugs is not the essence of freedom anymore than drinking beer is. The problem is that preventing everyone from doing drugs requires that the Constitution be trashed. How did the DEA gain the power to break into peoples' homes by surprise? How did police agencies on all levels acquire the right to seize property without due process? I would rather have meth users on my street than go on granting governments such powers.
16 posted on 05/18/2011 9:32:52 AM PDT by BlazingArizona
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"The federal government has no business legislating morality. "
I was in a discussion on another thread a while ago....I actually had a freeper tell me that since I do not support the war on drugs, that I was immoral, and with that being the case, had no qualms whatsoever forcing his morality on me through legislation. There are social conservatives. And then there are socialist conservatives.
17 posted on 05/18/2011 9:33:21 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: Turbo Pig

Libertarianism is nothing more that a set of theoretical constructs that has no basis in the reality of human nature.


18 posted on 05/18/2011 9:33:21 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Vice addiction is the Libertarian default position.


19 posted on 05/18/2011 9:33:28 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t like Ron Paul, but talk radio is very boring on the subject of drugs etc. They don’t pay attention to the problems with our policies.


20 posted on 05/18/2011 9:33:51 AM PDT by Politics4US
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