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The speaker in this video (roughly 50 min) is the attorney for the SWAT members involved in the raid and it leads me to more questions than answers.

1. If this guy was a Marine with 2 combat tours then why would he possibly be standing in the hallway with an AR when the cops came knocking if he had hostile intentions? I don't know about anyone else but I seem to recall being "encouraged" to be as small a target as possible by having as much of my body on the ground as possible when encountering or expecting hostile fire.

2. This guy says that the suspect was standing and walked into the hallway. Previous reports have stated that the suspect was crouched at the end of the hall. This seems to be yet another version of the story.

3. I don't know about anyone else's training but I seem to recall having been trained to continue an entry once initiated and continue to clear the area until the threat was eliminated. By not doing so the SWAT was standing outside while an armed suspect may well have been holding others hostage. If they didn't know that anyone other than the suspect was in the house at the time of the raid then they certainly knew once they were notified of the 911 call the wife made.

4. Why the heck would a warrant for items which are perfectly legal to own require a "kinetic entry"? Were they concerned that the suspect would flush an AR? This guy had no record of violence and the warrant doesn't seem to have been in regard to any violent act.

5. The attorney has suggested that the suspect was involved in some kind of "organization" and uses the possibility that the wife called one of the other suspect houses as supporting evidence. I may have misunderstood something but I believe that the attorney also said that this "organization" included family members. Is is really that unreasonable that a stressed out person would call a family member prior to calling 911? In my experience that happens all the time.

6. The attorney asserts that the suspect was involved in "counter surveillance" on one of their unmarked units. That may well have been the case but I'm pretty sure that Guerena wasn't the first person to have taken an interest in a suspicious vehicle in his neighborhood.

7. The attorney asserts that sirens were going off all over the place but neighbors have not corroborated that.

I'm not going to go so far as to say that Guerena isn't dirty but something (many things) in this situation are definitely dirty and I'm paying a lot of attention to this because it seems to be a road map for how an overbearing "law enforcement" action is going to be played out.

1 posted on 05/19/2011 1:59:55 PM PDT by Tucsonican
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To: Tucsonican
The fact that the SWAT officers have retained an attorney tells you everything you need to know.

They believe they are in legal jeopardy. They, AT LEAST, screwed up and killed a man in his own home.

I'd sure like to see the Search Warrant and supporting affidavits.

2 posted on 05/19/2011 2:06:56 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Tucsonican
3. I don't know about anyone else's training but I seem to recall having been trained to continue an entry once initiated and continue to clear the area until the threat was eliminated. By not doing so the SWAT was standing outside while an armed suspect may well have been holding others hostage. If they didn't know that anyone other than the suspect was in the house at the time of the raid then they certainly knew once they were notified of the 911 call the wife made.

One of the earliest reports was that the wife looked out a window and saw at least one of these folks looking in. That is why she awoke/alerted her husband to them. Now, with that said, if the SWAT member was looking in, then he full well knew that someone other than the targeted male was in the house, and should have relayed that information to the team at the front door. IMHO, this belies the statement by the team that they did not know anyone else was in the house.

5 posted on 05/19/2011 2:15:08 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmitt in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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Just give them a bit more time to slap a couple more coats of white wash on this baby and ‘Ratherize’ the documentation and you will find out that the guy they killed would make OBL look like a commom shoplifter.


6 posted on 05/19/2011 2:16:54 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Tucsonican
Barbara Grijalva is live

Wish Gurena (sp?) was that lucky.

8 posted on 05/19/2011 2:20:19 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Tucsonican

I will say he wasn’t dirty. At least while he was alive.What the sobs planted on him after they murdered him, I can’t say, but, while he was alive, he was clean.


9 posted on 05/19/2011 2:23:39 PM PDT by sport
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To: Tucsonican
So what was found at the home during the search? The judge assigned to the case has sealed the search warrant returns, preventing the public from knowing.

"Everything they think they're gonna find in there, they find," Storie said.

Handguns, assault rifles, part of a law enforcement uniform and body armor were found, he said. Along with a portrait of Jesús Malverde, the patron saint of drug running. The portrait was found under the suspect's bed face up, Storie said.

Storie believes that Guerena and/or the group he was allegedly working with used the law enforcement uniforms to invade other homes.

Interesting. Why didn't they say this from the beginning?

10 posted on 05/19/2011 2:34:54 PM PDT by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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To: Tucsonican

The police are in Fraternal silence mode.


11 posted on 05/19/2011 2:38:15 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Tucsonican

Jose Guerena, 26, former Marine

Here is the man's grieving wife, Vanessa Guerena. They have two sons, ages 4 and 5.

14 posted on 05/19/2011 2:45:21 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: Tucsonican

18 posted on 05/19/2011 2:49:13 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists". (Die Ritter der Kokosnuss))
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To: Tucsonican

Here is a link to a house that is very similar to the one owned by the Guerena’s.

http://www.movoto.com/az/7174-s-redwater-tucson/472_21112592.htm


25 posted on 05/19/2011 3:21:52 PM PDT by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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Here’s a better example of the house involved in this.

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/7150-S-Redwater-Dr-Tucson-AZ-85757/67134695_zpid/


27 posted on 05/19/2011 3:24:13 PM PDT by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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To: Tucsonican
murder by badge...
31 posted on 05/19/2011 3:32:26 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Tucsonican

Lawyer said that the officers had no choice but to shoot because the homeowner pointed a gun at them. And he had to know they were police because of their uniforms and they said they were police. Shoot 70 times and then ask questions later.


33 posted on 05/19/2011 3:40:52 PM PDT by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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To: Tucsonican

Why would any person with any survival instinct decide he could fire on 5 armed men, all pointing their assault weapons at at him, and live?


39 posted on 05/19/2011 3:55:08 PM PDT by Havisham
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To: Tucsonican
I would be interested in seeing the weapon the victim allegedly had. If he was hit 60 times, that weapon HAD to be hit.

If there is no damage to that weapon, it was taken from where ever he kept it and planted near his body.

43 posted on 05/19/2011 4:35:39 PM PDT by PalmettoMason (Blacks are not inferior, but it is racist to hold them to the same standards as everyone else.)
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To: Tucsonican

Obammy and his leftist “hate” consultants for Homeland Security named returning Vets from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars as domestic terrorists.

Maybe it is that “hate group” - the US Marines - that the victim belonged to which made the police jacked up to kill him.


44 posted on 05/19/2011 4:41:56 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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