Skip to comments.[Vanity] I want to like Herman Cain, really.
Posted on 05/20/2011 9:04:00 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile
I have seen a couple of posts on here regarding Herman Cain, and heard him on Neal Boortz' show lots of times. Boortz really seems to love the guy. And I am inclined to like anyone who is pro-Fair-Tax more than someone who is for continuing the current income tax mess, which costs America far more productivity than any sales tax that replaced it ever could.
But I haven't heard Cain talk about some controversial areas where I may well have concerns about his views on the Constitution. And where I have heard him talk on the issues, he's sometimes said troubling things.
First, while he's talked about race, he has not once stated outright that he would end affirmative action policies where he could. He's danced like a Romney on this where I have seen him speak or write about it, like he did here: http://www.boortz.com/Player/100950001/ http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/2004/04/28/op_413767.shtml
A candidate's position on affirmative action must be unequivocable, "I'm against it." No "we need to be fair" or "considering race might be okay" or any of that crap. It's unconstitutional, racist, sexist and wrong. Why hasn't Cain said this?
Second, I don't know why Cain's dancing on foreign policy. If he doesn't have a plan for Afghanistan, fine. Who really is sure what to do about Afghanistan? But what would his overarching sense of the United States' military role be? That we must patrol the Red Sea and Persian Gulf, militarily stop Iran from getting the bomb, intervene preemptively--or not? That we should be stationing troops in Yugoslavia and Korea and Diego Garcia--or not? During the debate he wanted to "set up a committee" or study stuff, but that is not how to run your military or state department. I didn't agree with W on everything, but after the China spy plane mess, W got it together and had a plan when it came to foreign intervention: "Have a strong military and use it, or make it clear you can and will." Clear policy from the White House, unlike the constant finger in the wind of President Pollbama's administration, is crucial for our businesses and citizens because it makes clear to us and our opponents as to what we will do to protect our countrymen and interests abroad. Pick a course now, because it makes a difference to some of us, Herman.
Third, Cain was pro-TARP back in the day. What made TARP Constitutional? Why was he against auditing the Fed and then for it? Amd where does he come up with this stuff about TARP being a net payoff for taxpayers? See here:
He comes across as a real bankster. I don't like that.
Fourth, what's Cain really think we should do about illegal immigration? I get the impression he wants to leave deporting these illegals to the states, and this is one area where the federal government SHOULD be involved. Building a border fence and deporting illegals are two things states shouldn't have to do.
Fifth, is he a federalist and constitutionalist, or really just a unitary goverment social conservative? Where does he stand on Gonzales v. Reich? What about the Commerce Clause and where it stops?
Sixth, how does any conservative support income redistributionism? He's come right out and said he's for the food stamp program. How does that jive with being a conservative?
Finally, and this is what perplexes me the most, no one has asked him why he supported a labor lawyer Democrat over a Republican for mayor of Omaha way back when he lived in Nebraska. Now, I don't know the whole story. Maybe Hal Daub (the GOP candidate) was a real RINO back then. But I doubt it from his record, and I don't know anyone conservative who would vote for a Democrat even over the worst Republican. Even the folks like me who couldn't stomach a vote for McCain didn't do something as stupid as voting for Obama.
The country is dying, and your #1 issue listed is “affirmative action”? Are you serious?
He’s come right out and said he’s for the food stamp program. How does that jive with being a conservative?
Because there are people who actually need food stamps at one time or another.
Cain would not be “The Food Stamp president” as someone recently called 0bama.
I think you raise fair questions, which should be answered during debates and the primary vetting process.
I’m excited about him because I pretty much agree with what he has espoused so far. However, I fully expect that people will dig further into his positions and air them all for the world to see.
Should be an interesting year!
Really stretching there? It could be worse, he could be TrumpPaulRomneyNewtJohnson. Instead, he is... gosh, only 98% Conservative and he hasn’t answered some questions the way you want.. and another person ignoring he was strongly against TARP when it was launched. A lot of people and sites are twisting his one statement about one part of TARP made back when everyone was debating what to do.
I like him and I am going to vote for him. We must STOP “winner take all0” all primaries or this socialist from Massachusetts is going to do what McAmnesty did to our party. Every candidate should get their percentage of the delegates earned. Don’t let these liberals steal our party again. We will not vote for SOCIALISM!! Get these Globalists communists out of our party.
“The country is dying, and your #1 issue listed is affirmative action? Are you serious?”
The country is dying, and the #1 issue you have with my post is the order of my questions? Are you serious?
“Because there are people who actually need food stamps at one time or another.”
I need a car. Can I have the government tax you to pay for car stamps?
HE WILL BE ANNOUNCING TOMORROW AT 12 IN ATLANTA...THEN THE ‘GAMES’ BEGIN AND YOU WILL ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW AND THEM SOME
Right on. Too many conservatives will vote against an otherwise solid conservative candidate because they disagree on one issue. It’s arrogant and not too smart.
Good news! Cain will weed out more RINO’s than anyone else.
What gets me is they keep repeating that TARP thing, ignoring how vocal he was against it. The article they posted mentions TARP no where in there, only one small aspect of what became part of TARP. It is almost like it is a talking point coming from somewhere.
It is almost like it is a talking point coming from somewhere.
You’re right. It’s kind of Troll’ish. Rush calls them Seminar Callers.
Also you can scroll down to 8:55 To ZOGBY POLL STUNNER..and the first or second post is a thumbnail autobiography of Mr. Cain
I can see how resoundingly you addressed the issues I raised there. I’ve completely changed my mind, he’s 100% conservative because you say so. Let me go get a rug so I can pray facing Cain.
Look, George Soros is a money-making businessman. Barack Obama is black. Bill Clinton was from the South. Al Sharpton gives a good speech. I don’t care about that. want to know the guy I vote for is a principled conservative. You brush off these issues as him “not answering some questions the way [I] want”...but someone with principles beyond “I wanna get elected” COULD and WOULD answer them because they’d have firm beliefs, be able to enunciate them, and be able to educate people who are undecided middle types. If Cain can’t, he’s not going to be a good candidate anyway.
And I forgot to mention Kelo as another SCOTUS opinion where I’d like to hear from candidates. Where do they stand on eminent domain?
“I think you raise fair questions, which should be answered during debates and the primary vetting process...Im excited about him because I pretty much agree with what he has espoused so far. However, I fully expect that people will dig further into his positions and air them all for the world to see...Should be an interesting year!
I hope these questions are answered. Too many candidates get to skate through on the hard issues during the primaries, in my experience. And the ones who don’t address the issues have in my lifetime always turned to big government after their election.
He is a former deputy chairman (199294) and chairman (199596) of the civilian board of directors to the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City.
That explains his reluctance to audit the Fed. If he were to come out and renounce his ties to them, I’d be ok with him.
“HE WILL BE ANNOUNCING TOMORROW AT 12 IN ATLANTA...THEN THE GAMES BEGIN AND YOU WILL ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW AND THEM SOME”
I hope you’re right. But to make one actual personal comment about the guy, he still sounds a little too much like Maya Angelou for me to ever fall entirely in love with him as a candidate. I have a similar problem with Palin’s, Mark Levin’s, and Mike Savage’s accents, because they simply grow irritating after a while to me.
“I like him and I am going to vote for him. We must STOP winner take all0 all primaries or this socialist from Massachusetts is going to do what McAmnesty did to our party. Every candidate should get their percentage of the delegates earned. Dont let these liberals steal our party again. We will not vote for SOCIALISM!! Get these Globalists communists out of our party.”
I agree entirely. I’m just not sure yet Cain fits as a candidate who is a constitutionalist conservative, which is why I’m asking the questions I am.