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Ryan Budget Gets 40 Votes in Senate, Obama Budget Gets 0
The Weekly Standard ^ | May 25, 2011 | JOHN MCCORMACK

Posted on 05/25/2011 4:23:23 PM PDT by mdittmar

That big fat zero is not a typo.

Not a single U.S. senator voted in favor of President Obama's budget proposal. Meanwhile, five members of GOP caucus voted against Ryan budget: moderates Scott Brown (Mass.), Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine, independent Lisa Murkowski (Ak.), and staunch libertarian Rand Paul (Ky.). So all of the swing state Republican senators sided with Ryan.

Apparently, the Senate Democrats think if they don't support anything they can't be demagogued in the same way they're demagoguing Ryan's plan. Harry Reid has dropped the phrasing that Republicans would end Medicare "as we know it," in favor of a less subtle statement on the Senate floor: "The Republican plan would kill Medicare."

Democrats can only duck the issue for so long, right? 

On a related note: 

"I do think that the Republican Party right now hasn't sort of figured out what it's for," Obama said in a White House interview [in 2009] with The Courier-Journal and reporters from five other newspapers. "And so as a proxy, they've just decided 'we're going to be against whatever the other side is for.' That's not what's needed in an economic crisis."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Alaska; US: Arkansas; US: Illinois; US: Kentucky; US: Maine; US: Massachusetts; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: arkansas; brown; budget; collins; congress; illinois; kentucky; maine; massachusetts; murkowski; obama; randpaul; snowe; wisconsin

1 posted on 05/25/2011 4:23:26 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: mdittmar

They should offer up the bill again without medicare reform and this time let the public know that wwhen it does go bust the republicans at least tried to save whereas you now have nothing thanks to the democrats.


2 posted on 05/25/2011 4:26:34 PM PDT by Always Independent
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To: mdittmar

They should lop another 10% off the Ryan budget and pass it again...


3 posted on 05/25/2011 4:26:55 PM PDT by Ingtar (Together we go broke (from a Pookie18 post))
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To: mdittmar
five members of GOP caucus voted against Ryan budget: moderates leftists in elephant's clothing Scott Brown (Mass.), Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine, independent Lisa Murkowski (Ak.), and staunch moonbat libertarian Rand Paul (Ky.).
4 posted on 05/25/2011 4:27:33 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Always Independent
They should offer up the bill again without medicare reform and this time let the public know that wwhen it does go bust the republicans at least tried to save whereas you now have nothing thanks to the democrats.

Bush did that already. the problem is that the MSM are the ones who write history and they will not report it that way.

5 posted on 05/25/2011 4:30:46 PM PDT by oldbrowser (Blaming the prince of fools shouldn't blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that elected him)
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To: mdittmar
I do not believe that the American electorate will choose a Congress that will fix our financial problems.

The end is very clear.

I admire Ryan for trying, he's very honorable and very brave, but the looters are going to win in the end.

Until the end.

6 posted on 05/25/2011 4:30:46 PM PDT by Jim Noble (The Constitution is overthrown. The Revolution is betrayed.)
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To: Jim Noble
I admire Ryan for trying, he's very honorable and very brave, but the looters are going to win in the end.

Congress should ban all firearms and any attempt at self defense ASAP.

7 posted on 05/25/2011 4:38:01 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: mdittmar

Democrats - the Party of No. The Do Nothing Party.


8 posted on 05/25/2011 4:40:48 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Josh Ferrin for President - he is my new hero.)
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To: Jim Noble
...but the looters are going to win in the end.

I can get the rails and the feathers if someone else can supply the tar.
9 posted on 05/25/2011 4:41:48 PM PDT by wolfpat (Not to know what has been transacted in former times is to be always a child. -- Cicero)
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To: mdittmar

“They should offer up the bill again without medicare reform...”

Maybe, but not sure that would be doing the right thing. In 10 years social security, medicare and the interest on the debt will consume the entire Federal budget. 10 years seems like a long time, but in terms of being able to reform the system and leave time for everyone adjust to it, it would seem that the hour is growing late.

I think we should get Paul Ryan out there, have him explain his plan and then provide a lovely contrast between his plan and what the Democrats had in mind to do to seniors with ObamaCare. You know they ripped the program off to the tune of $500B, as if it weren’t already broke, and planned to ration care and let nature take its course to reduce the amount of potential recipients and the length of time benefits are paid for each. The general public wouldn’t necessarily know what they were getting until they get there - and someone should tell them.


10 posted on 05/25/2011 4:43:22 PM PDT by dajeeps
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To: Jim Noble

That is becoming super clear. It’s all my me mine.

We are screwed.


11 posted on 05/25/2011 4:49:01 PM PDT by onona (Fullly aware that I may be totally)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

Thanks mdittmar.
Not a single U.S. senator voted in favor of President Obama's budget proposal.
And that's the real story of the day, not the 40 votes for the Ryan budget plan. Try to guess how this will be covered by the partisan media shills on such trashy tabloid programs as Good Morning America, Today, the View...


12 posted on 05/25/2011 4:54:05 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: dajeeps

Great idea! Email FOX News, Hannity maybe, to see if they will bite.


13 posted on 05/25/2011 5:02:56 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( No more Bushs!)
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To: SunkenCiv

It’s time to call the RATS what they are; Nazis. They tell us what to eat,how much we can make at work, what to smoke, what to drink, now what to drive. On top of all that, the stake through freedoms heart, when we can live.

A death panel is no different then the nazis putting jews in cattle cars and shipping them of to the camps. Now it is grandma or anyone with an illness that will change the quality of life.

First seniors, then white males, then kids with mental disorders. The sda thing about this, it is true.

Our 2012 campaign slogan should be a swastika with the Democrat D in the middle, all the nazi things the rats did with the slogan, “we’ll tell you when you can hope for change”

The rats opened the door with that mediscare ad. Time to break the door down.

Also great commercials with the unions marching and screaming like nice little brownshirts.


14 posted on 05/25/2011 5:03:12 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Who is John Galt)
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To: PapaNew

So I guess you’re a “moonbat libertarian” if you’re opposed to running deficits for the next 20 years?


15 posted on 05/25/2011 5:10:05 PM PDT by Brett11
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To: mdittmar

And of course for Rand Paul and his Dad, it isn’t enough.


16 posted on 05/25/2011 5:13:48 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Brett11
Cutting insane government spending is THE issue and MUST be reversed NOW. Balancing the budget is not the first order of business especially because doing so at this point in time would be on the backs of the American people. Taxes need to be CUT and government spending CUT even more. This only the first needed step.

What's your answer, stay with Obama's economic highway to hell? The only other game in town is Ryan's budget and it looks like a good start. Sometimes Ron Paul doesn't seem to be in realityland

17 posted on 05/25/2011 5:24:05 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: truth_seeker

It really shouldn’t be enough for any conservative. It’s not acceptable to have unbalanced budgets until 2030. We’ll have a fiscal crises long before then. Rather than being extreme, Paul Ryan’s budget is simply way too timid. I don’t think I could vote for a budget that runs deficits for the next 20 years.


18 posted on 05/25/2011 5:24:46 PM PDT by Brett11
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To: mdittmar

After all this and four years of more insanity. Ron Paul is the only one that seems coherent to me.


19 posted on 05/25/2011 5:25:22 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: PapaNew

The real answer should be to balance the budget right now. That could happen if Congress simply refused to raise the debt ceiling.


20 posted on 05/25/2011 5:26:15 PM PDT by Brett11
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To: PapaNew

Thanks, fixed it for us! :’)


21 posted on 05/25/2011 5:35:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: Brett11
No. The issue isn't just "balancing the budget" but balancing a RESPONSIBLE and SENSIBLE budget. Because of government spending, the current "budget" is insane.

"Balancing the budget" at this point would require tax increases that would buckle our economy and send us into an economic death-spiraling flameout. You must go after the problem and the problem is GOVERNMENT SPENDING. If you want a healthy economy, CUT TAXES and CUT government spending even more.

Government created the problem with Bush's bloated government policy. Obama injected that policy with psychotic steroids call "stimulus." Then they want to "balance the budget" by raising taxes. Nobody would have any money, we'd be in a full blown depression, and the Leftists socialist dream will be complete: economic equality for all - everybody is poor except of course the ruling elite.

First cut spending. Then cut taxes. Then cut spending more. THAT's how you recover economically and get to a balanced and RESPONSIBLE, SENSIBLE budget

22 posted on 05/25/2011 5:51:03 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Always Independent

“They should offer up the bill again without medicare reform and this time let the public know that wwhen it does go bust the republicans at least tried to save whereas you now have nothing thanks to the democrats.”

I agree, but it’s not “it” going bust, it’s the entire US government, once the idiot creditors accept the FACT that we will NEVER pay back our debts.

We will have to go broke - of that I’m 100% convinced - there simply is not enough people willing to stand up to the Seniors that want their money whether the US is dead or alive.


23 posted on 05/25/2011 6:02:59 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts))
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To: PapaNew

So does that mean that you support raising the debt ceiling?


24 posted on 05/25/2011 6:18:03 PM PDT by Brett11
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To: mdittmar
Brown, Collins and Snowe are liberals. All three belong in the Democratic Party.

Murkowski is a jackass and Rand Paul follows in his Father's footsteps.

25 posted on 05/25/2011 6:21:00 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Brett11

I think it’s 25. Ryan gets a bit vague in the out years. Going through it detail, my guess is that he assumes people die out of SS and Medicare to the point that the costs come down. In the mean time, he proposes few spending cuts.

This is unlike Rand who has a real budget similar to the Republican study Committee’s.

A lot of Conservatives have been suckered in to supporting Ryan’s Republican budget.


26 posted on 05/25/2011 6:27:08 PM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: PapaNew

Ryan’s budget does not cut after the first year.

There are two other games in town. First is Rand Paul’s budget in the Senate and the second is by the Republican Study Committee in the House.


27 posted on 05/25/2011 6:38:29 PM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: Always Independent

I agree but do block grant medicaid to the States with the intention of eventually ending all federal funding to them programs all together.


28 posted on 05/25/2011 11:01:53 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Monorprise

MY point is that the demons won’t go on the hook all by themselves, they’re nothing but a bunch of gutless chits. The pub need to point this out to the people. BO thriugh BOcare is going to take 500B from medicare and the pubs at least most of them are saying nothing.


29 posted on 05/26/2011 1:09:42 AM PDT by Always Independent
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To: Brett11
So does that mean that you support raising the debt ceiling?

If that's temporarily what it's going to take to get to the results I've mapped out. Sometimes an alcoholic has to go through cold turkey, experiencing more severe symptoms on his way to recovery. Fixing the economy now will almost certainly be similar to the early 80's when Reagan's measures caused the economy to get temporarily worse before it roared back with record-setting 25-year robust health and growth.

30 posted on 05/26/2011 6:28:04 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: MontaniSemperLiberi
Ryan's dealing with a bunch of idiots and a clueless POTUS who won't pass the kind of real radical reform needed. Take it a step at a time like the Leftists have done to us for the past 50+ years. Take what you can get now, get a POTUS with half a brain, and then put the axe to the tree of government spending and taxes.
31 posted on 05/26/2011 6:33:32 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew

In three years the Debt to GDP ratio will be over 90%. Historically economies start to slow as the debt increases exponentially. In six years the debt goes up geometrically. At that time, we go under.

We don’t have 25 years and can’t count on the rate of growth Ryan assumes in his projections.

Ryan’s plan is just enough to let him say “we tried” on the Sunday morning shows.


32 posted on 05/26/2011 3:58:39 PM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: mdittmar
What's needed is a recognition of a few simple principles. First of all, if a state or locality would rather have some amount of cash than some construction project, that's a pretty good sign that the value of the project to the people of the state or locality is less than the cash they'd prefer in its stead. Unless the project has substantial value to people outside the state or locality, spending federal dollars to entice a locality to build it would be a waste of money.

Secondly, some people will invest their money in such a way as to generate wealth; others will spend their money in ways which destroy wealth. The more wealth is in the hands of people who will use it to generate more wealth, the more wealth will be created. Taxing such people will effectively destroy wealth.

Thirdly, any dollar of wealth which is borrowed by the government is a dollar of wealth which is unavailable for private investment. Generally, private investment generates wealth. In many cases, government borrowing is used to fund programs whose only function is to generate further demand.

People need to wake up to the fact that institutionalized covetousness is not virtuous. I wish Christians who might be inclined to vote Democrat could be made to realize that the whole leftist platform is based upon violation of the Tenth Commandment.

33 posted on 05/29/2011 7:18:50 PM PDT by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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