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Sheriff releases video of SWAT shooting into house of ex-Marine
KOLD News 13 Tucson ^ | 5/26/2011 | Michael Truelsen

Posted on 05/26/2011 10:23:23 PM PDT by nparker99

The Pima County Sheriff's Department released a video Thursday that shows a SWAT team shooting into a suspect's house. He died after being shot 60 times.

Jose Guerena, 26, was shot and killed May 5 when Pima County authorities served a search warrant on his home.

The Sheriff's department says five SWAT team members fired more than 70 rounds in less than 10 seconds after the former Marine pointed an assault rifle at officers. His wife contends the family thought the officers were robbers. He was shot 60 times

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: banglist; guerena; marine; pimacounty; swat; tucson; unions
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1 posted on 05/26/2011 10:23:30 PM PDT by nparker99
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To: nparker99

In statements made to detectives after the shooting of Guerena, one deputy stated he opened fire after seeing a man pointing a rifle in his direction. He said he felt his own life and the lives of his teammates were in danger when he opened fire.

He was unsure how many bullets he fired.

Another officer stated he kept shooting “until his weapon ran dry” that is he ran out of bullets. He said he saw a muzzle-flash, and thought one of the officers had been hit, when he opened fire.

The big question still remains unanswered. Who fired the first shot?. Was it Guerena or a SWAT team officer? Did Guerena fire at all?

All of that is still under investigation at this hour. Sheriffs officials have declined to comment. The sheriff says he will release a statement, at a later date when he has more information to share.


2 posted on 05/26/2011 10:32:22 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: nparker99

Either open your door with open arms and have your family attacked by thugs pretending to be cops or get mowed down by cops acting worse than thugs. Great choices.


3 posted on 05/26/2011 10:33:00 PM PDT by douginthearmy
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To: nparker99; Old Flat Toad; MountainWoman; kstewskis

How come Dupnik’s lawyer said they knocked for 45 seconds??? Is anyone telling the truth anymore??? Anywhere in the gubt?


4 posted on 05/26/2011 10:36:32 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: smokingfrog

No, there is no question about who fired the first shot. Mr. Guerena’s rifle had the safety on. And, the SWAT team did not allow medical first responders into the house. Mr. Guerena bled out.


5 posted on 05/26/2011 10:36:32 PM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a U.S. Marine.)
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To: righttackle44

sick and wrong!


6 posted on 05/26/2011 10:39:06 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: smokingfrog
The big question still remains unanswered. Who fired the first shot?.

That's not the big question. The big question is why do we have paramilitary organizations committing urban warfare against our homes? The burden of proof that we have a MAJOR drug dealer/terrorist/known suspect in a high felony such as murder/rape. We must know the ADDRESS. We must have high level of certainty that the perp is there and civilians are few if any. That should be minimum qualifications before even getting a warrant.

7 posted on 05/26/2011 10:44:29 PM PDT by douginthearmy
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To: righttackle44

Arguably, this Marine was not prepared to save himself. He did, however, save his family. These killers need to be hauled in front of a Military tribunal.


8 posted on 05/26/2011 10:47:30 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: Gene Eric

“this Marine was not prepared to save himself.”

What do you mean?


9 posted on 05/26/2011 10:53:11 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: nparker99

Is this the same AZ sheriff that claims that there was no reason for the AZ illegal immigration legislation (also the same one that doesn’t like Arpaio?)


10 posted on 05/26/2011 10:54:03 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: douginthearmy

Yeah, this wasn’t a “THIS IS THE POLICE, WE HAVE YOU SURROUNDED, COME OUT WITH YOUR HANDS UP!” operation.

The brief siren sounds like a car alarm, I heard no loud verbal announcements, and imagine what you’d think, waking up and hearing a pounding at your door, your wife telling you that there are armed strangers outside, followed by a shot (door breaching), the door being kicked in, and masked armed men entering your home.

When they saw him with a firearm, they shot him to pieces.

This is a recipe for executing a perp or murdering a homeowner, strictly depending on if they get the address right and the tip isn’t bogus.

I bet Bin Laden got more of a chance to surrender than this guy got. I’m not saying he’s innocent of the crime that brought the cops to his door, that remains to be seen, but it looks like his only chance to avoid being shot full of holes was to abjectly prostrate himself the second they poorly identified cops started beating on his door, and that goes against everything the Marine Corps teaches you.

It’s disturbing at the very least, and if it turns out they went after an innocent man, it’s an outrage.


11 posted on 05/26/2011 10:59:26 PM PDT by M1911A1
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To: douginthearmy
I really need to see the video, which is not available on the page. That could help answer my questions:

Jose Guerena, 26, was shot and killed May 5 when Pima County authorities served a search warrant on his home. ...

How could they have served a search warrant with all the shooting? Did any LEO actually knock at the door?

Court documents that show what officers were searching for in the case have been sealed and what was seized as evidence has also been sealed.

Why the secrecy?

Authorities say Guerena didn't fire a shot and his AR-15 rifle had the safety on.

Gosh, doesn't that make it sort of difficult to justify 70 rounds in less than 10 seconds?

The family has now hired an attorney, who's asking for records including radio communications, police logs and 911 recordings from that day.

To the family: GOOD LUCK and may Justice prevail!

I am strongly in favor of gun rights, but not that many people have a loaded AR-15 within reach when someone knocks at the door. So maybe this was a dangerous person. But even the worst criminal suspect has the right to a trial, rather than having an execution squad sent to his home, where his family also lives.

S.W.A.T. = Served Warrant After Termination.

12 posted on 05/26/2011 10:59:45 PM PDT by ARepublicanForAllReasons (Borders, laws and language are what define us (USA) as a country. Let's guard them well.)
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To: nparker99

This case will end like 99.99% of other like cases. The thugs followed procedure. Bang bang you’re dead!

The reason for the search has been sealed by the courts. IOWs, coverup in progress. Before they are done, this Marine will be a child molesting, drug dealing, serial killer, and a threat to national security.

BTW, there is no such thing as an “ex-Marine.”


13 posted on 05/26/2011 11:01:58 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (Repeal the 16th amendment . Send Islam packing to their homeland.)
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To: ARepublicanForAllReasons
I am strongly in favor of gun rights, but not that many people have a loaded AR-15 within reach when someone knocks at the door.

You might be surprised.

Try watching this.

Jose Guerena SWAT Raid Video From Helmet Cam

14 posted on 05/26/2011 11:08:06 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog; nparker99
The big question still remains unanswered. Who fired the first shot?. Was it Guerena or a SWAT team officer?Was it Guerena or a SWAT team officer? Did Guerena fire at all?

Apparently you are behind the times. It has been determined,and admitted to by the police, after several lies to the contrary, that the AR15 Guerena had still had on the safety and no rounds were fired by him. The stupid swat team didn't "serve a warrant" either, they broke his door down and gave every appearance of being criminals. This was murder pure and simple.

So, no, there is no big question, the question has been answered and these murderers need to be behind bars, along with the judge who issued the no knock warrant, a warrant, BTW, which has been sealed and blocked from public view.

15 posted on 05/26/2011 11:08:48 PM PDT by calex59
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To: M1911A1
The brief siren sounds like a car alarm, I heard no loud verbal announcements,

The tape is heavily edited. I'd like to see the original. There is one version toward the end where you can hear them announcing themselves loudly.

16 posted on 05/26/2011 11:11:12 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: douginthearmy
The big question is why do we have paramilitary organizations committing urban warfare against our homes?

The answer is pretty simple. Your government is teaching the public to OBEY.

It's the same reason the USDA just fined a family $90,000 for selling pet rabbits. http://reason.com/blog/2011/05/25/usda-fines-family-90000-for-se

It's the same reason that the Feds accused Bernard notHaus of "terrorism", sentenced him to prison for the rest of his life, and seized all his property for the crime of selling silver coins?

It's the same reason that they subject your 3-year-old to a pre-incarceration-style patdown when he passes airport securtiy.

OBEY. Obey, comrade.

17 posted on 05/26/2011 11:11:12 PM PDT by Skepolitic
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To: Borax Queen
How come Dupnik’s lawyer said they knocked for 45 seconds???

I recall that, but this tape is heavily edited. We need to see the original.

18 posted on 05/26/2011 11:12:24 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: bushpilot1

>> What do you mean?

There’s nothing complicated about my post, unless you think he should have survived 71 rounds.


19 posted on 05/26/2011 11:17:20 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: Borax Queen
How come Dupnik’s lawyer said they knocked for 45 seconds??? Is anyone telling the truth anymore??? Anywhere in the gubt?

Yep. The video sure shows a different version of the events than what Storie described. From the time they hit the siren until the last shot was fired was only 45 seconds. Unless Guerena had that AR just sitting around ready to roll (while he was asleep and his 4 year old was up wandering around) he must have been hustling. I can't say he didn't do it but this video makes version #5 of the cops story.

20 posted on 05/26/2011 11:18:38 PM PDT by Tucsonican
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To: Moonman62

Murder, live and in techocolor!

I’ve also noticed the usual “cops can do no wrong” crowds have been conspicuously absent from these threads, ad well as many of FR war on some drugs cheerleaders...


21 posted on 05/26/2011 11:19:50 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: Gene Eric

You stated he was not prepared.


22 posted on 05/26/2011 11:20:10 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: nparker99

Only thing I got out of that video was the fact that the guy with the camera was hiding behind a vehicle.

Despite my previous posts, this action seems to stink to high Heaven.

If that was me behind that door with a loaded AK, my field of fire would have let me take out four men in a second once that door hit the floor.

Retards.


23 posted on 05/26/2011 11:23:10 PM PDT by mmercier
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To: bushpilot1

I don’t understand the point you’re trying to make.


24 posted on 05/26/2011 11:28:09 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: douginthearmy

good point.

...and the wife saw the man through the window. she tried to communicate with him. clearly, he saw her.
so, the SWAT team then KNEW that at least the wife was home, and probably at least one child, when they previously thought they weren’t.
yet, they stormed it anyway.
the wife, AND a neighbor, confirmed there was no sirens, no announcement, and certainly no knocking for 45 seconds.

also, the story changed many times. SWAT later admitted, his saftety was on, and he never fired.
but another thing that changed, is the number of hits.
i saw many times early, “7 hits out of 71 shots.”.
the 71 remained, but later the 7 became 60.
i remember, because many commented on the terrible accuracy.

i believe the 7 was correct. how could he lived for an hour 14, with 60 bullets? (and, they try hard to not mention, he was still alive when the wife came out of the closet...)

this stinks worse than the COSTCO murder by SWAT of the West Point graduate, in Nevada.


25 posted on 05/26/2011 11:28:13 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

good point. there was one really bad one, when the story first broke... he tried REAL hard to do damage control.
but since then, pretty much everyone agrees this was murder of an innocent Marine.
...he had nothing on his record but traffic tickets. was sleeping after a 12 hour shift at a mining company, and had purchase the tiny house, only 2 months before.
...the neighbor confirmed no sirens. the shot him, and then the refused to let the medics in, for 1 hour 14 minutes, and then they radio the medics could go home, because the “suspect” was dead.
i might forgive the original mistake.
but there is NO doubt, they LET him bleed to death.
that is deliberate, thought out, murder.


26 posted on 05/26/2011 11:33:54 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: nparker99
The video shows there was a siren.

Which is something the pro drug abusing cop haters who are using well meaning FReepers as tools to their agenda jumped on as being a big lie that proved this was murder.

Well, this video at least settles that question.

27 posted on 05/26/2011 11:34:01 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Obama can't see something pure like the truth without wanting to abort it.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
“ad well as many of FR war on some drugs cheerleaders...

How much of a deranged drug abuser can a person apparently be, to shamelessly inject their pro-drug agenda into this thread?

Man, if that don't prove everything I been saying about the cop haters nothing else will.

28 posted on 05/26/2011 11:38:58 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Obama can't see something pure like the truth without wanting to abort it.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

So you approve of summary executions based on little to no probable cause much less beyond any reasonable doubt?

Hope your door is the next one kicked in, be it based on “probable cause”, outright lies or by mistake...


29 posted on 05/26/2011 11:48:03 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
The Police had a warrant to enter. A warrant issued by a judge after it was shown to him or her that there was in fact cause and little doubt that such a warrant was necessary.

Here is my hope for you Pro-drugs Dude, go out there and point your gun at the police.

30 posted on 05/26/2011 11:55:01 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Obama can't see something pure like the truth without wanting to abort it.)
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To: Gene Eric; bushpilot1

I think what Gene Eric is saying is that, if this Marine was TRULY prepared, there would have been a lot of dead SWAT members piled up in his front hallway.

One can think they are prepared by having a gun at the ready - but are not truly, fully prepared. Otherwise this Marine may still be alive. Or at least have gone down fighting. But - his wife and child are alive.

And - if this HAD been a group of thugs as I believe the Marine thought, he probably would have been able to kill some and deter all of them.

I do work at a place sometimes where I can hear the training for a specialized police force. The various types of automatic weapon fire is amazing and on-going. They are getting LOTS of training with heavy weapons. I used to comment “I’m sure glad those guys are on our side!”.

For several years now it has become “I sure hope those guys are on our side.”


31 posted on 05/27/2011 12:02:15 AM PDT by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Thank goodness that they no longer need a warrant as of a couple days ago:

“Kentucky v. King - the US Supreme Court has ruled that cops who smell marijuana coming from your home can break down your door and arrest you, just as long as they knock first and claim to have heard you destroying evidence. They don’t need a warrant either. Today in America, police can now randomly patrol neighborhoods and apartment complexes sniffing around for pot. When they smell it, they can knock on your door and then break it down, claiming they heard noises from within.”

**************

Glad to hear we are getting tough on those dopers. We have to give up some of our freedoms in order for them to keep us safe. Glad those S.C. justices have the balls to do this. Although they probably don’t have the guts to cross out the entire 4th Amendment. But they might as well.

Fourth Amendment:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


32 posted on 05/27/2011 12:21:14 AM PDT by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: nparker99

Crush LEO Unions.


33 posted on 05/27/2011 12:21:37 AM PDT by NoLibZone (Until Reagan rises from the dead: Thank God McCain didnt win. Obama's better than some RINO.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
The Police had a warrant to enter. A warrant issued by a judge after it was shown to him or her that there was in fact cause and little doubt that such a warrant was necessary.

We can only assume it was issued on lies... why?

Because Pima County SWAT is now on their 5th version of this story and the warrant you speak of has been sealed at the request of the Sheriff himself...

Infact Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik told Arizona Daily Star columnist Josh Brodesky that he may never release the search warrants and police affidavits. Link: http://azstarnet.com/news/local/article_47d3b9b2-8345-11e0-a48d-001cc4c03286.html

This is where you position begins to fall apart... notwithstanding you must engage in accusations of your own (calling folks drug users) to make your rather feeble point...

But anyway...

The department's excuses for keeping all of this information under wraps make little sense. In his May 18 press release (http://pimasheriff.org/bulletins/officer-involved-shooting-update/), for example, Public Information Officer Jason Ogan wrote, "The investigation that lead to the service of the search warrants on May 5 is a complicated one involving multiple people suspected of very serious crimes.

Sometimes, law enforcement agencies must choose between the desire of the public to quickly know details, and the very real threat to innocent lives if those details are released prematurely." Dupnik used the same line of reasoning. "Those are the real sensitive parts of why we are having difficulty with trying to put information out publicly--because we don't want somebody getting killed," Dupnik said.

The problem with that explanation is that the search warrants and affidavits weren't sealed until four days after the raids were executed, right at about the time the troubling questions about Jose Guerena's death began to make national headlines...

34 posted on 05/27/2011 12:23:04 AM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

You can assume anything you wish but there are investigations as there should be and when they are complete then there will be the answers for you.


35 posted on 05/27/2011 12:27:51 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Obama can't see something pure like the truth without wanting to abort it.)
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To: nparker99

Bookmark


36 posted on 05/27/2011 12:28:00 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

>> Here is my hope for you Pro-drugs Dude

Just be grateful his kids weren’t playing Scrabble behind their father as he took 71 rounds.

You raise a good point. Did the judge know he was putting the lives of children in jeopardy? Is this exercise of narcotics control exemplary of intelligent justice and planning? I don’t think so. It’s imperious authority akin to the kind of statism we defeated in WWII.

BTW, a warrant is not a sentence to death.

Furthermore, I ain’t a “Pro-drugs Dude”.


37 posted on 05/27/2011 12:31:11 AM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
You can assume anything you wish but there are investigations as there should be and when they are complete then there will be the answers for you.

Yeah, all the investigations you refer to will be based on statements by those civilian paramilitary troops that busted this guys door down, and proceeded to shoot him 60 times.

Does the dead suspect even have a history of violence?

Or is that too a secret?

38 posted on 05/27/2011 12:32:24 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: nparker99

Seems to me the SWAT team only does the entry, the investigation and obtaining of the warrant is done by others, no ? I always thought SWAT teams just got their orders and went in, assuming they had a valid arrest to make and it was some kind of drug den with potentially numerous armed and dangerous people with long rap sheets.

I don’t know, but seems like if a warrant was issued, they would have done a background check of the resident. I would they they should have noted a military record and the job, which wouldn’t one think that perhaps this is at least somewhat of a stand-up guy ? Perhaps he simply could have been arrested when driving into the driveway coming home from work by regular police ?

It makes no sense that a SWAT team was ordered in where only a husband, wife and child were living. With no serious rap sheet, why could this guy not have been even sent a letter to come down to HQ for an interview - I bet he would have.

What ever happened to investigation ? Hmmm... somethings smells rotten in Pima County...


39 posted on 05/27/2011 12:32:36 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (Huguenot)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Your right, and I’m going to predict now, based upon the Pima Co Sheriff and his SWAT Gestapo’s current actions.

Their documented lies to the media both the AZ Daily Star and KGUN TV, the fact he sealed all warrants and affidavits in this raid only after the media began calling it what it really is, A MURDER... and the entire SWAT team is now hiding behind a CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYER, not the county attorney but a CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYER...

Yeah I’m gonna predict this $hit sandwich will grow is size and stench and in the end will cost Pima County $$$MEGA BUCKS$$$$ when this fallen marines widow sues the living piss out of Pima county and wins.

Hopefully someone will end up in jail over this too... but the fat blue line is strong and rarely are bad cops held accountable for anything these days including murder under color of law...


40 posted on 05/27/2011 12:34:31 AM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: zerosix

He is the sherriff that claimed Rush and Hannity and talk radio and fox news were responsible for the Giffords shooting.


41 posted on 05/27/2011 12:34:40 AM PDT by CONSERVE
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To: PieterCasparzen
Seems to me the SWAT team only does the entry, the investigation and obtaining of the warrant is done by others, no ?

The investigation into this shooting will be based on this helmet camera, and statements from the paramilitary civilian troops that shoot this guy 60 times.

Does anyone know if the dead homeowner even has a record of violence?

42 posted on 05/27/2011 12:37:25 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
but there are investigations

Are these the same caliber and quality of investigations that led a SWAT Team to kick in the door of a Marine with no criminal history with a young wife and small child at home... over a legal base ball cap, a picture of some Mexican Robin hood type, a legal firearm and perfectly legal body armor you can buy off ebay??

You mean those kinds of investigations, of that quality coming from a department that has already lied tot he media MANY TIMES will give us truthful answers?

43 posted on 05/27/2011 12:39:23 AM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: PieterCasparzen
I don’t know, but seems like if a warrant was issued, they would have done a background check of the resident.

You are assuming that all those on the gov level and the armed agents of the state all possess common sense... that's your first mistake...

44 posted on 05/27/2011 12:41:17 AM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: dragnet2
Does anyone know if the dead homeowner even has a record of violence?

He has NO RECORD AT ALL... just a traffic ticket or two according to KGUN TV...

45 posted on 05/27/2011 12:43:11 AM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Watch the paramilitary SWAT member with the helmet camera....As soon as they open up on the homeowner, helmet cam guy appears to jump back in the vehicle and ducks behind the seat, and goes to the floor of the vehicle.

At least that is where the camera was pointed. wow...


46 posted on 05/27/2011 12:43:43 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: douginthearmy

Or don’t deal drugs and do home invasions


47 posted on 05/27/2011 12:45:19 AM PDT by oldernittany
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Does anyone know if the dead homeowner even has a record of violence?

He has NO RECORD AT ALL

No history or record of violence, yet this raid is the same types of tactics used on mass murdering international terrorist?

48 posted on 05/27/2011 12:45:55 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Gene Eric
It doesn't add credibility to your point of view when you steal a quote that is specifically to another person.
49 posted on 05/27/2011 12:48:08 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Obama can't see something pure like the truth without wanting to abort it.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I only heard the siren for a few seconds. I would have assumed, if I heard it in my house, that it was a cop pulling somebody over. It was on and then it was off. They yelled from outside the door. If I was watching tv in the farthest room of that house, I don’t think I would have understood what they were saying until the fog cleared in my head while hearing someone beating on my door. And if I were on the toilet with the fan on, then I wouldn’t have heard any of this stuff clearly. We run our fan in our bathroom all the time. It’s to drown out the noise outside our bedroom.

I don’t know much about SWAT procedures, but why do these cops have sunglasses on looking into a dark house? (I don’t know if you know. Maybe someone else can explain.)


50 posted on 05/27/2011 12:50:34 AM PDT by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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