Posted on 05/28/2011 1:49:58 AM PDT by petitfour
Records released by the Pima County Sheriff's Department this week show that the four houses served with search warrants the morning of May 5 - when Jose Guerena was shot and killed by a SWAT team - are less than four miles apart and are all connected to the Guerena family.
And while initial reports were that doctors told the Guerena family that Jose had been shot 60 times, the Pima County medical examiner's preliminary report says he was shot 22 times. In its sole briefing on the incident, the Sheriff's Department said SWAT team members fired 71 rounds.
Aside from releasing more than 500 pages of documents about the incident, the department has remained mum since the May 10 briefing.
The raid netted drugs, large amounts of cash, bulletproof vests, about 30 cellphones and a stolen vehicle, records show, but no arrests have been made.
(Excerpt) Read more at azstarnet.com ...
There were no drugs found in Jose Guerena's house and no reasonable person would think a SWAT team is necessary to arrest someone for a "bag of marijuana." You're bending over backwards to defend the indefensible murder of a man in his home.
That’s two. What percentage of Marines do you calculate that to be?
I am not a Marine, but I take insult at that remark. Every branch of the military has it fair share of losers after they were discharged.
Dahmer was a US army vet.
The Boston Strangler was also a army vet.
Do you think that the request for the warrant included their "Facebook" profile? What a thought.
How do you square that statement with the accusation of drug distribution?
I think all this says is that Dupnik is a buffoon.
I am not a hater of the police. But I do despise the very concept of the widespread militarisation of the police in the U.S.
Have you stopped beating your wife?
You probably don’t have to worry about getting raided, but you can bet that if it happens, after your funeral the SWAT lawyer will talk about your police and paramilitary gear.
I have several history books and some insignia that my father captured in WWII, so after my funeral they’ll probably talk about my Nazi memorabilia. My rather modest gun collection will be “an arsenal” and my reloading gear will be “explosives manufacturing material”. My seabags full of old uniforms will be “enough military gear to outfit a small army”.
I believe that the vast majority of police officers are honest, brave public servants who have a Hell of a tough job. That doesn’t mean that don’t screw up on occasion, and I think that they tend to circle the wagons when it happens, and the lawyers they retain spin events as hard as they can to make the mistake look justified. It’s their job.
I’m probably much more likely to get hit by lightning than get killed in a SWAT raid, since I avoid illegal activity and those that engage in it.
I’m sure that if I lost the lottery and that one in a million mistake brought the door kickers to my house, and I wound with twenty holes in me, they wouldn’t be issuing press releases later attesting to my sterling character.
P.S. the “beating your wife” comment want was meant to illustrate your use of the “complex question” logical fallacy and not to imply that you beat your wife (if you even have a wife).
Ummm. NO.
I'm glad they lead with that. Well, that convinces me. The police did the right thing.
> And while initial reports were that doctors told the
> Guerena family that Jose had been shot 60 times, the Pima
> County medical examiner’s preliminary report says he was
> shot 22 times.
Oh, that makes me feel a whole lot better.
/s
On the article page, there is a pdf file of interview of one of the officers.
It is reported that the Guerena family is involved with the drug cartel. It is also noted that they are involved in “drug rips”. I believe this is where gangs raid other gangs of money and drugs.
In addition, the Guerena family is noted for being involved in a double homicide.
It might be a good idea FOR ALL OF YOU COP HATERS...to wait for more information to come out on this. This may not be the best case to float your silly, “we are a police state” fantasies.
You are working to hard for excuses. Actually, snifferdogs at Arizona checkpoints stop very few vehicles. It depends on what they are trained for.
From the PDF report of one of the officers involved, when asked about how he was identified:
"Uh, on my vest I have a, uh, circular patch that says Sheriff on it. Um, I think on my back I have Uh, a Sheriff patch.... (etc)."
Lest we forget, there have been articles posted here at FR and other places in the last couple of weeks that the Cartels members are wearing police uniforms quite regularly.
Between that, and the new 'laws' there are going to be a lot more killings, and not always bad guys and suspected bad guys, what with all the new "no knock warrants" and the new "You don't need a warrant at all if you are suspicious" ruling from the Supreme Court.
Of course 0bama, and his co-conspirators want it that way. They want warfare between the enforcers and the civilians. It will help them shut down the Constitution completely.
Plus, the Sergeant, On page 11 of the PDF doesn't even know for certain how he was armed when the raid started. That is true professionalism.
This is a very distressing event, even if the SWAT team did everything 'right' and even if it turns out that Guerena was as dirty and dangerous as they claim. I hate to see stuff like this, because I appreciate the tough and dangerous job that police officers do, and like pretty much all of the ones I am acquainted with and /or have met in the performance of their duties. But I also have a lot of love for freedom and the concept of innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
No. The simple fact is that more damage is being done to this country by the militarization of law enforcement and the accompanying damage to Constitutional rights than by drugs. IOW, the cure is worse than the disease.
Personal note...the only "drug" I've ever used (other than prescription) was tobacco, and I quit that fifteen years ago.
I have a feeling this is going to come back around and there will be more to why they raided the house than these article indicate.
Along the same lines Not all cops are guilty because they are cops. Of course you wouldnt know that on Freerepublic.
No, I asked a couple of questions your non-sequitur about check points notwithstanding.
How many cops are former marines, yet on here they are scum no matter.
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