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Vietnam accuses China in seas dispute
BBC ^ | 20 May 2011 | BBC

Posted on 05/30/2011 6:52:07 AM PDT by coldphoenix

Vietnam's foreign ministry has accused China of increasing regional tensions in an escalating territorial dispute.

A rare weekend news briefing followed a confrontation in the South China Sea between a Vietnamese oil and gas survey ship and Chinese patrol boats.

Vietnam says the boats deliberately cut the survey ship's cables in Vietnamese waters. China denies the allegation.

China, Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan all claim territories in the South China Sea.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; dispute; vietnam

1 posted on 05/30/2011 6:52:12 AM PDT by coldphoenix
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To: coldphoenix

They better get used to it. China is not building a navy for nothing. And of course bamby will have nothing to say about it.


2 posted on 05/30/2011 6:57:59 AM PDT by Track9 (Make War!!)
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To: coldphoenix

Veet-nam is bring a squirt gun to a real gun fight if they want to take on China over anything.


3 posted on 05/30/2011 7:01:15 AM PDT by NWFLConservative (Game On.......Fight Like a Girl!!...............Saracuda in 2012)
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To: NWFLConservative

Maybe, but “Veet-nam” beat China last time.


4 posted on 05/30/2011 7:10:54 AM PDT by vladimir998 (When anti-Catholics can't debate they just make stuff up.)
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To: coldphoenix

Houston we have a problem. This is the China of whom Barack Obama "welcomed the rise." Not the prosperity -- the rise. Which claims the waters clear up to the beaches of Brunei and Malaysia if I read this map right.

5 posted on 05/30/2011 7:11:08 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: coldphoenix

Viet Nam & China have had many border shooting matches in the past.
Hopefully these will continue & escalate


6 posted on 05/30/2011 7:46:36 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: coldphoenix

If the dinks get into it w/ china they will be alone this time, it won’t last long.


7 posted on 05/30/2011 7:51:35 AM PDT by devistate one four ( Kimber CDP II .45 OORAH! TET68)
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To: coldphoenix
There's a showdown coming over the Spratleys and several other island groups in that part of the world. Fishing, mineral, and oil exploration rights are the central issue here and several countries are buying all the arms they can for the eventual conflict. The Philippines was supposed to take an issue over a few of the islands to the UN Security Council the other day, but I haven't heard what happened(probably nothing). It will be interesting to see how far China goes.
8 posted on 05/30/2011 8:39:27 AM PDT by aegiscg47
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To: coldphoenix

Nothing would please me more than for these two Communist countries to start shooting at each other (again).


9 posted on 05/30/2011 9:43:03 AM PDT by patriot preacher
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To: aegiscg47

China seems to have played its hand a little early. Remember the Japanese islands’ dispute?.. They also have had skirmishes with Vietnam before...
India and Vietnam are actually increasing military co-operation with a eye firmly on ensuring China does not get trigger happy and try to take the islands by force.
It wouldn’t be China’s best interest if all the smaller countries banded together with a little muscle added in by India and possibly the US.


10 posted on 05/30/2011 9:47:15 AM PDT by coldphoenix
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To: coldphoenix

Hahahahaha! Vietnam should just ask for those 10 Chinese divisions they had in North Vietnam while they sent all their own North Vietnamese men South.


11 posted on 05/30/2011 10:11:36 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: NWFLConservative

Re: Veet-nam is bring a squirt gun to a real gun fight if they want to take on China over anything.

Never worry. The VC’s have a diehard partner in arm: The United States of America. My enemy’s enemy my friend so to speak.


12 posted on 05/30/2011 3:19:51 PM PDT by EdisonOne (http://www.channel4.com/media/images/Channel4/c4-news/MAY/04/04_helicopter_r_k.jpg)
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To: vladimir998
Maybe, but “Veet-nam” beat China last time.

When was this? Are you referring to the 1978-79 invasion of "Democratic Kampuchea?"

13 posted on 05/30/2011 5:35:37 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

No, the war that followed that one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War


14 posted on 05/30/2011 5:54:11 PM PDT by vladimir998 (When anti-Catholics can't debate they just make stuff up.)
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To: vladimir998

I’m ashamed to say that I didn’t know about that one. But then, it was so brief . . . Thought it had something to do with the Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia, though.


15 posted on 05/30/2011 6:02:40 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

I think it did - at least I thought it did. IIRC the Chinese thought the Vietnamese were getting a little full of themselves by invading Cambodia. I might have my dates off though.


16 posted on 05/30/2011 6:06:39 PM PDT by vladimir998 (When anti-Catholics can't debate they just make stuff up.)
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To: Joe Boucher

Re: Viet Nam & China have had many border shooting matches in the past.

Seriously, there’s simply [no shooting match] as massive, as deadly, and as immoral as [the shooting match] we know of as [the Vietnam war].

There, these VC’s and their civilian population drop like flies from the massive carpet bombing from B-52’s flying from 60 thousand feet above and it wasn’t until the JFK LBJ boy’s started to question their own Christian morals in the mass butchering that it had finally come to a roadblock of its own making.

If otherwise, these VC and there subjects would most likely have turned into ground beef sandwiched between a McDonald’s burger buns long long ago :).

Re: Hopefully these will continue & escalate

Exactly my hope as well. I mean somebody have to smarten up the Vo Nguyen Giap’s of the Vietnamese pan handle if Nixon doesn’t have the ba!!s to finish off what JFK and LBJ had started.

I mean who better than a giant next door that have [an abundant supply of settlers like those of the Oregon Trails to simply overrun and overtake the country by force if necessary practically overnight if they so wish] if the Nixon boy’s didn’t have what it takes to the job.


17 posted on 05/30/2011 8:38:45 PM PDT by EdisonOne (http://www.channel4.com/media/images/Channel4/c4-news/MAY/04/04_helicopter_r_k.jpg)
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To: coldphoenix

RTo: aegiscg47

Re: China seems to have played its hand a little early. Remember the Japanese islands’ dispute?.. They also have had skirmishes with Vietnam before...

Truthfully, all three... Errr... maybe four to include the Pino boy’s, are all reliant on the US military, solely, as their spines in their arm wrestling with the Chi-Com’s.

That precisely is why all four (Japan, the Philippines, Vietnam, and India, the latter two in particular) would allow America’s shadow to tag alongside them whenever they need to deal with the Chinese.


18 posted on 05/30/2011 8:59:13 PM PDT by EdisonOne (http://www.channel4.com/media/images/Channel4/c4-news/MAY/04/04_helicopter_r_k.jpg)
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To: vladimir998

Re: I think it did - at least I thought it did. IIRC the Chinese thought the Vietnamese were getting a little full of themselves by invading Cambodia. I might have my dates off though.

Nah! The truth is that [the Soviets had thought that the Chinese were getting a little too full of themselves and not China believing that the Vietnamese were smart a**es].

And, since they (the Soviets) had the Vietnamese firmly under their thumbs at the time, they instigated [the Vo Nguyen Giap’s] of the Vietnamese panhandle who had the idea of making the next Imperial Japan of Asia, to take the Chinese on.

News of Vietnamese commando incursions into Chinese territories (probably under demands by Brezhnev) started to filter into the press as soon as the Americans pulled out of Nam. Shelling by Vietnamese of border townships inside China were a daily main course entree.

It wasn’t until the USSR had disintegrated that hostilities of one sort or another had drastically been reduced in the border regions.


19 posted on 05/30/2011 9:23:52 PM PDT by EdisonOne (http://www.channel4.com/media/images/Channel4/c4-news/MAY/04/04_helicopter_r_k.jpg)
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Funny thing,
We are in a war and getting stomped and have our heads in the sand


20 posted on 05/31/2011 5:24:07 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I’m ashamed to say that I didn’t know about that one. But then, it was so brief . . . Thought it had something to do with the Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia, though.

The Vietnamese invaded Cambodia because the Khmer Rouge had staged large numbers of cross-border attacks that killed thousands of Vietnamese civilians. The Khmer Rouge's long term objective was to recreate the Khmer empire that once ruled Vietnam before they were driven out by refugees from what is now China, over a thousand years ago. The Vietnamese objective was to topple the Khmer Rouge and replace it with a friendly government, thereby ending the relentless cross border attacks. The Chinese staged a large scale punitive invasion of Vietnam because the Vietnamese would not agree to border adjustments in China's favor, and failed to show the appropriate gratitude (i.e. grovel before China) after decades of communist Chinese military assistance for the Vietnamese communists against both France and the US. The Chinese were also irked because the Khmer Rouge was closely aligned with China, and the Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia toppled one of the China's few allies in the region.

From a moral standpoint, I'd have to say that Vietnam's invasion of Cambodia was one of the most defensible around, because it was a prophylactic war aimed at preventing further massacres of its citizens by Khmer Rouge invaders rampaging through its border provinces, that had the side benefit of interrupting the Khmer Rouge genocide that had already killed 1/3 of the Cambodian population. In contrast, China's invasion of Vietnam was a model of cynicism. China had contributed Red Guards that trained the Khmer Rouge cadres who implemented the Cambodian genocide. The invasion of Vietnam was aimed at returning the Khmer Rouge to power, despite the Khmer Rouge's genocidal record, notably against Cambodians of Chinese descent (whose numbers went down 50% after the genocide), whose well-being the Chinese claimed to champion.

21 posted on 06/02/2011 6:01:22 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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