Posted on 05/31/2011 6:10:34 AM PDT by marktwain
TUCSON, Ariz. – The death of a former Marine near Tucson continues to stir controversy.
A group spent this Memorial Day protesting the SWAT raid which led to his death. Investigation documents reveal officers seized guns, banking documents and other items from the home but did not find drugs or cash.
(Excerpt) Read more at azfamily.com ...
Of course, Pina county prolly knew that. Very telling that these SWAT teams, armed and outfitted better than the average infantry company in the sandbox(For urban house clearing ops)do more raids on average folks than they do on the latino crime org's running the drug transport/distribution business nationwide. It's not like they ain't there. Here in Atlanta, the major transport hub of the SE, the last major takedown of the latino drug org was 2005. Meanwhile, here in Cobb county, 30 some odd LE's complete with tactical team were sent after my neighbor's 19 yo son over a probation violation. He was at his gf's mother's place, a wooded parcel around 100 acres with horse farm bordering a decent patch of woods with the entire back side cut off with a good size creek.
After busting down mom's door, A longtime RN, and finding nothing...dogs and 4 wheelers were called in. 3 hours were spent searching for this 19 yo and his gf, who were sound asleep in a brightly colored tent not 40 yards off the main trail on the edge of a open field that the searchers never bothered to check. How many thousands of bucks worth of men and toys? Over a non violent 19 yo on probation for petty theft, who BTW, is about to take his GED(I helped him).
This is not an isolated incident. The local tactical teams are used regularly for bs like this more than they are against armed drug gangs.
I'm about to post a vanity about a tragic, dumb, no knock raid that claimed 2 lives. One was the elderly home owner, the other was the first LE ever killed in the line of duty in my home county, Douglas county, just west of Cobb. A SD loaded top to bottom with professional, respected, and liked men. The leadership are all longtime LE from within the dept.
It pains me to post this. This isn't nothing like most bad raids. This isn't like Arizona where the dept is rotten from the top. These were not goon LE's on the team, nor would this team ever approach the level of incompetence shown by the Arizona team.
DCSD knows there was a bad call made that cost lives. Those involved with making it were devastated and will prolly carry this burden to their graves.
The reason I feel compelled to post this in a vanity for discussion is: I feel very strongly about this issue. Things need to change. This is a case where neither side has anything but the base issue to talk about. The "COP HATER" crowd cannot come in here with any of their BS because I openly stated from the get go how I feel about this dept. No one is calling for LE heads to roll here. No one from the other side can sling comments that might be deserving and ring true, but only serve to give the "COPHATER" crowd what they need to deflect
Nothing but the root cause of the issue is open for discussion. I earnestly hope SOME form of progress is made on this issue by me posting this and is my sole motive for posting. I will ping both sides when I'm done.
See y'all then.
It is embarrassing to be found shot dead with your safety on.
You left out “shoot the owner’s dog” on the list...
There were SWAT teams at the other locations though I do not know if the same one from JG’s house was used again. One raid was conducted simultaneously. I think it is the one that netted the $92K and the bag of weed. (ziploc bag or trash bag or lawn trash bag??) I do not believe that Alex Guerena was home when that raid was conducted—just women and children—but he showed up later and was questioned but not arrested at the time. The other two houses were raided several hours later. No one lived at one of the houses, and I don’t know about the second one.
BTW, this raid occurred at 9:32am. The inside of the house was dark because the guy who lived in it worked the graveyard shift and had just returned home and been asleep for about two hours.
You have jumped to the wrong conclusion ... biased?
>>“If/when it goes to court, SWAT experts are going to solidly condemn this Tucson cluster foxtrot.”
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>I sure as Hell hope so. Those criminals need to go to prison.
I disagree.
They need to hang by the neck until dead... preferably in a public place.
Marines and Patriot riders need to show up to protest.
How so?
biased?
Probably. After what is probably hundreds of hours of MOUT training while in the military, I find it hard to believe this was the "A" team.
If it WAS the "A" team, the citizens of Tucson had better beware.
Swat teams need to be disbanded completely.
Thanks.
There were probably no dogs to shoot. The protocol would likely include all barking or running dogs both on the property and on adjoining parcels and in the street.
They do have one already. I bet they were lining up. I hope he's good, and a vicious fighter.
Tucson protocol:
1. Knock lightly
2. Toss in flash bangs
3. Ventilate homeowner with a few dozen rounds
4. Eliminate any potential canine witnesses
5. Double check address
6. Contact SWAT staff attorney and initiate damage control
7. Call paramedics for homeowner
We seem to be thinking along the same lines. I’ve started calling it the “Tucson Protocol”.
Can you ping me when you post your article, I’ll read it and comment.
My husband was questioned by the Tucson PD detectives years ago. He was innocent of any of the charges but they were very unprofessional. He avoids police to this day. After all the crap that Dupnik said in January this really stinks.
“Walking A Mile In Freedom’s Shoes: Oath Keepers Muster * Tucson * Memorial Day, May 30, 2011”
“The pace of the march, the length of the flag-carrying procession, the somberness in the rhythm of the march, the dignity of singular-minded people coming together in purpose and walking upon the earth in procession, is as primordial and potent as it gets. The moment of the march shall live forever.”
Oath Keepers Muster.
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