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Anti-Coal Folks Get Their Say (Enviros want to get rid of coal completely)
The Albuquerque Journal ^ | June 2, 2011 | Winthrop Quigley

Posted on 06/02/2011 10:50:25 AM PDT by CedarDave

SANTA FE – The Environmental Improvement Board asked for testimony about the best way to cost-effectively reduce haze caused by power plants, but many of the people EIB heard from Wednesday wanted to talk about eliminating coal as a fuel and switching to renewable energy.

"Coal is a moral issue,” said Marlene Perroti of the Sisters of Mercy. Because of its environmental, health and climate effects, use of coal violates religious values of justice, stewardship and respect for life, she said.

The haze that the federal Environmental Protection Agency is requiring states to address is “a superficial indicator” of bigger, coal-related damage, said Joan Brown of the Franciscan order and New Mexico Interfaith Power and Light.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: coal; environazis; environmentalists; environuts
Moonbats and crazies from Santa Fe living on daddy's dole or state welfare roles protest the NM requiring stiffer pollution controls on power plants.

Differences between former Richardson administration plans and Martinez administration:

$900 million solution favored by EPA and previous admin would improve visibility by an estimated 13 percent with a cost of additional $85 per year to customers. New admin proposal to cost $77 million with estimated 2.5 percent visibility increase to increase rates by $11 per year. Previous pollution controls improved visibility by 54 since 2009.

1 posted on 06/02/2011 10:50:33 AM PDT by CedarDave
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To: CedarDave; Bockscar; grey_whiskers; WL-law; IrishCatholic; Whenifhow; SolitaryMan; mmanager; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

2 posted on 06/02/2011 10:51:59 AM PDT by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: CedarDave

3 posted on 06/02/2011 10:54:19 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: CedarDave

[... use of coal violates religious values of justice, stewardship and respect for life,...]

That quote confirms environmentalism is mother earth worship.

Let’s use the separation clause to eliminate the EPA.


4 posted on 06/02/2011 10:56:32 AM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: steelyourfaith

I call BS on any liberal talking about liberal issues as “a moral issue”.

We’ve been told that you can’t legislate morality. And we’ve been told that we can’t talk about morality in issues such as abortion and homosexual marriage.

But on a liberal cause such as global warming/enviro-extremism, now all of a sudden, we CAN talk about as a moral issue???????

Al Gore said that global warming is a moral issue, too. He said it’s not a legislative issue or a monetary issue, it’s a moral issue. Well, I guess we’re supposed to shut down debate if a liberal declares something is a moral issue.

The same liberals who have lectured us that morality has no place in discussing other issues, now want to preach about morality related to global warming.

Amazing. I never know what the liberal criteria for evaluating the issues of the day are.


5 posted on 06/02/2011 10:56:56 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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6 posted on 06/02/2011 10:57:51 AM PDT by CedarDave (I agree with Obama's immigration comments in El Paso: We do need moats filled with alligators)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Well, I guess we’re supposed to shut down debate if a liberal declares something is a moral issue.

Well, Al Gore DID say that "the debate's over."

7 posted on 06/02/2011 11:02:40 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: CedarDave

How I miss those old-fashioned, black-robed nuns who used to hit kids on the knuckles with their rulers. I’ll bet this nun doesn’t even have a ruler.


8 posted on 06/02/2011 11:05:22 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: CedarDave
How cool it would be to identify all the homes of eco-freaks who receive their electricity from coal fired plants...and then...cut ‘em off!
9 posted on 06/02/2011 11:07:44 AM PDT by JPG (Sarah Palin, driving the MSM crazy one day at a time.)
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To: CedarDave
“”Coal is a moral issue,” said Marlene Perroti of the Sisters of Mercy. Because of its environmental, health and climate effects, use of coal violates religious values of justice, stewardship and respect for life, she said. “

Evil people.
What they really want is Peter Singers version of a planet with very few humans.
They won't say that, but they offer up choices that are not feasible then ask us to pick which one.

10 posted on 06/02/2011 11:07:58 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (2008 was about words; 2012 will be about numbers)
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To: CedarDave

These people want to completely kill coal because they want us to all live in mud huts. They know there is a 500 year supply of coal, and that undermines their long term goal of killing human progress.


11 posted on 06/02/2011 11:08:32 AM PDT by Laserman
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To: Cicero
How I miss those old-fashioned, black-robed nuns who used to hit kids on the knuckles with their rulers. I’ll bet this nun doesn’t even have a ruler.

Now THOSE were Nuns!

(in memory of the dear departed Mary Wickes)

12 posted on 06/02/2011 11:10:28 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: CedarDave

that’s what we learned from our long history with smog control in Pittsburgh, getting rid of that last 5% costs you more than the whole previous 95% combined


13 posted on 06/02/2011 11:11:30 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: CedarDave
"Coal is a moral issue,” said Marlene Perroti of the Sisters of Mercy. Because of its environmental, health and climate effects, use of coal violates religious values of justice, stewardship and respect for life, she said.

Gramsci would be proud...

14 posted on 06/02/2011 11:12:35 AM PDT by Noumenon ("One man with courage is a majority." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: CedarDave
"Greenhouse gases" are simply a manufactured excuse.

What they really hate is energy of any kind, because energy = people.

Abolish all sources of energy, and the population of the world will plummet catastrophically.

Which is the real goal.

15 posted on 06/02/2011 11:14:58 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If Sarah Palin really was unelectable, state-run media would be begging the GOP to nominate her.)
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To: CedarDave

With more than half our electricity coming from coal plants ending the use of coal would mean a lot of unemployed people freezing or sweltering in darkened homes.


16 posted on 06/02/2011 11:15:05 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that pretty soon you run out of other people's money" M. Thatcher)
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To: Jo Nuvark
That quote confirms environmentalism is mother earth worship

More to the point, that quote highlights the extent of the corruption of our religious institutions by the Machiavellian / Gramscian 'long march through the institutions'.

17 posted on 06/02/2011 11:16:07 AM PDT by Noumenon ("One man with courage is a majority." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: CedarDave

So they will power their cramped, clown car electric WeenieMobiles with tofu pellets and wheat germ husks then?


18 posted on 06/02/2011 11:16:30 AM PDT by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: Laserman
They know there is a 500 year supply of coal, and that undermines their long term goal of killing human beings progress.

They are death-worshipping monsters. All of them.

19 posted on 06/02/2011 11:19:13 AM PDT by Noumenon ("One man with courage is a majority." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: CedarDave
"Coal is a moral issue,” said Marlene Perroti of the Sisters of Mercy. Because of its environmental, health and climate effects, use of coal violates religious values of justice, stewardship and respect for life, she said.

Religious values? Yep, just the other day I read the 10 commandments and there was a new one added: Thou shalt not use coal!

Dimwits are all as crazy as a sh** house mouse. What do they think we are going to replace the 48% of the power that coal powered plants generate in the USA with?

20 posted on 06/02/2011 11:19:41 AM PDT by calex59
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To: freedumb2003

Coal is from the devil! The devil!

(whack! whack!)


21 posted on 06/02/2011 11:21:29 AM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: thackney

Oh, sure, like reality has any place in this discussion.

< /Watermelon Greens>


22 posted on 06/02/2011 11:44:51 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Cicero

Yes: It was great when Nuns gave their lives to the Church, Prayed, ran schools, Hospitals ,homes for unwed mothers, and did things more suited to the Christian lifestyle they chose.

The Church really misses these dedicated women, but if these Dykes who call themselves nuns want to be political they should get out of the Convent, and become the busybodies they are.


23 posted on 06/02/2011 11:51:36 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: CedarDave

I thought this “board” which was appointed by richardson could be eliminated or at least replaced by the new Governor Martinez??????


24 posted on 06/02/2011 12:27:59 PM PDT by biff
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To: biff

I presume it has all new members — IIRC all but one were asked to resign. The EPA proposal supported by the Richardson administration was the more costly one (of course!). This one is less costly but NM will have to fight EPA to get it approved. They can’t do nothing, so this is the lessor of the evils and supported by the power industry (again, for obvious reasons).


25 posted on 06/02/2011 12:33:54 PM PDT by CedarDave (I agree with Obama's immigration comments in El Paso: We do need moats filled with alligators)
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To: Jo Nuvark
"Coal is a moral issue,” said Marlene Perroti of the Sisters of Mercy

. Sounds like this woman is a Catholic nun. Shouldn't she be teaching somewhere.

26 posted on 06/02/2011 12:35:05 PM PDT by oldbrowser (Blaming the prince of fools shouldn't blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that elected him)
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To: CedarDave

Lets all face it, it will take 50 years to get up to the level energy that coal provides.

We could all go back to the dark ages.


27 posted on 06/02/2011 12:45:25 PM PDT by ully2 (ully)
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To: CedarDave
They’ve totally lost their minds.

*”Coal is a moral issue,” said Marlene Perroti of the Sisters of Mercy* I’m hoping she’s from the band and not the Catholic church.

Going along with the Climate Alarmists’ lies is a moral issue.

Destroying the economy for a scam is a moral issue.

Plunging us back into the dark ages based on a hoax is a moral issue.

Allowing the government to go from a free republic to a totalitarian dictatorship that regulates every movement that you make is a moral issue.

Being on the side of these blatant liars violates religious values of justice, stewardship and respect for life.

Marlene should read the Bible more and stop reading pseudo-science malarkey.

28 posted on 06/02/2011 12:50:20 PM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: oldbrowser

No. She should NOT be teaching.
She’s already doing enough damage.


29 posted on 06/02/2011 12:50:34 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: ully2
Lets all face it, it will take 50 years to get up to the level energy that coal provides.

We could all go back to the dark ages.


Or we could switch entirely to breeder reactors, eliminate hundreds of millions of tons of highly toxic waste, air pollution, tens of thousands of deaths annually, and still have a meltdown every couple of weeks and still be ahead of coal.
30 posted on 06/02/2011 12:51:06 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: CedarDave
Because of its environmental, health and climate effects, use of coal violates religious values of justice, stewardship and respect for life, she said.

The new mantra of the Watermelons


31 posted on 06/02/2011 12:52:45 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Socialism works great until capitalism hits a rough spot)
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To: CedarDave

I don’t pretend to be a metallurgist, but isn’t coal necessary for the production of steel?

King Coal isn’t just for the production of electricity, what do they plan to use for construction, automobile and appliance manufacture, knife, gun, utensil manufacture, etc?


32 posted on 06/02/2011 1:36:17 PM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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eliminate hundreds of millions of tons of highly toxic waste, air pollution, tens of thousands of deaths annually

The nun has you hook - line - and - sinker I see...

33 posted on 06/02/2011 3:42:36 PM PDT by SteamShovel (The RADIATION PIMPS...are RATS)
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To: SteamShovel
eliminate hundreds of millions of tons of highly toxic waste, air pollution, tens of thousands of deaths annually

The nun has you hook - line - and - sinker I see...


What nun are you talking about? I'm referring to Bernard Cohen and this is a topic I've been studying for about 3 decades. Coal use is ubiquitous. It's cheap. But it's also dirty, produces huge amounts of toxic and radioactive waste (much more than all the nuclear plants combined), and is responsible for at least 10,000 deaths per year in the U.S. alone. Of course, better coal than nothing, but better even fast breeder reactors than coal. For the moronic environmentalist left nuclear is to coal what gun deaths are for the anti-gun nut compared to automobile deaths and disabilities. Both are criticizing the wrong things for the wrong reasons.
34 posted on 06/02/2011 5:01:53 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: SteamShovel
eliminate hundreds of millions of tons of highly toxic waste, air pollution, tens of thousands of deaths annually

The nun has you hook - line - and - sinker I see...


What nun are you talking about?

"Coal is a moral issue,” said Marlene Perroti of the Sisters of Mercy. Because of its environmental, health and climate effects, use of coal violates religious values of justice, stewardship and respect for life, she said.

Oh, the nutcase, Marlene. Energy availability is a moral issue. Because of the way lack of energy causes poverty and disease, any attempt to displace coal in favor of something that costs more for the same amount of electricity or to reduce the amount of electricity available to who has it now and/or to prevent its introduction to regions of the world that desperately need it violates religious values of justice, stewardship, and respect for life. If Marlene were really interested in morality and helping the poor, she'd be first in line agitating for the widespread and worldwide use of nuclear energy and the electrification of every backwater town on the face of the planet.
35 posted on 06/02/2011 5:09:26 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: I_Like_Spam

Indeed coal in the form of coke is used.

But oil is even more critical to modern life as it is the main ingredient in chemicals, plastics, synthetics, pharmaceuticals, etc.

And the best thing about coal is that it can be liquefied and act as a substitute for oil.


36 posted on 06/02/2011 8:43:57 PM PDT by CedarDave (I agree with Obama's immigration comments in El Paso: We do need moats filled with alligators)
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To: CedarDave

Someone should tell “Sister” that if God didn’t want us to burn coal, he wouldn’t have made it such an economical, high energy fuel, then made it so plentiful.

These “environMENTALists” believe in neither God Nor Gaia, even if they are part of a religious order.


37 posted on 06/02/2011 9:40:17 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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Oh, the nutcase, Marlene.

Yes, I was trying to make a joke about the her, it was bad I admit.

I agree about nuclear power. We need more of it.

I disagree about coal being poison. Poison is everywhere in minute quantities. Burning coal does nothing to change that, with the exception of redistribution. If it were that poison, coal power station workers would be dropping like flies from arsenic, thorium, mercury, and other types of poisoning. This is because this is the place where it is combusted and they are exposed more than any others. I have worked in coal plants for 15 years. I have never heard of people getting sick from these substances. As a matter of fact, these substances are so minute, a normal coal sample chemical analysis doesn't even detect them. You literally have to burn tons of the stuff to get an amount that is still minute. Add in dispersion back into the environment and it is insignificant. I'd worry more about poisoning from the asphalt shingles on the roof, and I don't worry about that either.

38 posted on 06/03/2011 5:44:55 AM PDT by SteamShovel (The RADIATION PIMPS...are RATS)
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