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Iran's Nukes: Apocalypse Soon?
IBD Editorials ^ | June 8, 2011 | Staff

Posted on 06/08/2011 5:28:33 PM PDT by Kaslin

Terror: Iran is speeding up its nuclear materials production and moving it underground amid reports that the regime is eight weeks from atomic bomb capability. Doomsday, anyone?

Tehran announced Wednesday that it will triple its production of high-grade uranium and relocate enrichment operations underground.

This comes just days after the Rand Corp. determined that the Islamofascist government is less than two months from being able to build a nuclear explosive, and that only an occupation force — not just airstrikes — can stop it.

On Friday, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad repeated his demand that Israel go away. "As long as the Zionist regime exists, if only on a small piece of land in Palestine, the region will not see tranquility," he declared at the grave of the Ayatollah Khomeini.

Year after year, the American people have made it clear they view a nuclear Iran as an unacceptable risk, and the most recent results of the IBD/TIPP Poll, shown above, found that those sentiments remain strong.

Yet the poll also shows a loss of confidence in our government's ability to prevent this terrorist-sponsoring state from joining the nuclear family.

In the years during which Iran has moved toward weapons of mass destruction, the free nations have irresponsibly played a kind of nuclear "hot potato," expecting someone else — usually Israel — to stop Tehran. But Israel itself is not immune to the trigger shyness: Last month, ex-Mossad chief Meir Dagan said an Israeli attack on Iran would be a "stupid thing."

(Excerpt) Read more at investors.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: cowards; nazis; romans; traitors

1 posted on 06/08/2011 5:28:34 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Israel will strike first. Count on it.


2 posted on 06/08/2011 5:29:34 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If Sarah Palin really was unelectable, state-run media would be begging the GOP to nominate her.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Iran will strike first. Count on it. Here’s some info from a few years ago.

S. Korea, U.S. verifying reports on test of new N.K. missile in Iran: source
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1834307/posts
(4,000 kilometer range—will reach London and the Vatican—May 16th, 2007)


3 posted on 06/08/2011 5:43:09 PM PDT by familyop (Shut up, and eat your brains!)
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To: Kaslin

Everyone in the CIA and congress involved in the Leak claiming Iran has either ended their nuke program or it was more than 10 years away should be jailed for treason. The knew Iran was still working on their nuke but wanted to undermine Bush. They should all be jailed for a very long time.


4 posted on 06/08/2011 5:44:33 PM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: Dutch Boy
You think Eastern Europe wishes they had Bush's Missile Shield?
5 posted on 06/08/2011 5:48:03 PM PDT by scooby321
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To: Kaslin

World War 3 is inevitable, there really is no other way to clear all the rotting debt in the world. War always has and will always be the last refuge of the Bankers to cover their Fraud.


6 posted on 06/08/2011 5:58:44 PM PDT by eyeamok
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To: familyop
So you actually believe Bibi will sit on his hands?
7 posted on 06/08/2011 6:01:40 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If Sarah Palin really was unelectable, state-run media would be begging the GOP to nominate her.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Let them get it set up. Then drop a couple dozen bunker busters. “Whoops! Sorry!”


8 posted on 06/08/2011 6:06:06 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Kaslin

Drop a nuke on their site with one of our stealth bombers and claim it wasn’t us, Hey Iran must of had an accident, that’s what you get when you have camel herders with a 7 century mentality working on 21st century technology

Or just nuke Mecca and end that horrible religion, it’s probably only a matter of time before we have to do it anyhow might as well get it over with.


9 posted on 06/08/2011 6:11:19 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Kaslin

Project David released in 2003 dictates a policy whereby they must preemptively strike Iran to prevent them obtaining nukes because the land mass of Israel is so small it could not survive a nuclear strike. If Israel is nuked they will use the Sampson Option and nuke the 15 to 20 largest cities in the Middle East to “Level the Playing Field”. Otherwise they would be overrun and there would be Holocaust # 2. This would probably put a spike in the price of gas don’t you think? Thinking $37.50/gal. just to pull a number out of the air.


10 posted on 06/08/2011 6:14:48 PM PDT by Any Fate But Submission (How Long Can You Tread Water)
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To: qam1
Or just nuke Mecca and end that horrible religion, it’s probably only a matter of time before we have to do it anyhow might as well get it over with.

It won't be by Obama! He may not be a Muslim but he is definitely a Muslim Sympathizer!

11 posted on 06/08/2011 6:23:31 PM PDT by Sen Jack S. Fogbound
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
"So you actually believe Bibi will sit on his hands?"

He'll launch, after Iran launches on Israel. Israel has good ABM defense systems, and Iran won't necessarily choose Israel as a first target. The mullahs want large numbers of Iranian casualties (1,000,000 or so, according to Iran's leadership a few years ago) in order to get the "Muslim world" fired up against the whole West, so launching on certain military and religious targets in Europe and/or the USA would probably be more to their liking.

More recent news...

Iran Placing Medium-Range Missiles in Venezuela; Can Reach the U.S.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2640111/posts

'Die Welt': Iran building rocket bases in Venezuela
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2721122/posts


12 posted on 06/08/2011 6:25:37 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Dutch Boy

Don’t leave out the UN and the glorious peace mongers that dwell within.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=0&oq=el+bara&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADFA_enUS428US429&q=elbaradei+iran+nukes

Doh!


13 posted on 06/08/2011 6:32:47 PM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (All the lands of the mid-east should return to their AD 609 borders)
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To: Dutch Boy

Don’t leave out the UN and the glorious peace mongers that dwell within.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=0&oq=el+bara&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADFA_enUS428US429&q=elbaradei+iran+nukes

Doh!


14 posted on 06/08/2011 6:32:47 PM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (All the lands of the mid-east should return to their AD 609 borders)
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To: Kaslin
Anyone remember Stuxnet?

A contrarian view: Isn't it strange that Iran's nuclear capability was apparently severly hampered, if not knocked out totally, by reports we were reading here just a few short months ago?

Isn't it strange, when all this newly found pressure is getting ramped up against Israel by the current US administration and the rest of the international community, that reports like this start to come out?

Could it be, that perhaps there are some wanting to goad Israel into a preemptive act of war? With the goal of (finally) getting international justification for direct military action against Israel?

Art of War, anyone?

15 posted on 06/08/2011 6:34:08 PM PDT by Sam's Army
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To: Sam's Army

I see it. I also posted hundreds of articles about Iran’s nuclear program a few years ago, but most commenters didn’t want to take the knowledge seriously. Most, being ethnically Euro-centered, wanted to keep the focus on Israel and Iran having a fight.

Also Gates is President Bush’s baby, and Rice worked very hard against Israel during her appointment. ...long list of links for evidence again, anyone?

IMO, a good retired Navy commander told me something to the effect that he was afraid that our nation no longer has the will to fight. He was right.

We need a default and some hard times in order to become Americans again, IMO.


16 posted on 06/08/2011 6:43:18 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Kaslin

Let’s see....given Iran is projecting testing of a nuclear weapon.....wouldn’t it be awful if it didn’t go as planned?

The headline would be sufficient for most....


17 posted on 06/08/2011 6:43:48 PM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: qam1

You are right about an anonymous weapons strike, but it will be done by Space Command’s assets, no stealth bomber to worry about being spotted.

And likely a weapon never deployed before (that leaves no chemical fingerprint), something along the line of Rods from God.


18 posted on 06/08/2011 6:52:51 PM PDT by wrench
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

they know about our busters. they designed for them.

the last strike plan i read about, said it was still possible, but it would require repeat hits on the exact same location. ...tough, when you’re being shot at.

other than that, i read only a tac nuc would work. and that would simply set them back a few years (and get tons of bad press for the Israelis... besides which, probably all the other countries would attack, including now Egypt, under M.B. control. and THEY have 400 M-1 tanks...)

remember, the Iranians are smart. they’re the ones who put together thousands of SCHREDDED documents, after they took our embassy...


19 posted on 06/08/2011 7:05:17 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: Kaslin

But the reactors are only for peaceful civilian power purposes /sarc


20 posted on 06/08/2011 7:22:15 PM PDT by F15Eagle (Prov 26:21 As coals are to burning coals, and wood to fire; so is a contentious man to kindle strife)
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To: Any Fate But Submission

The Samson Option is where Israel pulls nukes in on itself, to strike forces overrunning the country.

This was being considered in 1973.

Samson Option is not a strike outside of Israel.


21 posted on 06/08/2011 7:24:23 PM PDT by F15Eagle (Prov 26:21 As coals are to burning coals, and wood to fire; so is a contentious man to kindle strife)
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To: Sen Jack S. Fogbound

i second that !!! ...don’t need to take out all of Mecca. ONLY the kaada (black meteorite) needs to be destroyed.

and i agree about Obama. strange how after 40 years since he was in Indonesia muslim school, he was still able to recite the Muslim prayers perfectly, in a flawless accent. (according to the TIMES!) ...and that prayer, contains the shahada... the Muslim profession of faith “there is no god but Allah, and Mohammad is his messenger”. saying that, makes you a muslim according to muslims.


22 posted on 06/08/2011 7:25:20 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: familyop

..long list of links for evidence again, anyone?
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i’d be interested in reading some of them. both about Iran, and about Rice.

...that’s one of my main reasons for being on FR... to learn from people who have experience and knowledge i don’t.

...the only areas i claim good knowledge, is about Islam and the “global warming” hoax. every day here, i am surprised by what i learn here...


23 posted on 06/08/2011 7:31:13 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: Elendur
Bush on Israel: Heartburn for All
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1844641/posts

President Abbas asks Congress help to release PNA funds withheld by Israel
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1844647/posts

Bush releases money to Abbas
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1844646/posts

Rice: Better to have Hamas in power than in streets
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1733397/posts

Rice: Palestinians deserve to live free of ‘occupation’[at an event of pro-Palestinian group]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1717847/posts

US Supplies Fatah With Arms, Rice Decries “Occupation”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1718348/posts

Rice: Israel Must Withdraw from More than Gaza and Samaria
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1333354/posts

Disciples of Christ to Israel: Drop dead
http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-religion/1458942/posts

U.S. Presbyterians target five firms with Israel links
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1458765/posts

The Church Stares Into the Abyss (The dhimmitude of the Church of England)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1435084/posts

(Anti-Semitic) Anglican group urges Israel sanctions
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1430566/posts

Anglicans Call for Sanction on Investment in Israel to Uphold Justice
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1430772/posts

THE VATICAN AND THE STANDOFF AT THE CHURCH OF THE NATIVITY
http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp515.htm

Two United Methodist gatherings urge selective divestment from Israel (official anti-Israel United Methodist Website)
http://www.umc.org/site/c.gjJTJbMUIuE/b.886089/k.A105/Two_United_Methodist_gatherings_urge_selective_divestment_from_Israel.htm

world council of churches (WCC)
church & ecumenical relations
http://www.wcc-coe.org/wcc/what/ecumenical/index-e.html
"Among those churches which are not members of the WCC, the most notable is the Roman Catholic Church (RCC). Since 1965 a Joint Working Group (JWG), co-sponsored by the WCC and the RCC, has met regularly to discuss issues of common interest and promote cooperation. The group meets annually. One of the church and ecumenical relations staff members serves as co-secretary for the JWG and helps to coordinate contact between the Council and the dicasteries of the Vatican through the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity. [And] . . . Though the Roman Catholic Church is not a member of the WCC, it is a full member of the Faith & Order Commission. The RCC also serves the team on Mission & Evangelism in a consultative capacity."

President Bush Calls for New Palestinian Leadership
The Rose Garden
June 24, 2002
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/06/20020624-3.html
"The United States, the international donor community and the World Bank stand ready to work with Palestinians on a major project of economic reform and development. The United States, the EU, the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund are willing to oversee reforms in Palestinian finances, encouraging transparency and independent auditing."

Quartet Joint Statement
Summary
July 16, 2002: Text of a joint statement issued by the "Quartet" (United Nations, Russian Federation, the United States and the European Union) following their meeting in New York
[Document behind the link.]
http://europa-eu-un.org/articles/sk/article_1489_sk.htm
"The new international Task Force on Reform, which is comprised of representatives of the U.S., EU, UN Secretary General, Russia, Japan, Norway, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, and which works under the auspices of the Quartet, will strive to develop and implement a comprehensive action plan for reform."

...little more background material:

Rice: Israel Must Withdraw from More than Gaza and Samaria
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1333354/posts
February 1, 2005

Bush and Sharon disagree over Israel's future
Wednesday June 27, 2001
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,513410,00.html

Sharon presses Putin to drop UN resolution on road map
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1013908/posts
4 November 2003

Commencement Address at Boston College (Secretary Condoleezza Rice, Boston, Massachusetts, May 22, 2006. US Department of State)

Excerpts:

As a student of a Catholic high school, the Sisters of Loretta taught me, I am pleased to be at an institution of higher education with such strong and celebrated Catholic and Jesuit traditions . . . You see, I got my Master's Degree at Notre Dame. (Boos.) I acquired a passion for the fighting Irish . . . and my family has been college educated and Presbyterian ever since. (Laughter and applause.) . . . I wandered into a course on international politics taught by a Czech refugee who specialized in Soviet studies, a man who had a daughter by the name of Madeleine Albright. With that one class, I was hooked. I discovered that my passion was Russia and all things Russian.


24 posted on 06/08/2011 7:43:12 PM PDT by familyop (Rome was burnt in a day.)
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To: Elendur

For posts on Iran, go to

https://ssl.scroogle.org/

and enter the keyword string:

iran site:freerepublic.com

and work your way back. Enter a year before the rest of the keyword string to try to get posts from a particular year.


25 posted on 06/08/2011 7:48:18 PM PDT by familyop (Rome was burnt in a day.)
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To: familyop

Wow. From that 2001 article in June:

“Mr Bush pressed Mr Sharon to move ahead with the peace process”


26 posted on 06/08/2011 7:53:51 PM PDT by F15Eagle (Prov 26:21 As coals are to burning coals, and wood to fire; so is a contentious man to kindle strife)
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To: F15Eagle

Yes. Thank you for looking. I’m glad that Web page still exists. One point of argument against Israel a few years ago was the claim that Israel wanted to cease to exist, and that President Bush was only grudgingly agreeing.


27 posted on 06/08/2011 8:02:36 PM PDT by familyop (Rome was burnt in a day.)
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To: Kaslin
I think that Israel will wait until Iran successfully performs an underground test before initiating military action.
28 posted on 06/09/2011 6:03:03 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: familyop

awesome. thank you Sir.
(that will keep me busy for awhile!)


29 posted on 06/09/2011 4:53:57 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: F15Eagle; familyop

Wow! Rice said the same thing as Obama, 6 YEARS ago !!!

“The Road Map plan calls for a “viable” - i.e., territorially-contiguous - Arab state in Judea, Samaria and Gaza. Rice, as well, emphasized this point to Weisglass. This means that Gaza must be connected with a land-line to Judea, effectively dividing Israel in half, north and south of the Gaza-Hevron connection.”


30 posted on 06/09/2011 4:58:38 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: 2001convSVT

I think that Israel will wait until Iran successfully performs an underground test before initiating military action.
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why would they waste their precious tiny amount on an underground test?
...instead of testing it on a ship in NY or Tel Aviv harbor?


31 posted on 06/09/2011 5:03:48 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: Elendur

“Road Map” to Armageddon

http://www.thebereancall.org/node/2589


32 posted on 06/09/2011 6:22:08 PM PDT by F15Eagle (Prov 26:21 As coals are to burning coals, and wood to fire; so is a contentious man to kindle strife)
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To: Elendur
The same reason why we did the Trinity test in July of 45. They must be sure it works before mass producing the design. The North Koreans are planing another test, it could be an Iranian design, the last test they did were in the 2 to 4 it range. A plutonium design should be in the 17 to 20 kt range.
33 posted on 06/09/2011 7:26:57 PM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: 2001convSVT

As I understand it they only tested the Fat Man design. They were confident the Little Boy design would work and used it without testing.

But as you say, they’ll want to know, because they’ll want a smaller weapon to put on a missile.


34 posted on 06/09/2011 8:01:40 PM PDT by F15Eagle (Prov 26:21 As coals are to burning coals, and wood to fire; so is a contentious man to kindle strife)
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To: F15Eagle; 2001convSVT; familyop

They must be sure it works before mass producing the design.
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respectfully, ...and?

...a test is a test. there is no benefit for them to do it underground, as opposed to the cargo hold of ship offshore,
or even in the back of a 18 wheeler.

sure, there are dangers and logistical problems, but with the limiting factor now being the supply of fissionable material...

if it fails to detonate, they lose nothing. if it does, they still have their data, AND they kill a lot of Jews, which is their “prime directive”.


35 posted on 06/10/2011 3:50:03 AM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: F15Eagle

“Road Map” to Armageddon

http://www.thebereancall.org/node/2589
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thank you Sir, that is an EXCELLENT article. great summary.

...it covers MANY aspects, in history, religion, etc.

i would only add a few minor quibbles.
1) they repeatedly speak of the word of Mohammad being unchangable. incorrect.
the Quran is the eternal unchanging unchangable word of ALLAH. (Mohammad was only the messenger, much as PROPHET Joseph Smith was give the power to translate, by God.)

2) they went straight from ancient history to current, ignoring the Balfour declaration, and a binding international agreement to Create a much larger Israel than today.
here, just over 2:00 in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gUygq_RtgQ

3) they also omitted the very real miracle predicted in the Bible, that Israel would be recreated “in a single day”.
It is amazing enough, for an ancient Nation to be recreated. Poland did it. but, the UN DID do it, in a single day. This should get the attention even of an atheist...

rest of the article was great, top notch. i wish you would post it by itself as an article. thanks !


36 posted on 06/10/2011 4:01:54 AM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: Elendur

I assure you those guys are well aware of Isaiah 66:8

:)


37 posted on 06/10/2011 3:29:37 PM PDT by F15Eagle (Prov 26:21 As coals are to burning coals, and wood to fire; so is a contentious man to kindle strife)
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