Skip to comments.Undersheriff: Montana Manhunt Target a Survivalist
Posted on 06/14/2011 5:57:40 AM PDT by nuconvert
MISSOULA, Mont. Authorities searching a 30-square-mile swath of rugged Montana forest for a former militia leader and survivalist say the man was prepared for his shootout with sheriff's deputies and left several caches of food in the area.
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He’s going to shoot them with a Twinkie?
Seems night vision should make it fairly easy to find this little needle in the haystack.
Maybe it’s a heavy caliber Twinkie.
By the end of the week, this will have gotten more ‘air-time’ than all the ‘flash-mob’ events combined.
Maybe this time Bigfoot will get it from the Alphabet Soup Gang. Night vision isn’t all it’s cracked up to be if you hide by night and move by day.
Ambitious bastards, ain't they?
I always wonder what these guys are thinking. Assuming they defeat the Guard, an unlikely eventuality, do they think the government will just roll over and surrender? They prepared to take on tanks and helicopter gunships? Not to mention Seal Team Six.
Send in the SWAT team from Arizona.
This could become a really, really popular diagnosis in the very near future.
People wonder what revolution will look like. I think it looks like this.
‘Night vision isnt all its cracked up to be if you hide by night and move by day.”
Perhaps I’m thinking the thermal imaging systems and not ‘night vision’ per se. Its a big area. Hopefully nobody will get hurt.
“Seems night vision should make it fairly easy to find this little needle in the haystack.”
That’s what they said about Eric Rudolph.
The communists liked to use “mental illness” as an excuse to lock up dissidents.
Of course, to a communist, even BEING a “dissident” is proof of “mental illness”.
Most of the time you hear of grand plans like this its from some informant. Typically as part of some drunken rambling and not as a coherent plan.
Still it helps build funding for those swat teams and special weapons.
Yes, difference is Eric was hiding out in the Ozarks wasn’t he. Still very rough country but the population density is a lot higher than Montana.
Won’t be easy to find him if he doesn’t want to be found.
It’s an automatic, assault twinkie with an extended magazine.
If that’s the case, the Bradys are probably writing a bill to ban it. More Twinkie control!
Not necessarily. If he’s smart, he knows how to hide from IR and FLIR.
It can be hard to find people who want to be found ie lost hunters hikers ect.
If this guy is well armed and in the mind set to shoot people there well be a fair number of dead officers
My guess he is more talk then action othr wise we would be hearing of dead officers all ready.
In a search like this it is a target rich environment for the hunted.
"You aren't really paranoid if they actually ARE out to get you."
Over-throwing THIS government? Probably not a bad idea considering it isn't the one outlined in the Constitution...
As a corollary, he probably isn't nearly the danger they are making him out to be either then...
“You must never have search for some one in a big forested area.”
Actually I have, even used night vision.
My guess is he’s not as dangerous as they’ve made him out to be and probably doesn’t want to hurt anyone. Just doesn’t want to go to jail for his political beliefs.
Be careful when answering the door.
From the August 2002 Idaho Observer:
Burgert trial witness lists facts that contradict Daily InterLake lies and deceit
Kalispell case proves oppressive regimes enjoy cooperation from puppet presses
Kalispell-area resident Mike Heit knows Dave Burgert very well. He watched as his friend was pepper sprayed and arrested by Flathead county sheriff’s deputies while legaly serving process. He watched as Flathead county tortured his friend by putting a hood on him while the pepper spray burned into him for almost an hour. He watched as the international news picked up the local story that Burgert was part of Project 7 — a group of militant anti-government extremists that had a lot of guns and bombs and a list of public officials targeted for execution. The international news media dropped the story because it wasn’t true. The FBI didn’t even conduct more than a cursory investigation because there was no evidence. That didn’t matter, since the intended impression had been indelibly etched into the minds of the Daily Inter Lake’s readers.
It all started with an angry email last Thanksgiving weekend. Burgert, a seasoned search and rescue volunteer, circulated a rather profane and ill-advised email after a 14-year-old boy needlessly died of exposure. Probably in an effort to boost his chances for reelection in 2002, Sheriff Jim Dupont decided not to call search and rescue when it was learned the boy was missing. It reportedly took the sheriff and his deputies six hours just to find where the trail began. The boy had died of exposure by the time the inept sheriff found him. Burgert blamed the death on the sheriff because he and his crew, who know every rock and tree in the area and who should have been called, would have found him still alive.
There is more to it. Burgert had also taken the city of Kalispell and the county of Flathead to task on several occasions. He had also been serving civil process on corrupt local authorities. One might say that the local corruption had enough of Burgert and decided that he had to go.
The local media participated in the conviction of Burgert. Their crimes in this matter were eloquently stated by Heit, who was just notified that he is now being charged with using profanity on the phone with a Flathead county jailor who was allegedly tampering with Burgert’s mail.
The following 4,800-word letter has been edited down for space. The punch line, the final paragraph, is left intact. Indeed, may God have mercy on their souls for what they have done to support the ruination of a country.
[much more at link] http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20020805.htm
National Guard? Is this really their job? Oh, that’s right...Brian “Swindler” Schweitzer (D) is the governor.
So let me get this straight: this guy is not accused of killing or robbing anyone, but just owning scary-looking weapons?
Something tells me that every rancher in Montana will be helping this guy stay out of gummint hands.
“I’d think you want to get most of the federal leadership in one strike. Say state of the union with a nuke???? “
No, all you need to do is leak the Twitter addresses of some hot girls and boys.
he’s hunkered down with a shortwave radio someplace, trying to remember what station Alex Jones is on again
Be careful when answering the door.
Yep, he might get shot. This is Montana, afterall.
FACT: According to a statement made under oath by a Montana Highway Patrol Officer in the hearing, Judge Ortley thinks there is something criminal or sinister about being a Constitutionalist. The Patrol officer stated under oath that he, ...knew they were Constitutionalist and we feared for our lives.
You might be surprised how ineffective NVG can be for someone in the forest that does not want to be found. I have been on two searches for lost hunters in relatively open terrain. Both times it was dogs that found them not NVG.
I was referring to his comment reflecting violence upon those who are better than you and I.
Get you killed, is all.
20M or 50M handguns, and rifles, can do quite a bit. Especially if some of the army starts defecting.
But the question was, "What good can a handgun do against an Army?
And the answer to that is, "Very little."
Well, yeah. Where else would you expect to get it from?
And it's always difficult to distinguish between dangerous nuts who will actually follow through on their plans, like McVeigh, and non-dangerous nuts who just talk a big game.
If the hijackers had all been arrested before boarding on 9/11, the claim would have been that it was all just big talk, and they couldn't really have carried out such a preposterous plan.
Drones in Pakistan and Yemen ... Press, Justice System and swat teams in America.
Perhaps next time you can keep my comments in context. shazzaaam!
There’s a huge difference between a bunch of drunks sitting around and talking stupidly and people plotting to overthrow the govt.
If you/they don’t know the difference perhaps you should quit and get a job at the 711.
As for the 9/11 hijackers. There was significant intelligence indicating there was a real threat. Only it was largely ignored.
Or ya can go to McVeigh, where they knew he was going to do it and ignored him.
Oh, okay. Well, let's retroactively apologize to the French Resistance for these:
Naw... We have drones HERE too!
Methinks someone has been watchinh a bit too much Sly Stallone ;-)
You have anything resembling evidence the Liberators were effective against the Germany Army? Did they drive them out of France? Did they even seriously impede their operations?
I seem to recall the French Resistance being pretty ineffective militarily, even when using weapons considerably more powerful.
In fact, I believe a rather large actual army, several in fact, was required to defeat the German Army.
Oh, okay. Well, you will need to tell a lot of people and authors. These researchers and historians are sadly mistaken, and you need to let them know!
Just a few quick examples for you to get busy on:
Right again on all points!
IOW, the French Resistance was a useful auxiliary to millions of men invading France. I never said otherwise. I said they were militarily ineffective, that by themselves they could have never defeated the German Army or driven them out of France. They could only, in the long run, have died, had the Allied invasion not occurred.
Which is pretty much what I said in the beginning about the military value of a single handgun. By itself, all it can realistically do is get you killed. Possibly you will die proud of yourself, which may be worth it, but you will still die.
The “moral force” repeatedly quoted in your sources can be less upliftingly phrased this way: The existence of the Resistance, despite its lack of general support from Frenchmen, especially in the early days, and of real military effectiveness, especially before the invasion by the Allies, allowed the French to build up a great post-war myth of The Resistance as French heroism.
There were Resistance movements that actually gave the Axis real military problems, the most notable being in Yugoslavia, where they tied down 38 divisions, despite there being no realistic possibility of an Allied invasion.
Meanwhile, despite a massive invasion force forming just across the straits, the Germans had only 57 divisions in France, Netherlands and Belgium.
I believe in the importance of resistance to tyranny, armed resistance when necessary.
I also believe it is important to engage in such resistance with a clear head, not blinded by illusions of overthrowing tyranny with a single handgun.
Also, one handgun is what you start with with you are assembling your 20 million you say DOES make a difference.