Posted on 06/22/2011 12:44:33 PM PDT by TEXOKIE
Ya know, they don’t need a plan to reduce the population.
For some reason, as nations advance in technology, reproduction craters.
It looks like population will bottom out at about 10% of the current level, then start to rise again.
There is nothing wrong with low population except that you usually get overrun by more fecund barbarians. Hmmm...
IMO the only population that needs to be reduced is those who believe in the “Liberal” ideology and/or have the “elitist” mentality. And when I say population reduced, I mean, changing minds, not killing (like they do).
Interesting point. Thanks for pointing out that there are historical cycles. That is quite relevant...but imho the modern move towards low population has been artificially “nudged” on us as well for quite a number of years. (ie, Erlich’s “Population Bomb” and the forced abortion policy in China, other policies and mutterings and peepings in the lamestream media and power elite circles.)
There has also been a wholesale “nudging” of the populace away from spirituality and adoration of God in all societies, even in China, where people have been driven from their traditional religions (talk to the Fallon Gong for example) into one of materialism. This imho fosters a selfishness and desire on the part of the person to not reproduce in too many cases.
LOL! well said! I liked your clarification at the end of your comment! ;-D
Second to losing our reverence for God, I think the issue is that kids have gone from the “Credit” column to the “Debit” column.
Responsible people have to properly feed, cloth, and educate their children. They don’t (can’t?) look to their children to take care of them when they grow old. That is for “pensions,” “social security,” and savings.
Third worlders and welfare parasites don’t have these issues.
Third worlders’ children are still assets. They expect to care for their elders.
Welfare parasites actually get checks for their bastard children and keep on getting checks when they “retire.”
Thanks for the ping!
I think you have hit on some important elements of the overall equation. Thanks.
Ping list exercised for this thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2738418/posts?q=1&;page=508#508
Posting of an article from last spring about the National ID Card.
Ping list exercised for this thread on Fed plans to control back yard puddles as navigable waterways:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2808100/posts?page=1
this is to correct the link above to the thread on the National ID card.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2815021/posts
Thought the Agenda21 folks might like to see today’s toons, Pookie!
A21 folks, especially check out the 6th one from the top with McCain and Obama talking about water boarding!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2815054/posts?page=1
Ping list exercised. This regards the FDA’s move to regulate food supplements against the Congressional intent of the 1994 law.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2815543/posts?page=1
Film discussion of this topic by Dr. Mercola can be found here:
http://healthimpactnews.com/2011/red-alert-fda-set-to-ban-your-supplements/
Ping list exercised for this thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2818243/posts?page=1
This regards the stand of many county sheriffs for the Constitution. There are links on the thread available for sheriff organizations doing this work.
Here is a repost of the entry in which the links to the sheriff organizations are listed:
Pinging the Agenda21 folks!
This is about the FDA interference of Farmers selling fresh products directly to the public...and a local sheriff stood up to them.
For other information on this subject, I just received this email regarding the efforts of sheriffs on behalf of our Constitution:
Sheriff’s Stand To Help Save America - Following Our Founding Fathers:
Please consider donating $1.00 (more is better!) It would be ‘something’ to give encouragement to the courageous action of dedicated sheriffs who need to meet on Jan. 30, 2012 for the saving of America. With the betrayal of our federal government, if the military/police follow their orders...our sheriffs who stand with the constitution are a great hope for America. They need our support and prayers:
http://www.cspoa.org/
http://www.countysheriffproject.org/
http://www.sheriffmack.com/
http://www.defendruralamerica.com/DRA/Home.html
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However, if you feel uncomfortable with sending any personal info over the net, I’m sure that you as a FReeper have other ways to support this worthy effort. Some of the sites give snail mail addresses for those who have the concern about using credit cards online, etc.
Ping list exercised for the thread regarding Lord Christopher Monckton’s report on the climate change meeting which concluded today.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2818264/posts?page=1
Ping exercised for thread regarding the topic of the EPA’s recent comments/findings on fracking and ground water.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2818601/posts?page=16
http://www.montanakaimin.com/law-student-documents-missoula-water-sale-1.2613391
Law Student Documents Missoula Water Sale
In 2000, people in Cochamba, Bolivia revolted because Bechtel Enterprises, a multinational corporation, drove up water prices — the poor were not even allowed to collect rainwater.
Monday, a former senior vice president of Bechtel testified at a hearing in the Missoula City Council Chambers because his current employer, the Carlyle Group, wants to own Missoula’s water supply.
The Carlyle Group manages about $153 billion in assets, according to its website, and announced in December that it would use a portion of those assets to buy Park Water, which controls Missoula’s water supply. The company has since offered about $100 million for the company.
And while many students may not have heard about this situation, at least one student has. She’s heard a lot about it.
Second year law student Ada Montague has been blogging since the beginning of the semester about Carlyle Group’s desire to merge its Western Water Holdings LLC with Park Water.
A law student with a bachelor’s degree in land planning, Montague is passionate about natural resources and their legal protection. She has to be, to spend so much time documenting an exhaustive process like this one.
“The story is ever-evolving,” Montague said. “So it’s hard to keep on top of it all.”
She’s not doing it alone, though. She and her adviser, law professor Michelle Bryan Mudd, have partnered with journalism Professor Nadia White to put together the blog. Both Montague and White agree that people, especially Missoulians, need to know who controls their water.
“Montana, like all Western states, is water-poor, despite being at the headwaters of some great rivers,” White said. “And protecting the state’s access to water is part of what the interveners in the case are worried about.”
The interveners, whose job is to make sure Missoula’s water can be entrusted to the new owners, are the City of Missoula, the Clark Fork Coalition, the Montana Consumer Council and the Public Service Commission.
Caitlin Copple, who is running for a City Council seat in Ward 4, said the problem with privatized utilities is that people don’t get to have a say. And although Carlyle Group Managing Director Robert Dove said the group will not increase consumer water rates to an unreasonable level, Copple said she still doesn’t trust the company to try to please Missoulians.
“They have excellent representatives and they’re going to say what they’ll say to get what they want,” Copple said. “And that’s unfortunately our water.”
Montague’s blog is at etalnews.org/missoulawater.
rebecca.calabrese@umontana.edu
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I received this link yesterday, and when I went to the site, I got an announcement that it had been pulled, 12/8/11. However, for some reason, the story came up. I copied it and pasted it below.
It regards Federal Agents demanding customer lists of people who are buying food storage from Mormon a cannery.
December 8th, 2011
STORY PULLED: Oath Keepers Alert: Federal Agents Demand Customer Lists From Mormon Food Storage Facility
Oath Keepers has learned that federal agents recently visited a Latter Day Saints (Mormon) Church food storage cannery in Tennessee, demanding customer lists, wanting to know the identity of Americans who are purchasing food storage from the Mormons.
This incident was confirmed, in person, by Oath Keepers Tennessee Chapter President, Rand Cardwell. Here is Rand’s report:
“A fellow veteran contacted me concerning a new and disturbing development. He had been utilizing a Mormon cannery near his home to purchase bulk food supplies. The man that manages the facility relayed to him that federal agents had visited the facility and demanded a list of individuals that had been purchasing bulk food. The manager informed the agents that the facility kept no such records and that all transactions were conducted on a cash-and-carry basis. The agents pressed for any record of personal checks, credit card transactions, etc., but the manager could provide no such record. The agents appeared to become very agitated and after several minutes of questioning finally left with no information. I contacted the manager and personally confirmed this information.
This event points to a new level of federal government encroachment on the basic freedoms of the American people. Likewise, it points to a confused policy within federal agencies. The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), in their “Are You Ready?” guide to “In Depth Citizen Preparedness” recommends that citizens store emergency supplies, including bulk food, in the event of a natural disaster or man-made event (the new politically correct term applied to a terrorist attack). The FEMA guidance is spot-on as it allows individuals and families to be self-sufficient during an emergency situation.
And here in Tennessee, we just learned that Nashville Metro Public Health and the Tennessee Department of Health are conducting “door-to-door assessment of disaster preparedness … using a tool designed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to go door to door and check to see how disaster ready you are. .. in 30 neighborhoods in Davidson County [TN] that have been randomly selected to be the target of a door to door assessment.” I have confirmed that that is a state run effort.
So on the one hand, government agencies both state and federal are urging you to be prepared and even checking up on you to see how prepared you are, and on the other hand, we now have federal agencies that are attempting to gather information on individuals that are following FEMA suggestions. What is the reasoning behind gathering this information? Are American citizens now being “listed” by DHS if they are simply following FEMA guidance and purchasing bulk food and emergency supplies for their families? It appears as so.
This should be a red flag to all Americans. Not unlike the “trip wires” identified in the Oath Keepers list of orders that will not be obeyed, this incident should be considered as further evidence that our federal government is out of control. What business is it of the government if any of us purchase and store bulk food? Answer: It is none of their damn business! Maybe during the next Katrina-type event federal agents will storm your home to take your food stores along with your firearms. We can only theorize as to the motives of the government for this type of “list” being developed, but it goes against the very fabric of what a free people should allow by our government.” – Rand Cardwell.
Additional comments by Stewart Rhodes, Founder of Oath Keepers:
As Rand noted, it was fortunate that this particular cannery does not keep records of its customers. And Rand is correct that this is a very serious red flag. There’s a very good reason why one of the top ten orders that active duty Oath Keepers will refuse to obey is “We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.” As our Declaration of Orders We Will Not Obey goes on to state:
“Deprivation of food has long been a weapon of war and oppression, with millions intentionally starved to death by fascist and communist governments in the 20th Century alone.
Accordingly, we will not obey or facilitate orders to confiscate food and other essential supplies from the people, and we will consider all those who issue or carry out such orders to be the enemies of the people.”
If those who carry out such orders to confiscate food are enemies of the people, then that same label also fits anyone in the government compiling lists of Americans who store food. There is no legitimate reason for the Department of Homeland Security to compile such lists. Al Qaida suicide bombers are not known to store powdered milk and buckets of wheat. Nor are they known to store away dehydrated carrots and instant potatoes, or fruit punch mix for the kids. But the Mormons are known to do so, and so are many other Americans who have the common sense and maturity to take personal responsibility for ensuring that their families will have food, come what may.
It is part of Mormon Church religious doctrine to store food for hard times and emergencies, with a recommendation that each family store a year’s worth of basic dry goods along with three months worth of store-bought canned and boxed foods. To facilitate that practice, the Mormon Church runs its own food storage canneries selling powdered milk, wheat, flour, rice and beans, sugar, salt, and various other dry goods either in bulk 50 lb bags or in #10 cans for long term food storage (up to 30 years for some items). These Church canneries also often sell food storage items to non-church members, seeing it as both morally right and prudent to help their neighbors store food, whatever their faith. The cannery in Tennessee that was “visited” by federal agents follows that practice of helping the general public become better prepared.
So why do federal agents want to know who is storing away long-term food storage? We suspect it is for the following reasons:
1. DHS/FEMA wants to know which Americans have food storage so the federal government can at some future point confiscate that food. Just as with lists of gun owners, compiling such lists is the first step toward future confiscation.
2. DHS wants to identify those Americans who are “switched on” and squared away enough to actually store food for coming hard times (such as during an economic collapse). That population of awake, aware, and prepared Americans poses a “threat” to whatever DHS and its masters have in store for the American people, and as Joseph Stalin so ably demonstrated, one of the easiest ways to subjugate defiant people is to confiscate their food and starve them into submission.
The federal government already tipped their hand by sending the FBI to military surplus stores (as we reported), gun stores, and pawn shops to encourage those businesses to spy on their customers who buy MRE’s (Meals Ready to Eat), bipods, “night flashlights”, high capacity magazines, rifle bipods, and bulk ammo. Maybe some of you fooled yourselves into thinking there might be some legitimate reason for them to track purchases of such items. But powdered milk and wheat berries? Those are hardly items that could be used in a terrorist attack. It must be the storage of food itself that the feds now find so offensive and so “dangerous.”
And while the door-to-door preparedness assessments in Tennessee appears to be well intended (and we spoke with a friendly state preparedness officer who said it was motivated by the recent natural disasters in Tennessee), Americans are well justified in being concerned about such efforts and how that information may be used in the future, in light of these other well documented and confirmed incidents of federal law enforcement collecting information on those who purchase preparedness items and indicating that the purchases of those items may be “indicators of terrorist activity.”
If you are one of the many Americans who still have on rose-colored glasses, or who still have your head buried in the sand (or stuck somewhere else warm and dark), it is time to pull your head out and face the reality of what the federal government is telling you by the actions of its agents. Those actions show both what they fear and their intent. What they fear are prepared, equipped, and “switched on” Americans, and their intent is to identify who they are, where they are, and then plan on dealing with them when the time comes. And rest assured that time will come. The recent U.S. Senate passage of S. 1867, which authorizes military detention and trial of U.S, citizens under the international laws of war (as if we were conquered Iraq or Afghanistan) is also an expression of their intent, and their contempt for the Bill of Rights.
Clearly, in light of the above, if you purchase food storage, along with any other preparedness items, you should be concerned about those purchases being tracked and your name winding up on some government list. But don’t let that stop you from storing food and other essential supplies, and don’t let this disturbing incident keep you from using your local Mormon cannery to do so. You need to get prepared. But do it while following the advice of James Wesley, Rawles over at www.survivalblog.com, who repeatedly urges his readers to “think OPSEC!” – if at all possible, buy with cash and pick it up in person, just like the customers of this particular cannery did, which left the “agitated” agents empty handed and frustrated. Good. That is as it should be. Don’t make it easy on them. And if you have not yet begun to store food, now is certainly a good time to start. You’re going to need it. Time is short, and you need to be prepared for what is coming. “Are You Ready?” indeed. – Stewart Rhodes
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Very worthwhile post.
Thanks.
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