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A National ID Card For American Citizens? Get Ready The Real ID Act Goes Into Effect On May 11
End of the American Dream ^ | March1, 2011 | Michael

Posted on 12/01/2011 10:02:54 PM PST by Texas Fossil

For a moment, imagine a future where you are not able to drive a car, get on a plane, get on a train, vote, enter a federal building, open a bank account or get a job without a national ID card. You don't think that could ever happen in America? Well, you might want to brush up on the Real ID Act because it is going to go into effect on May 11, 2011 unless something is done to stop it. When I first learned this, I was absolutely stunned. After all, wasn't the Real ID Act supposed to be "dead"? A few years ago state legislatures across the nation were in an uproar over this law. The Department of Homeland Security was forced to delay implementation of it several times. But now it is back. You see, this is what the federal government often does. They will try to push something very unpopular through, and if they meet resistance they will "play dead" until the uproar has died down and then they will come right back and implement it anyway. This is what is happening with the Real ID Act.

As of May 11, all driver's licenses across the United States will be required to conform to federal national security standards. In essence, our licenses are now going to be federalized.

(Excerpt) Read more at endoftheamericandream.com ...


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This is an old article, but I only found it today. And am horrified.

I renewed my Texas Drivers License today and got a shock. Previously I had my fingerprints taken electronically. BUT today they had a new camera to take my picture for the license. The photo was taken from much farther away. There were much brighter flash systems attached.

I asked the attendant "did this take my retina scan?" She said yes. (biometric identification)

They have done it. Talk about "mark of the beast" and they have silenced any discussion of this. NONE.

God help the United States of America.

1 posted on 12/01/2011 10:03:03 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

I renewed my NYS license today and was given the option of keeping my decade-old license photo.


2 posted on 12/01/2011 10:09:33 PM PST by ntnychik
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To: ntnychik

This is not about the photo, but about the retina scan.

I still cannot believe they actually did this.


3 posted on 12/01/2011 10:12:09 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil; Mr. Silverback; cripplecreek; NoLibZone; Lucky9teen; Pete; bicyclerepair; apillar; ...

Agenda 21 ping!

Please Freepmail me if you want to be on or off this list.

It is a relatively low volume list. We have been studying the UN AGENDA 21 and related topics for the past several months and have collected links and our insights on the Agenda 21 thread which can be found here:

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4 posted on 12/01/2011 10:18:34 PM PST by TEXOKIE (... and Merry Christmas to all FREEPERS EVERYWHERE!)
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To: Texas Fossil; ntnychik
Pursuant to the Department of Homeland Security's REAL ID regulation, States were to be in full compliance with the REAL ID Act of 2005 by May 11, 2011. A final rule issued March 7, 2011 changes that date to January 15, 2013. This change gives States the time necessary to ensure that driver's licenses and identification cards issued by States meet the security requirements of the REAL ID Act.

REAL ID Act

5 posted on 12/01/2011 10:19:30 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Texas Fossil

I guess when mine comes up again, I’ll have to develop some real squinty eyes!


6 posted on 12/01/2011 10:20:24 PM PST by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: Texas Fossil

We need a national ID in order to have valid elections and stop vote fraud.


7 posted on 12/01/2011 10:21:20 PM PST by tommix2
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To: tommix2

Yes, a photo ID for voting is not an issue.

But a by stealth retina scan is not acceptable.

Clearly mark of the beast technology. This will not end well.


8 posted on 12/01/2011 10:27:39 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Pontiac

It appears it is already implemented in Texas.

Sadly. I discovered to my horror.


9 posted on 12/01/2011 10:29:24 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Pontiac

So the Real ID Act of 2005 was so urgent and important to combat terrorism, congress was able to put off its implementation eight years.


10 posted on 12/01/2011 10:29:45 PM PST by umgud
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To: Texas Fossil; blam; Alamo-Girl; SunkenCiv; Las Vegas Dave; ex-Texan; Amityschild; AngieGal; ...

END TIMES PING LIST PING.

To another END TIMES incremental march toward the mark of the beast.

Of course, there can’t be ANY Marxist/globalist/Federalist/Othuga conspiracy involved.

Otherwise, we’d would have to consider it a joke, a farce, an untruth. True conspiracies are intolerable bits of truth to thin-skinned conservatives who are so allergic to truth in such matters. So, denial has to be the order of the day.

Move along. Nothing here. Be sure to pass close enough to the ID chip detector/scanner in order to exit the area. Those without proper ID will be unable to leave the area until they have been finger printed and their retinas scanned.


11 posted on 12/01/2011 10:31:36 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: tommix2

Everyone in any run of the mill totalitarian state has a “national ID” of some sort and their elections are wholly fraudulent.


12 posted on 12/01/2011 10:31:52 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Texas Fossil

I don’t see the problem with a national ID. I already have two... One is a passport, the other is a driver’s license. you need one or the other to fly.

Seems it would make it real easy for a employer to verify...


13 posted on 12/01/2011 10:32:30 PM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: Quix

“To another END TIMES incremental march toward the mark of the beast.”

What the heal are you talking about? That’s tinfoil stuff. For GOD’s sake we need to be able to identify illegals...


14 posted on 12/01/2011 10:36:21 PM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: Texas Fossil

Retina “scans” have a range of a few inches at best.The DMV clerk didn’t know what they were talking about.


15 posted on 12/01/2011 10:39:01 PM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: babygene
John 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

It is a sign of the times we are in. This will not end well for the U.S.

16 posted on 12/01/2011 10:41:35 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: babygene

Are you REALLY THAT uninformed?

Have you been living in Carlsbad caverns?


17 posted on 12/01/2011 10:44:12 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: umgud
I am guessing that the states returned comments to the proposed regulations that the implementation of the act would cost them allot of money and time would be required to get the necessary technology and trained people to operate the equipment.

You don’t do things like this overnight.

18 posted on 12/01/2011 10:47:05 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Texas Fossil

And what did John in 13:16 say specifically about an ID card?

My first job (the Navy) I had one, Then I got a driver’s license, then a passport, and a social security card. And yes my first employer gave me one, now I also have a VA card, a medicare card, a HP retirement insurance card, a concealed carry card. Sprint can trace where I am at any minute of the day through GPS...

What’s this crap about the “sign of the beast”. I think you are off your meds...


19 posted on 12/01/2011 10:53:22 PM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: tommix2
We need a national ID in order to have valid elections and stop vote fraud.

Too bad this has nothing to do with voting.

20 posted on 12/01/2011 10:53:24 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Little Pig

Now don’t go round being the voice of sanity on the deranged threads, you’ll get a reputation.


21 posted on 12/01/2011 10:55:52 PM PST by Valpal1 (I have a dream... Herman Cain being sworn in by Clarence Thomas.)
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To: Quix

“Are you REALLY THAT uninformed?”

Inform me. But don’t give me that crap about the sign of the beast... How is being able to identify citizens a bad thing?


22 posted on 12/01/2011 10:57:44 PM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: Little Pig

You may be correct. But how about an iris scan?

http://www.answers.com/topic/retina-and-iris-scans#ixzz1fMBGocJH

“In contrast to the retinal scanners, iris scanners are of two main types: active and passive. The active system works from 3 to 14 inches and also requires the user to move forward and backwards so the camera is adjusted properly. In contrast the passive system can work over longer distances one to three feet. The main technology developer is Iridian Technologies, which holds the patents to the concepts and technologies involved.”

I must admit the distance from the camera was over 14”, more like 4-5 feet.

I appreciate you input, you seem confident in your answer concerning retina scans. The photo feature contrast on the picture they printed seemed hard. Wonder what they were doing?


23 posted on 12/01/2011 10:59:26 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: babygene; Quix

I’m not an End Times/mark of beast believer but I absolutely ABHOR and LOATHE any type of national ID, mark, chip, etc. HATE IT!

It’s more government tyranny, control and unconstitutional viciousness ultimately leading to gulags and the killing fields. I have all the IDs I need and I want the government to neither know nor care about me.


24 posted on 12/01/2011 11:02:27 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: Texas Fossil

The photo was taken from much farther away. There were much brighter flash systems attached.

Unless the DOT has develope new technology this does not sound at all like a retina scan


25 posted on 12/01/2011 11:02:56 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: little jeremiah

“I want the government to neither know nor care about me.”

There are over 300 million people in this country. Trust me, they don’t...


26 posted on 12/01/2011 11:05:16 PM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: babygene
a mark ...or in their foreheads

Is the pattern of the retina or the iris not a mark? The eye is certainly in the forehead.

As far as "meds" are concerned, I take none. None at all. But it is obvious that our "perspective" is not the same.

27 posted on 12/01/2011 11:06:07 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil

“Is the pattern of the retina or the iris not a mark? The eye is certainly in the forehead.”

That’s silly... Have you ever been finger printed? Well yes of course you have. They can at times be close to your forehead when you comb your hair. Does that count?

Do you have a cell phone? If you do then somebody knows where you are all the time. I’m sure the government could go to them and they would give it to them. If you don’t gave an approved driver’s license or a passport or some other picture ID you can’t travel.


28 posted on 12/01/2011 11:14:04 PM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: Texas Fossil
I have one for Hong Kong. It's mandatory for China and it's SARs. I breeze through immigration by going through a kiosk.

Beijing has a better understanding of how many people make up their population. Where as we just guess with the census.

Pros and cons to the ID card here in the US.

It wont be used to prosecute illegal immigrants here in the US, but to punish US Citizens.

You think standing in line at the DMV is aggravating, wait till you have to go to the DHS for your Real ID.

29 posted on 12/01/2011 11:14:14 PM PST by VicVega (GEAUX SAINTS, GEAUX LSU.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Just wait until they can get the functionality of a smart phone on a chip small enough to wear under your skin...

I showed some people at work an article about the company that was collecting smart phone data... she didn’t say anything at first and I thought she didn’t get it. After a few minutes out of the blue she said. “That’s really creepy”

Thats exactly it. It is creepy.


30 posted on 12/01/2011 11:25:43 PM PST by desertfreedom765
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To: Texas Fossil

It is far more likely that it was a facial recognition scan to determine if you have other driver’s licenses with different identities.


31 posted on 12/01/2011 11:31:39 PM PST by Valpal1 (I have a dream... Herman Cain being sworn in by Clarence Thomas.)
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To: desertfreedom765

Creepy indeed.

I hate cell phones. At times carry one, but most of the time I don’t.

I love technology, but hate the intrusive tracking.

May go back to HF spectrum. Getting really sick of the negative application of the web.

I am old enough and I might just drop-out of sight for a while. The economic clouds on the horizon have ominous overtones to Big Brother (or Big Sis)


32 posted on 12/01/2011 11:32:17 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: babygene; Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; Ann de IL; aposiopetic; aragorn; auggy; ..
1. The Bible is, to most of us on FR, THE WORD OF GOD. Last I checked, this was STILL a basically Christian website where the Bible is revered and respected and trusted.

2. Some 'Christians' do not believe all of it--as incongruous and cognitively dissonant as that logically is.

3. You've already had the verse quoted to you about the Mark of The Beast. Ignore it at your eternal peril.

4. I've studied globalism for 45 years. The plan to ID folks and to prevent those not marching lock-step with the Marxist/globalist world government has been in the works for a very long time.

5. I was in charge of the university library's Special Collections dept that held the Norman Allderdice Collection. It is now in Berkeley here:

http://www.oac.cdlib.org/view?docId=kt6000265m&view=dsc&style=oac4&dsc.position=7501

6. Some of their plans are asserted in their own words here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2747532/posts?page=45#45

7. Since OThuga's installment in the Whitehouse, as the Designated Destroyer In Chief, the rush toward the tyrannical Marxist global government on the trashed heaps of the US economy etc. etc. etc. has been accelerated a LOT.

8. Every week some new incremental frog-in-the-bucket move or even a great jump toward the global tyranny is published even in the Main Stream Media. That's because the globalists are increasingly arrogant and brazenly convinced that they CANNOT be stopped at this point. Which is true.

9. The Bible is quite clear that there will be a world government in the same era which sees Israel return to the Holy Land as a Nation in a day--which happened in 1948.

10. Sure, it's good to ID terrorists etc.

11. However, that's a farce. They would create 100 dramatic crises any and every way they could in order to put the sheeple under their heavy black boots every way they can.

12. There's reliable ways for States to handle ID's. The globalists are insisting it be at the FEDERAL levels. They want FEDERAL !!!!CONTROL!!!! of everything. Evidently you haven't been paying attention.

13. We now have laws on the books against food supplements; growing our own food; etc. etc. etc.

14. I wonder if you're even aware that travel has become much more gestapo oriented.

15. I don't know why I bother with such ignorance any more. The handwriting is on every large wall in neon lights. Only the willfully blind are still ignorant.

16. Just for giggles . . .
A) What DO YOU THINK OThuga's demand for a National police force funded as robustly as our military is for?
B) Why does he insist on 'SPREADING THE WEALTH?'

C) Why is there such a rush to crash the USA's standard of living down to the global lowest common denominator?

D) Why is he such a suck-up to Islam?

E) Why is he so intent on defunding so much of our military?
F) Why does he HATE America so and what is he doing with that hate?

G) Why is corporate and legislative, judicial and administrative Federal level corruption so rampant and outrageously extreme and getting worse?

H) Why has the health care system been engineered to facilitate the early deaths of 'useless eaters' when we reach 67 and 70 with any significant illness? It's now FEDERAL law/regulations that such folks be given only 'COMFORTING' medications--NOTHING to cure them. I'm 65, BTW. I assure you the VA system is gearing up accordingly.

I) Why are small business people being taxed, regulated and pressured out of existence?
J) Why are small family farms being bought up, regulated out of existence and generally destroyed?

K) What do abortion, homosexuality, wars, food related disasters and draconian regulations etc. all have in common?

L) Why are the loftier 'public unservants' acting increasingly arrogant . . . or getting out of Dodge while retirement's good and they can still take their ill-gotten millions with them?

M) Why are we being prevented from using our abundant oil, coal and gas reserves?

N) Why has the educational system been turned into a training factory for brainwashed socialist, Marxist robots with not a shred of understanding or knowlege about our Founding Fathers and values?

O) Why has the environmental movement been used so ruthlessly in economic and FREEDOMS RESTRICTING hidiousnesses?

P) Why has music, rap, movies, TV, video games gone over the cliff into extreme degrees, amounts and types of death and destruction themes?

Never mind. Just pretend I'm off my meds. Go back to sleep. Move along. Nothing here. All the above is an irrational rant because I have an intolerable amount of gas.

night night.

33 posted on 12/01/2011 11:32:27 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: tommix2; All

Those who are willing to sacrifice some freedom - For a a bit of security, deserve neither and will lose both.


34 posted on 12/01/2011 11:33:08 PM PST by Democrat_media (China is destroying all our jobs and manufacturing ability. China makes everything.)
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To: Valpal1

Facial Scan? Test for multiple identities?

Now that sounds like a reasonable explanation.


35 posted on 12/01/2011 11:36:25 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil

Unfortunately most of the new cars have this technology built in.

Their is a certain segment of the Government and Business community that is hungry to collect meta data on all of us.

Nothing to hide but it is of no use or advantage to me or you to be tracked like an animal.


36 posted on 12/01/2011 11:38:23 PM PST by desertfreedom765
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To: Quix

Thanks.

Bump!


37 posted on 12/01/2011 11:40:35 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: desertfreedom765

“the new cars”

Don’t have one.

I do share your perspective.


38 posted on 12/01/2011 11:42:51 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: babygene; All
You want to the give the government even more powers?

This is ridiculous.

The government even banned light bulbs. It will be a crime to use a 100 watt incandescent bulb. Why the stupid government says ? because of the lie of global warming. So they will make us criminals if we use a light bulb. so they force us to use a light-bulb that costs more and has mercury.

Look what the government did with the 9/11 attacks. Now the government is molesting our kids at airports.

Every day governments at all levels increase in power and more laws and regulations are created.

The federal government has millions of pages of laws and regulations. The Obamacare law alone was 3000 pages from which bureaucrats will create 100’s of thousands of pages of regulation's.

We have too many laws. We need less laws , less government , less regulations on us, the citizens here. Now if you want laws just make laws that keep out foreign peoples and things like China products that are de-industrializing the U.S. but leave us the citizens of the U.S.A. alone already with all the FDA’s, EPA’s and controlling what we eat , what we use etc.

39 posted on 12/01/2011 11:43:28 PM PST by Democrat_media (China is destroying all our jobs and manufacturing ability. China makes everything.)
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To: desertfreedom765

Speech on the Scaffold

Richard Rumbold (1622–1685)

“tho I am sure there was no man born marked of God above another, for none comes into the world with a saddle on his back, neither any booted and spurred to ride him.”


40 posted on 12/01/2011 11:47:00 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil

Don’t forget facial recognition technology.


41 posted on 12/01/2011 11:56:45 PM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: Free Vulcan

Yes, that was suggested and I agree after some input from others that may have been what I saw.

Thanks.


42 posted on 12/01/2011 11:58:19 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil

I hope it doesn’t come down to a speech like that...

I prefer this quote by Reagan...

“I know in my heart that man is good. That what is right will always eventually triumph. And there’s purpose and worth to each and every life.”

That doesn’t mean that in the short term the bad guys can’t win or the good people have to pay.

Their are some really ugly things going on right now and the margin for error is very small.


43 posted on 12/02/2011 12:06:34 AM PST by desertfreedom765
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To: babygene

Well first off we went nearly 200 years without the central govt feeling the serious need to identify someone on the spot, 24/7 from 5 different angles.

But let’s cut the bull, this ain’t about identifying citizens, this is about tracking them with biometrics, and once tracked the next step is controlled. As Ayn Rand so correctly observed, if you have nothing to hide they’ll pass enough laws till you do have something to hide.


44 posted on 12/02/2011 12:14:28 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: Texas Fossil

It almost blinded me when they did that.


45 posted on 12/02/2011 12:24:47 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Texas Fossil

cheer up, at least you’ll be able to vote with no ID whatsoever


46 posted on 12/02/2011 12:24:52 AM PST by silverleaf (common sense is not so common- voltaire)
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To: Texas Fossil
John 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

I think that is not quite correct ...

John 13:16 (King James Version) Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.

47 posted on 12/02/2011 12:29:49 AM PST by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: Texas Fossil
To all the MotB'ers out there - how does imposing an national ID in the United States cause every person in the world to have a MotB?
48 posted on 12/02/2011 12:34:52 AM PST by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: Texas Fossil

My guess is that the last time you had a pic taken, they used a real film camera. This time, they had switched to digital, which uses different equipment, hence the brighter flash lamps and the “hard” contrast. The change in distance probably has to do with different requirements for the new digital DL, much like a passport photo has to be certain proportions for facial recognition software to work.

Iris and retina scans are fairly intrusive, from a security perspective, so they’re not generally used in public situations like a driver’s license. It’s far more likely that they just got a different, digital camera which needs different lighting and a different focal length to get good shots. At worst, they’re doing facial recognition scanning after the fact, which they can pretty much do anywhere anyway (ATMs, the toll plazas on the Bush turnpike, the entry foyer of any government building).


49 posted on 12/02/2011 12:41:28 AM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Quix

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2815021/posts?page=33#33

This one’s a keeper. Well put, Qx, and thank you.


50 posted on 12/02/2011 12:44:28 AM PST by Joya (http://www.angelsonassignment.org/why_aoa.html)
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