Posted on 06/29/2011 1:29:28 PM PDT by MissesBush
Your particular situation is why I said “for the most” part at least two or three times in my comment. Unfortunately, there aren’t enough of the “YOUs” in this country. Take a look at this:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2742659/posts
My guess is that still a supermajority of Jews in this country will go through some self-hating gymnastics to explaining why Obama and the State Depart doing this is a good thing....it is just mind boggling.
Just because someone is a Jew, doesn’t mean he can’t also be a dickhead, or do they warrant “special treatment”? Anyone voting for, or supporting 0bama, while at the same time crying that he is trying to destroy Israel is either a total idiot or a dickhead - take your choice!
The foremost thing to remember is, no matter the group, if they have the mental disease called liberalism, that is their problem (and ours). Liberalism defines them, not their gender, their race, their nationality, their age, their handicap, their sexual orientation or their religion. Those are just useful political “victims” groups (which people use to support them or to attack them).
God Bless him! I hope your son passes his conservatism on to his friends...we need a new generation of young conservatives, Jewish and Christian. If the kids are in public school (like my 14 y.o. daughter, unfortunately) its an uphill battle all the way. After Zero was elected, the principal of my daughter’s middle school actually used the loudspeaker system to congratulate BO. My daughter was disgusted. I called the school to complain and the principal said he did that because it was an unusual election, the first African American President. I asked him would he have done the same if McCain/Palin got elected, after all she would have been the first woman VP. Hem hem haw haw...
Don’t feel too bad: at my job, after BO had won, the black secretaries took over a conference room and ordered pizza to celebrate. Now, if McCain had won, do you think that we honkies would have been allowed to “celebrate” at work? I DON’T THINK SO!!!!! The hypocrisy is disgusting. I quietly celebrated after the 2010 midterm elections - but did not take over a conference room to do so. I suspect that many of the students who belong to Junior ROTC will eventually register Republican.
Wasserman Schultz: the result of what happens when a woman has a permanent “bad hair day”.
Why do you say that? If they are saved by grace through faith...wouldnt they still be in good shape? If they "believed" in him, wouldnt they be saved? Or are you saying that they have to haved behaved a certain way..? Is their salvation then, believe in him, AND love his sheep? Faith plus works?
One more time, as it applies in 2011.
What I am trying to understand is why SOME — not all — Jews would actively support by words, deeds, and money either individuals or organizations that are committed to their destruction or to the destruction of their country. This applies to American Jews and Israeli Jews.
You have a sitting American president and an administration that are actively as antisemitic as I have ever seen — whether it applies to the United States or towards Israel. That is what I cannot fathom. I want you to explain this to me because all I have done is point out that such Jews exist. Do you deny they exist?
Explain to me why a rational person would support individuals or organizations committed to their destruction or the destruction of their country?
“Belief” in Christ means total belief in all he preached to us, not just going to a church.
The “Christian” monikker you hung on those that abused the Jews was solely based on the church they may have attended, or simply once been there to be baptised, not a confession of Jesus Christ as lord of their life, and savior of their immortal souls.
You hve no evidence of a sincere confession.
It ain’t gonna happen.
Obama may get less of the “Jewish vote” in ‘12 than he did in ‘08, but he will still get a higher percentage than any Republican could ever hope to get.
Okay, then Christian salvation is more than being saved by grace through faith. (The protestant view) To you, it means by following " all which was preached". Do you have a list of those things? That should be a quantifiable list.
What I was trying to point out in my post though was that there are other decedents of Holocaust survivors who are directly affected and still lean liberal. I think it was my roundabout way of saying that you can’t assume how people are going to vote based on how others perceive their life experiences. I was also trying to show that just because a Jewish person votes for a democrat doesn’t necessarily make them self-hating. You are correct though some liberal lunatics will say that Obama is doing the right thing, but that is because they are liberal and stupid not because they are Jewish (although some will be Jewish).
I have seen that article. It’s incredibly unfortunate that our president is so bad at world politics. I said it in an earlier post, but basically I’m not that worried because everything Obama does is symbolic so I don’t think any real harm will come of this. I don’t think people who aren’t Anti-Semitic will become Anti-Semitic because of this. I also think Israel can take care of itself until we switch administrations.
My personal feeling as an American Jew is that my first priority at the polling booth has to be to this country. If Israel was my first priority, I would feel obligated to move there.
I never claimed liberals were rational. My best explanation is that they are liberals first. I know that I put my political beliefs ahead of my religious beliefs when I vote. The same is true for Israel. I vote with America as my first priority. If Israel was my first priority then I would feel obligated to move there.
I would like to believe that our president isn’t Antisemitic just stupid. I think most of what he does is symbolic. I don’t care for what that symbolism stands for and I certainly believe he has no business asking Israel to give up land. It must be one of the first rules of war – when your country is invaded and you win, any land you gain is yours. I also have faith that Israel can take care of itself.
>> “Okay, then Christian salvation is more than being saved by grace through faith.” <<
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Nonsense!
If you don’t know him, he doesn’t save you through the faith that you do not have.
Perhaps you are one of the lost yourself?
Yes, you cannot cleanly say that "blah blah group always votes this way" Yet, empirical evidence (voting patterns for the last 5 or 6 decades for American Jews shows a large majority consistently vote liberal, period) does not support this.
Further, in the face of Obama's, in what I believe is an outright assault, of Israel (and,therefore Jews) in favor of radical Muslim interests of any flavor or political aim (destroying Israel, the prime directive), even still commands a very significant realm of support from American Jews. Frankly, this does not compute to any rational person. One can call it self-hate, or selfishness, or whatever. It still racks up as a destructive tendency...
Any Jews who vote for Obama are morons
God only know how they can be democrat in the first place.
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