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Issa rips Obama's silence on ATF gun-tracking matter
thehill.com ^ | 06/29/11 04:07 PM ET | Jordy Yager

Posted on 06/30/2011 5:08:17 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) denounced President Obama for refusing to comment on a controversial gun-tracking program that is under investigation.

Issa, who is the chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, said Obama did not express the necessary “urgency” that is called for in investigating who approved of the “Fast and Furious” operation, which may have contributed to the death of at least one federal agent.

At a press conference Wednesday, Obama reiterated that Attorney General Eric Holder did not order the gun-tracking program, which was run by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) and allowed known and suspected straw purchasers to buy thousands of weapons in hopes of tracking them to members of Mexican drug cartels.

Holder called for the Inspector General to investigate the matter to determine who approved of the operation. Obama said he would comment further on the issue once the investigation is completed.

“My attorney general has made clear that he certainly would not have ordered gun running to be able to pass through into Mexico,” Obama said.

“The investigation is still pending. I'm not going to comment on a current investigation. I've made very clear my views that would not be an appropriate step by the ATF, and we've got to find out how that happened.

“As soon as the investigation is completed, I think appropriate actions will be taken,” Obama said.

But Issa, who held a charged hearing on the issue earlier this month, has indicated that responsibility for the operation rests with some of the highest officials at the Justice Department and the ATF.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; batf; cole; corruption; ffgate; gunwalker; gunwalkergate; holder; holderlies; holderresign; impeachobama; issa; melson; obama; obamalies; recallholder; resignholder

1 posted on 06/30/2011 5:08:19 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: All; Nachum; 444Flyer; Munz; SunkenCiv; mojitojoe
Another update on FFGate: is seemingly a news black-out.

'Project Gunrunner' Whistleblower Says ATF Sent Him Termination Notice

2 posted on 06/30/2011 5:14:22 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Bump


3 posted on 06/30/2011 5:20:26 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who wonÂ’t leave.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Obama and Holder both already outright lied and Holder was under oath;when they said they knew nothing about this.And now Obama is saying I am KING and ordering an investigation on him self and his DOJ by the IG? Obama is known for FIRING
Inspector Generals when the investigation does not favor him,his admin,his wife, or his friends. (SEE WALPINGATE)

So we are suppose to shut up and move along while he and his DOJ obstruct justice,plead the fifth and lie?


4 posted on 06/30/2011 5:25:26 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Maybe they can get Janet Reno to take the fall? Oh wait, no need, they will just lie and ignore it. It’s just another disaster they created.


5 posted on 06/30/2011 5:28:30 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Compare the media noise on this with the Valerie Plame story.


6 posted on 06/30/2011 5:31:39 AM PDT by Anima Mundi (If you try to fail and you succeed , what have you just done?)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Sorry! What I have seen out of Issa so far reminds me of a chihuahua yipping at an M-1 Abrams Army tank!


7 posted on 06/30/2011 5:35:50 AM PDT by Tucker39
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

“...he certainly would not have ordered gun running...”

This is Chicago speak for: “Sure we signed off on it, but you won’t find MY finger prints on it!”


8 posted on 06/30/2011 5:44:02 AM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: Tucker39

At least he’s ‘yipping’.
Spineless Republicans are doing nothing even though they know Obongo’s a Marxist/Muslim usurper.

Issa has raked up enough dirt for the Republican candidates to use against Obongo but I doubt they’ll have the guts.


9 posted on 06/30/2011 5:48:57 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
Obama said he would comment further on the issue once the investigation is completed.
I can see it now...
"The investigation indicates that nobody knows who authorized this and it contends that rogue agents in the agency were responsible. Sadly, it doesn't indicate who those rogue agents are either. We know nothing more than you and the investigation does not state conclusively where the blame should be placed so we're not going to blame anybody."
10 posted on 06/30/2011 5:55:52 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Fact: As early as 2008 officials in this administration cite American guns as being the primary arms of violent Mexican criminals (which is proven false). Eric Holder states unequivocally (in 2009) that this is the primary reason that the administration will seek to “re-institute the ban on the sale of assault weapons”.

Fact: This administration caused at least thousands of weapons to be illegally sold to people known to resell said weapons across the Mexican border.

Fact: Between 2009 and 2010 more than 3500 Gun were allowed to “walk” into Mexico.

Fact: In a Jan. 25, 2011, Phoenix press conference, Special Agent in Charge William Newell was asked whether ATF agents were ever ordered to allow guns to “walk” into Mexico. He answered, “Hell no!”

Fact: In a February 4, 2011, response letter to Grassley, Justice Department Assistant Attorney General for Legislative Affairs Ron Weich described as “false” Grassley’s assertion that ATF had knowingly allowed guns to be purchased and walked into Mexico.

Fact: Leaked e-mail traffic from spring 2010 documents show that ATF management from Acting Director Kenneth Melson on down were personally briefed in Phoenix on Operation Fast and Furious by Newell.

Fact: The ATF intentionally broke national and international laws with this operation.

Fact: The official ATF explanation for this operation, after being forced to admit that they allowed gun into Mexico, was to allow criminals to buy and transport guns to Mexico so that the ATF could later tie them back to drug cartels when they were used in crimes.

Fact: The ATF could not track firearms used in Mexican crimes except at the request of the Mexican government.

Fact: If the ATF was requested by Mexico to provide firearm tracking information, that request is not likely to provide the information that the ATF said they wanted.

Fact: If the ATF could actually tie a firearm they caused to be illegally sold to a Mexican cartel...so what? They have no jurisdiction in Mexico, no arrest powers, and even if they were to provide this information to Mexican officials it gains local law enforcement nothing.

Fact: At least 150 people have been killed with guns that the ATF knowingly and illegally allowed to be sold.

Fact: Not one person has been arrested by allowing guns to cross the border.

Everyone that can be linked to the decision process is guilty of deprivation of rights under color of law which in this case is a capital crime. A good case could be made that those same people are also guilty of treason.


11 posted on 06/30/2011 5:58:03 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Anima Mundi
Compare the media noise on this with the Valerie Plame story.

I'm imagining the Gun Walker movie. Probably need Quentin Tarantino to direct. So much violence it would probably rate NC17.

12 posted on 06/30/2011 8:04:02 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: Durus

This calls for a trial in the House


13 posted on 06/30/2011 8:20:43 AM PDT by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
“My attorney general has made clear that he certainly would not have ordered gun running to be able to pass through into Mexico,” Obama said.

“The investigation is still pending. I'm not going to comment on a current investigation. I've made very clear my views that would not be an appropriate step by the ATF, and we've got to find out how that happened.


The admission that the gunwalking actually happened is new. His previous statement from last March only indicated that it "may" have happened.

We know from emails that ATF Director Melson was involved. He only has two bosses within the DOJ, according to the DOJ organizational chart: the Deputy AG and the Attorney General. Including Obama, that makes three bosses, two of whom have denied authorizing this operation.

How long is it going to take to investigate whether the one other possible choice authorized it?
14 posted on 06/30/2011 8:41:29 AM PDT by publiusF27
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To: publiusF27

You have an excellent point in pointing out a tactic of stonewalling they could be doing.The Assistant Attorney General,Obama and Holder have denied they know anything.(All but Obama under oath.)

The DAG is under Holder. It is impossible for the Deputy AG to authorize anything without Holder.

http://www.justice.gov/agencies/index-org.html


15 posted on 06/30/2011 8:55:12 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: publiusF27

My bad I forgot The seat of Deputy AG was vacant.

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2011_cr/s062811.html

So that leaves everyone involved in the highest ranks possible-I believe? denying they knew anything and stonewalling


16 posted on 06/30/2011 9:00:14 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: publiusF27

“My attorney general has made clear that he certainly would not have ordered gun running to be able to pass through into Mexico,” Obama said.

This is clearly an implied admission that Holder (his AG) ordered gun running–just not into Mexico (in support of Obama’s scheme to violate the 2nd Amendment).


17 posted on 06/30/2011 10:48:41 AM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/06/27/nra-boss-obamas-gone-in-2012

Interesting tidbit in this article is that Obama told Sarah Brady that he was working on gun control “under the radar”.


18 posted on 06/30/2011 11:06:30 AM PDT by cinciella
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To: cinciella

I don’t understand how one of the whistle blowers of this case could be fired and it is not 24/7 breaking news? Has our media gone this far down the gutter for Obama?


19 posted on 06/30/2011 12:17:17 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
Has our media gone this far down the gutter for Obama?

Yes.

Whatever advances the cause of communism is a moral good.

20 posted on 06/30/2011 12:22:20 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

I call them the “pod people”. They have ceased to have any sense or ability to make any negative judgment where he is concerned.


21 posted on 06/30/2011 12:42:44 PM PDT by cinciella
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
Obama just wants this story to go away. And he has the whole MSM to help him. It is infuriating. He should be impeached, but instead he's off on another taxpayer funded vacation with the million dollar a trip whirlwind tour wife.
22 posted on 06/30/2011 9:11:57 PM PDT by 444Flyer ("...Rather the scorned- the rejected -the men hemmed in with the spears..." from 'A Consecration')
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To: 444Flyer
Obama just wants this story to go away. And he has the whole MSM to help him. It is infuriating. He should be impeached

Well there is more than enough of a Republican majority in the House of Reps to bring forth impeachment charges right now, but for the most part, they are fearful eunuchs, deathly afraid of 0dumb0 and of the media. As much as I hate 0dumb0 and the left wing media, the Repubs could institute impeachment proceedings right now, including 0dumb0's constitutional ineligibility to be US pres___ent, but they don't have the balls or "certitude" to do it.

So I don't think we can blame the MSM as they don't control the impeachment process.... the House of Reps does.

23 posted on 06/30/2011 9:45:46 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: cinciella

LOL when I read your reply I thought it was in the bash Bachmann because Sarah was there first threads and you were calling the Palin Bots ‘pod people’ as it applies to them as well.


24 posted on 07/01/2011 4:12:07 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: rcrngroup

Why are the media SILENT on this? A whistle blower was fired!

The democrats have the audacity to have the headlines regarding fast and furious be nothing but pimping for gun legislature.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/7635193.html


25 posted on 07/01/2011 4:35:19 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: 444Flyer

See post 25. It is unbelievable.Did you see the article that one of the whistle blowers that testified was fired!? Melson refuses resignation but a whistle blower is fired!


26 posted on 07/01/2011 4:38:33 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Dems use 'Fast and Furious' debate to push tighter gun laws

Houston Chronicle - Will Tucker - ‎6 hours ago‎
WASHINGTON — Democrats on Capitol Hill called for tougher gun laws Thursday as a way of cracking down on weapons purchased in the US and trafficked to Mexican drug cartels. The call for restrictions on such purchases came at a forum ...

House Panel Members Joust Over Border Gun Program

New York Times - Sean Collins Walsh - ‎9 hours ago‎
WASHINGTON — Republicans and Democrats on the House oversight committee this week intensified their efforts to shape the narrative surrounding Operation Fast and Furious, the border-security strategy that allowed guns to be ...

Democrat: Controversial ATF program shows need for tougher gun laws

CNN International - Terry Frieden, Tom Cohen - ‎12 hours ago‎
By the CNN Wire Staff Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Maryland, has released a report on the ATF's Operation Fast and Furious. Washington (CNN) -- A controversial program by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives that tried to track illegal ...

"We had asked for a day of hearings and haven't gotten a response yet, so we went ahead and proceeded with our own forum," Cummings said.
more by Elijah Cummings - 6 hours ago - Houston Chronicle (1 occurrences)

Dem Lawmaker Decries Illegal Firearms in Rival Panel on ATF's 'Fast and ...

Fox News - ‎13 hours ago‎
Rep. Elijah Cummings, the top Democrat on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, held a forum Thursday on how the illegal flow of guns from America into Mexico undermines ATF's mission. (AP) The free flow of illegal guns through the US ...

Operation Fast and Furious Linked to Death of Mexican Attorney

Forbes (blog) - E.D. Kain - ‎17 hours ago‎
The two guns were subsequently linked to the suspects in the torture and killing of Mario Gonzalez Rodriguez, the brother of Patricia Gonzalez Rodriguez, who was then attorney general of the Mexican state of Chihuahua. ...

Blogs

Cummings: ATF gun trafficking probe should consider U.S. laws

Baltimore Sun (blog) - ‎21 hours ago‎
Rep. Elijah E. Cummings, in the latest battle with his Republican counterpart on the House Oversight Committee, said Thursday that an investigation into a troubled federal gun trafficking operation should also consider the role US gun laws play in ...

Obama: Holder 'Would Not Have Ordered' Gun-Running Operation

Wall Street Journal (blog) - Evan Perez - ‎Jun 29, 2011‎
President Barack Obama, at his press conference, spoke carefully about an emerging scandal over a federal gun-running probe. President Barack Obama at a news conference Wednesday. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster) But he said Attorney General ...

President promises action against those who authorized Operation Fast and Furious

Houston Chronicle (blog) - ‎Jun 29, 2011‎
President Barack Obama said Wednesday that he would not comment on the Justice Department's ongoing investigation into the so-called fast and furious gun-running case, but did promise swift action when the case is closed. Obama said “appropriate action ...

United States

'Fast and Furious' inquiry broadens

Politico - Seung Min Kim - ‎22 hours ago‎
Elijah Cummings released a report saying that gun laws need to be tightened to fight crime. | AP Photo Close By SEUNG MIN KIM | 6/30/11 9:10 AM EDT Updated: 6/30/11 12:24 PM EDT House Democrats are still fuming about when Rep. ...

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Houston Chronicle - Dan Freedman - ‎Jun 29, 2011‎
WASHINGTON — The tainted "Operation Fast and Furious" has dealt the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms its worst blow since the agency's botched 1993 raid on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco that left four ATF agents dead. ...

Democrat: Weak US laws hurt gun-trafficking fight in Mexico

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Washington D.C., DC

The Gun Walker Pushback

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One of the whistleblowers who brought the massive “Gun Walker” scandal to light, ATF Special Agent Vince Cefalu, was terminated after a thirty-year career last week… the day after House Oversight chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA) sent a ...

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Focusing on what he says are weak laws rather than a controversial Justice Department gun smuggling operation, the ranking Democrat on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee released a report ...


27 posted on 07/01/2011 4:53:30 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
Yep. A sloppy job and attempt at doing in the 2nd Amendment. It's all the Globalist end game to them. Remember a couple years back Hillary Clinton was setting this all up when she visited Mexico. Now, fast forward to today.

“Latest Clinton/Obama PSYOP: Sell arms to Mex cartels, blame border shops (vid)”

http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/another-clinton-psyop-sell-weapons-to-mex-drug-cartels-blame-border-shops?fb_comment=33827651

28 posted on 07/01/2011 11:44:51 AM PDT by 444Flyer ("...Rather the scorned- the rejected -the men hemmed in with the spears..." from 'A Consecration')
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To: 444Flyer

And a IG is suppose to be INVESTIGATING F&F. After what happened to Gerald Walpin I am not comforted in the Obama admin rule of law and ethics.


29 posted on 07/01/2011 11:48:07 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

We darn near live under complete tyranny. These people do not follow the rule of law.


30 posted on 07/01/2011 12:04:22 PM PDT by 444Flyer ("...Rather the scorned- the rejected -the men hemmed in with the spears..." from 'A Consecration')
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