The agenda is the same however taken on from several different directions, but it is always the same agenda...
Welcome to the Godless society.
Posted on 06/30/2011 2:38:56 PM PDT by NYer
The legalization of same-sex marriage in the state of New York is not altogether bad news. It could wake up voters in other states – and other countries – to the strengths of the push for “marriage equality” and to the weaknesses of the defense of traditional marriage.
The first strength of the gay marriage campaign in New York, according to the New York Times, was money. Lots of money.
“The story of how same-sex marriage became legal in New York is about shifting public sentiment and individual lawmakers moved by emotional appeals from gay couples who wish to be wed. But, behind the scenes, it was really about a Republican Party reckoning with a profoundly changing power dynamic, where Wall Street donors and gay-rights advocates demonstrated more might and muscle than a Roman Catholic hierarchy and an ineffective opposition.”
Governor Andrew Cuomo sought the help of the guys who brought you the global financial crisis – hedge fund managers. He persuaded Paul E. Singer, the founder of Elliott Management, a Republican whose son is gay; Clifford S. Asness, of the quant fund AQR Capital; and Daniel S. Loeb, of Third Point, to donate US$1 million to the campaign.
The second strength was confusion about marriage amongst both politicians and voters. For many the magic has evaporated from marriage. They have lost sight of what it is all about. Not surprisingly for the governor of a state which has just lost two seats in the House of Representatives because of its declining population, Cuomo neglected to explain how same-sex marriage was going to benefit the most defenseless group of all – children.
His impassioned speech behind closed doors to the Republican delegation at the governor’s mansion treated marriage merely as a sentimental partnership. Gay couples wanted recognition, he told them. “Their love is worth the same as your love. Their partnership is worth the same as your partnership. And they are equal in your eyes to you. That is the driving issue.”
Which leads us to the weakness of the defenders.
As figures from the Census Bureau reveal, married couples now form less than half (45 percent) of all US households. Married couples with children account for only 20 percent of all households – down from 43 percent in 1950. With so many children witnessing divorce and growing up in broken homes, marriage has become just a trinket, not a jewel to be prized. Native Indians sold priceless Manhattan real estate for $24 worth of cloth, beads and buttons. New York legislators done one better by selling the farm on marriage.
Human nature, logic, economics, and history all support traditional marriage – but too many people simply don’t know how precious that is.
Furthermore, the logic of same-sex marriage is the logic of contraception: that sex and children have no necessary connection to each other. That being the case, marriage is nothing more than a companionate relationship, with children an optional adornment to the partners’ mutual affection. Since about three-quarters of women between 15 and 49 use some form of contraception, it’s not surprising that voters and legislators believe that “love” is enough to create a marriage. Ultimately the levee against the rising tide of gay marriage has to be a change of heart on contraception.
How can that be done?
First of all, by the example of loving couples and their children. Every successful family is an argument against the self-centered egotism of people who care nothing about the next generation.
Second, by demonstrating more convincingly that same-sex marriage undermines traditional marriage. Many supporters find it hard to articulate why the publicly recognized union of a man and a woman with their children is the only model that works. Defeat in New York is discouraging, but it concentrates the mind on how to frame convincing arguments for future battles.
The battle is joined between those who believe that marriage is for present fellowship and those who believe that marriage is for future generations. But it will be important to remember that boodles of cash and backroom deals will not deliver victory. What is needed is a cultural change of heart. Nothing less.
Still not convinced?
Unfortunately, the liberals in the MSM, Hollywood idiots, etc. are cheerleaders for this issue.
And the liberals have framed the debate as one of discrimination against homosexuals.
Of all the debates and discussions I have heard about same-sex marriage, very few have talked about why same-sex marriage is good for society. Mostly we hear that it’s discriminatory not to allow same-sex marriage, rather than why it would be good for society.
The framing of the debate is important, because if people are persuaded that it’s discriminatory not to allow same-sex marriage,then they won’t listen to reasoned discussion about why marriage and family are important, and why it should not be re-defined. And in today’s politically correct world, charges of discrimination unfortunately carry weight in the court of public opinion, and the New York legislature.
Whatever they have it isn’t marriage equality until they can create life.
Excellent point! And now, they are planning to take it to the Supreme Court with the intention of overturning DOMA. Wake up America!
As far as creating life goes, some are creative that way.
I’ve heard stories of lesbian couples who use sperm from the brother of partner A to conceive a child in partner B. They say this gives both females a genetic link to the baby.
As of now, most lesbians who have children had them the old fashioned way, with men, before they got older and decided that they were really meant to live an alternative lifestyle.
Whenever I see those blue stickers with the gold equal sign on it, I want to superimpose the big red circle with the diagonal slash over it.
It is not and never will be equal!
The agenda is the same however taken on from several different directions, but it is always the same agenda...
Welcome to the Godless society.
what are those supposed to mean , any way?
I see them on every other car it seems in MN.
They have already addressed that argument with adoption and/or surrogacy. The traditional arguments of nature, no longer work.
There’s not even a discussion about the benefit of marriage anymore, so why should anyone be surprised that the argument for “benign gayness” is taking hold now.
If you are held in bondage, and you know your child will be ripped from you and sold for chattel, it’s likely that you’ll be reticent to consent to enter that whole dilemma and remain childless.
If men see no-fault divorces all around them, or marriages ended in “the golden years” after children are gone and one in the marriage decides to run off and find the “right person...” leaving the other in the lurch during the closing years when you need the other....of course the men have probably contributed the majority share of the conservative side. But with gays, liberals, the “weak at the knees” otherwise conservative men, and the tacit cooperation of otherwise conservative women, where else could we find ourselves but here?
We know the liberal feminazis have been at their trade, but where have the conservative women been, supporting the men accused of workplace harassment, child protective service violations, etc??? Where have the men been, defending the boy scouts and football, and just being men.
There’s little respect left in society for a man’s man-of-the-house...and I’m not just talking about TV sitcoms where we know we’re pilloried. Listen to some of the women around you at church or at the coffee house at the other table. It’s NOT just the feminazis and gays diluting marriage, it’s a majority of society diminishing the family.
They have already addressed that argument with adoption and/or surrogacy. The traditional arguments of nature, no longer work.
Adoption isn’t the same as creating life.
Surrogacy is essentially someone else making a baby for someone who can’t, and then giving it away. It isn’t the same as a man and a woman creating a life and then raising that person.
A gay couple can aquire a child through kidnapping if they were so inclined.
I sure you are aware of “people” aquiring children by cutting them out of their mother...
Just because you can aquire a child through some means doesn’t mean you did it right in the eyes of God.
And that is what this really boils down to, what is right in the eyes of God.
I suppose if one doesn’t believe in God, then one can pretty much do whatever the hell one wants.
And that is a good part of the reason mankind finds itself going down the rabbit hole...
God has been forsaken.
One more anecdote!
Went to a wedding recently. Preacher quoted Genesis and some “subjugated” references to Eve-from-Adam’s-rib, etc.
It was interesting to watch how that raised some eyebrows and smirks from the older people, and worse, elicited outright giggling from the friends of the groom/bride near their age.
Imagine a time when such giggling would’ve been greeted by stern glares all around! Now, not so much as a crossways glance. And social pressure on top of that to remain silent.
To most, and I’m afraid perhaps even the couple, it was a nice party with matching dresses and tuxes...
The equal sign means that any and all relationships are equal. But, I suppose, in true Animal Farm fashion, some relationships (ie gay) are more equal than others.
In a time, such giggling wouldn't have even been contemplated.
A time of respectful living with a wanton hand brought out to a loving God and his sacrifice laden son.
I agree with both of you but these arguments no longer work against the plague of gay marriage. Read the article! The downfall of marriage began with contraception which redefined how and when life was to be created. Up until 1930, ALL christian denominations condemned artificial contraception. As pressure from feminists mounted, one by one, they caved except for the Catholic Church. There are many catholic families that defied the church’s prohibition of contraception. Today, procreated life = “chosen” life;hence, the argument supports that of gays who apply the same argument.
there is no argument. You just say No,no,no repeatedly.
Gay marraige means gay adoption and the empowerment of the big rich and powerful gay organizations to begin bullying and suing. They have extensive legal departments.
It means ‘gay sensitivity training’ in all corporations and workplaces and all state and federeal government offices.
It means churchs being sued and taken over by these big gay organizations and Christians driven away and property and assets going to the gays. Look at the Episcopal church.
Gay marriage means sex education on homosexuality in grade school and high school and sensitivity classes in college.
There is no end to it.
That’s whsy I am against gay marriage.
It burns me that the gay organizations are so rich; the big corporations of America have nothing but contempt for the little people.
Go to the gay websites; they are working day and night. there are hundreds of gay organizations and they put endless pressure on legislators and churchmen, endless. they always request a meeting and a ‘conversation’ where they tell heartrending stories of mistreatment of gays.
They are so agressive and so hostile.
since queers can't reproduce, can incestuous homosexual BROTHERS get married??? fair is fair right?
Wow. Nineteen posts and no one has said “they better not try that in Texas”.
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