Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Rapid Melting of Arctic Sea Ice Possibly Explained [new theory?]
eyeonthearctic.rcinet.ca ^ | 28 June 2011 | written by The Canadian Press

Posted on 07/01/2011 6:46:52 PM PDT by smokingfrog

Arctic researchers have discovered a clue as to why sea ice in the North is melting so much faster than anyone thought it would.

Scientists have long puzzled over why Arctic sea ice is retreating at up to three times the rate that climate models say it should.

In an effort to answer that question, a group of U.K-based explorers walked more than 500 kilometres of sea ice in the High Arctic, taking temperature readings of the ocean below them.

They found a layer of cold, salty water about 200 metres down that they suspect has come from the melting of first-year ice.

That meltwater has forced the relatively warmer water to the surface, where it's speeding up the decay of more ice. 'Complicated processes'

"We're trying to understand why the ice is melting so fast," said Simon Boxall of the Catlin Arctic Survey. "It's not just down to simple warming. There are more complicated processes."

The speed at which sea ice is disappearing in the Arctic has far exceeded almost all predictions and alarmed climate scientists.

A 2007 paper from the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colo., found that the projections of the UN-sponsored Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change were already obsolete three years after they were published.

When projections from the panel were compared with actual observations, the authors found that between 1953 and 2006 the sea ice was retreating three times faster than it should have. Between 1979 and 2006, when satellite data was available, the actual retreat was twice as fast as climate models predicted.

The report concluded that sea ice retreat is 30 years ahead of where scientists thought it would be.

(Excerpt) Read more at eyeonthearctic.rcinet.ca ...


TOPICS: Canada; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arctic; arcticice; catastrophism; climate; climatechange; globalwarming; godsgravesglyphs; simonboxall

1 posted on 07/01/2011 6:46:59 PM PDT by smokingfrog
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: smokingfrog
Interesting but irrelevant. The melting of sea ice has no effect on sea levels nor likely anything else.
2 posted on 07/01/2011 6:52:08 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: hinckley buzzard

Guess we won’t be seeing a Arctic Sea Ice Road Trucker show anytime soon.


3 posted on 07/01/2011 6:54:51 PM PDT by rocksblues (Obama, the biggest liar in the history of American politics!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: smokingfrog
"We're trying to understand why the ice is melting so fast," said Simon Boxall of the Catlin Arctic Survey. "It's not just down to simple warming. There are more complicated processes."

That's it for Simon...no more research grants on the causes of AGW. He's toast.

4 posted on 07/01/2011 6:55:03 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: smokingfrog

Now that science is political, we’ll never know...for sure.


5 posted on 07/01/2011 6:58:17 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: smokingfrog

6 posted on 07/01/2011 7:01:34 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: smokingfrog; Defendingliberty; WL-law; Normandy; TenthAmendmentChampion; FrPR; enough_idiocy; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

7 posted on 07/01/2011 7:01:59 PM PDT by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: smokingfrog

I take it we’re all still going to die?


8 posted on 07/01/2011 7:01:59 PM PDT by meatloaf
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: smokingfrog

Just need to buy some seaside property on the arctic ocean and I’m all set :)

This is going to do wonders for world trade when the ice is significantly gone.


9 posted on 07/01/2011 7:04:19 PM PDT by battousai (Conservatives are racist? YES, I hate stupid white liberals.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: smokingfrog

You know what? I don’t care how fast sea ice melts. I just want US oil companies to start drilling on the north slope so maybe I can afford a gallon or two of gas now and then. Oh yeah, make it 100% petroleum gas, no ethanol please.


10 posted on 07/01/2011 7:05:25 PM PDT by epow (A socialist is a communist who hasn't built enough gulags yet to hold all the Christians.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: smokingfrog

Wait......Are we doomed?


11 posted on 07/01/2011 7:08:22 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: smokingfrog

I am not very sure that the arctic ice really is melting away as they tell us. The reason why, is that the north-west passage is still iced up. We were told that it would open all year around, because of global warming, but in recent years, it has only had a few weeks open in summer. And some years, frozen solid all through the year.


12 posted on 07/01/2011 7:08:32 PM PDT by BlackVeil
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: steelyourfaith
The lie here isn't that it's melting faster than they predicted ~ it's that it's NOT melting as fast as they predicted.

One well known factoid about predictions is that by this time (2011) Greenland should have been pretty much cleared of ice.

Obviously that's not what has happened. It's still covered with ice.

Their prediction: http://www.ec.gc.ca/EnviroZine/images/Issue48/melt_e_l.gif

13 posted on 07/01/2011 7:11:08 PM PDT by muawiyah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: meatloaf

“If you live long enough, something will eventually kill you.”
- Yogi Berra


14 posted on 07/01/2011 7:15:55 PM PDT by ZULU (Lindsey Graham is a nanometrical pustule of pusillanimous putrescence)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: smokingfrog

Summer time.


15 posted on 07/01/2011 7:16:10 PM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: smokingfrog
exceeded almost all predictions and alarmed climate scientists. ...

The ice in the drink in front of me is all gone, I had expected it to last much longer. So, I guess I'll have to agree with these climate scientwits, and be alarmed too.

16 posted on 07/01/2011 7:27:26 PM PDT by C210N (0bama, Making the US safe for Global Marxism)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: smokingfrog

Could be undersea volcanoes.


17 posted on 07/01/2011 7:31:33 PM PDT by Zuse
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: smokingfrog

Anyone ever notice that the more skeptical people become about anthropogenic global warming/climate change, the more alarmist the articles describing the effects of AGW/CC become?

The ground under Yellowstone is lifting, and I don’t think anyone knows what that means. Volcanoes erupt, the earth quakes, the magnetic poles move and sometimes switch, and we still don’t understand exactly how. That we don’t understand the geologic influences on the melting of arctic ice is not surprising.


18 posted on 07/01/2011 7:33:17 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: smokingfrog
They found a layer of cold, salty water about 200 metres down that they suspect has come from the melting of first-year ice.

That meltwater has forced the relatively warmer water to the surface, where it's speeding up the decay of more ice.

The latest prototype weather control machine from Rovenschmirtz Evil Inc?

19 posted on 07/01/2011 7:33:36 PM PDT by JRios1968 (I'm guttery and trashy, with a hint of lemon. - Laz)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: smokingfrog
It's not just down to simple warming.

Which isn't happening anyway, so that excuse is real weak.

20 posted on 07/01/2011 7:54:24 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans freed the Slaves Month")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: battousai
This is going to do wonders for world trade when the ice is significantly gone.

BINGO! The first use of the Northwest Passage since the 1800's! Imagine the trade 'across the top of the world' instead of around it at a lower latitude! Crude oil from Barrow to New York, over the top!

21 posted on 07/01/2011 7:58:45 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: C210N
The ice in the drink in front of me is all gone...

Did your drink run all over when the glass overflowed? (8^D)

22 posted on 07/01/2011 8:02:42 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: smokingfrog

Clowns! Need to join a circus.....


23 posted on 07/01/2011 8:09:43 PM PDT by eeriegeno (<p>)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: battousai
Just need to buy some seaside property on the arctic ocean and I’m all set :)

Do you know how the beaches are up there? You should be able to get a nice tan with the sun up so long in the summer. I might open a little jet-ski rental shop since this looks to be the next summer "hot spot" for the jet set.

24 posted on 07/01/2011 8:15:20 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: hinckley buzzard

Causes these climatologists are ignoring:
* We’ve had an uptick in earth quakes and volcanic activity in recent years - Iceland being one of them. Could undersea volcanic activity like hidden lava flows and venting be causing this ice to melt?
* Industrial waste heat is on the rise along with industrialization. Norway, Sweden, Russia’s Far East all still have industrialization and far more waste heat. The heat bubble effect could be exaggerated and melting the ice near the coast, without specifically being “global warming”, just warmed air near the ocean surface OR warmed water from their rivers making it to the ocean.


25 posted on 07/01/2011 8:29:53 PM PDT by tbw2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: smokingfrog

Blame the Amish, Tea Partiers, Bush, Gun Toting Bible Hugging Christians but for God’s sake don’t blame Mother Nature (Gaia).


26 posted on 07/01/2011 8:36:51 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: smokingfrog

Wouldn’t be surprised to have a volcano forming underneath. That would explain a lot of it if true.


27 posted on 07/01/2011 8:44:17 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: smokingfrog
and yet, there's STILL 55 FEET OF SNOW in Mt.Baker Washington
28 posted on 07/01/2011 8:45:07 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: smokingfrog
"We're trying to understand why the ice is melting so fast," said Simon Boxall of the Catlin Arctic Survey. "It's not just down to simple warming. There are more complicated processes."

The only way to solve this problem is to immediately raise taxes on the 47% of people in the US that still pay taxes, and allow Gore, Obama and their friends to make billions trading carbon credits.

29 posted on 07/01/2011 8:56:47 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Rurudyne; steelyourfaith; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; xcamel; 75thOVI; agrace; ...

Thanks smokingfrog.
Scientists have long puzzled over why Arctic sea ice is retreating at up to three times the rate that climate models say it should.
Why? The climate models have been wrong about literally everything.

Next time the jokers head to the Arctic Ice, may they not come back.




30 posted on 07/01/2011 9:02:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's the Obamacare, stupid! -- Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...

· GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother, and Ernest_at_the_Beach ·
· join list or digest · view topics · view or post blog · bookmark · post a topic · subscribe ·

 
 Antiquity Journal
 & archive
 Archaeologica
 Archaeology
 Archaeology Channel
 BAR
 Bronze Age Forum
 Discovery
 Dogpile
 Eurekalert
 Google
 LiveScience
 Mirabilis.ca
 Nat Geographic
 PhysOrg
 Science Daily
 Science News
 Texas AM
 Yahoo
 Excerpt, or Link only?
 


Thanks smokingfrog.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.
 

· History topic · history keyword · archaeology keyword · paleontology keyword ·
· Science topic · science keyword · Books/Literature topic · pages keyword ·


31 posted on 07/01/2011 9:02:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's the Obamacare, stupid! -- Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: smokingfrog

Alas, not rapidly enough.

32 posted on 07/01/2011 9:53:56 PM PDT by Oratam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: smokingfrog
"Now, if I wanted to be one of those ponderous scientific people, and 'let on' to prove what had occurred in the remote past by what had occurred in a given time in the recent past, or what will occur in the far future by what has occurred in late years, what an opportunity is here! Geology never had such a chance, nor such exact data to argue from! Nor 'development of species,' either! Glacial epochs are great things, but they are vague--vague. Please observe:--

In the space of one hundred and seventy-six years the Lower Mississippi has shortened itself two hundred and forty-two miles. That is an average of a trifle over one mile and a third per year. Therefore, any calm person, who is not blind or idiotic, can see that in the Old Oolitic Silurian Period,' just a million years ago next November, the Lower Mississippi River was upwards of one million three hundred thousand miles long, and stuck out over the Gulf of Mexico like a fishing-rod. And by the same token any person can see that seven hundred and forty-two years from now the Lower Mississippi will be only a mile and three-quarters long, and Cairo and New Orleans will have joined their streets together, and be plodding comfortably along under a single mayor and a mutual board of aldermen. There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact."


Mark Twain, "Life on the Mississippi" (Chapter 17)
33 posted on 07/02/2011 5:50:22 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: COBOL2Java
...just a million years ago next November...

Some people just have a way with words, don't they?

34 posted on 07/02/2011 5:57:32 AM PDT by Bob
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: smokingfrog

So basically, it’s the same effect as putting salt on the ice on my driveway... I know it’s more complicated than that, but that’s the start of the process.

The question is; what started this process in the first place? It can’t be global warming. The antarctic is gaining ice and snow.


35 posted on 07/02/2011 6:13:06 AM PDT by Marie (I agree with everything that Rick Perry is saying. I just wish that *he* did. (NO to Bush II))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: smokingfrog

I suspect those villianous reptiles from “V.”


36 posted on 07/02/2011 9:57:16 AM PDT by pabianice
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: meatloaf

Yeah but women and minorities will be hardest hit.


37 posted on 07/02/2011 12:30:33 PM PDT by BJClinton (Tweet your meat, lose your seat.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: TigersEye

Is the white part the ice? It is nearly exactly the same.


38 posted on 07/02/2011 4:57:06 PM PDT by Beowulf9
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: BlackVeil
"the north-west passage is still iced up." But as soon as it melts we're in like Flynn!
39 posted on 07/02/2011 5:05:06 PM PDT by Beowulf9
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Beowulf9
The white part is ice (or snow) on the land. The multi-colored key on the upper left shows the different thicknesses of sea ice 100 being the thickest. I don't see a lot of difference myself. Yes, there is somewhat less sea ice this year on the same date as in 1979 but not a lot. I expect that not every year is the same or every decade on a given date.

Houston, we have a problem. And the problem is lying propagandists who want our money.

40 posted on 07/02/2011 5:54:45 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Zuse

You nailed it. That was known about ten years ago. Marine volcanoes on the Arctic Sea floor.


41 posted on 07/02/2011 6:44:21 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: smokingfrog; 11B40; A Balrog of Morgoth; A message; ACelt; Aeronaut; AFPhys; AlexW; ...
DOOMAGE!

Global Warming PING!

You have been pinged because of your interest in environmentalism, alarmist wackos, mainstream media doomsday hype, and other issues pertaining to global warming.

Freep-mail me to get on or off: Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to all note-worthy threads on global warming.

Monckton Myth #8: Rising sea levels

Climate scientists eviscerate Lord Monckton’s attempt to disinform the U.S. Congress

21 Climate Scientists Debunk Lord Monckton’s Congressional Testimony

PM excludes gasoline from Aussie carbon tax plan

Monckton Myth #16: Bizarro World Sea Level

Monckton Myth #14: Monckton's Hunt for the H-spot Leaves me Unsatisfied

Monckton Myth #15: Tragedy of the Commons

Monckton bunkum #5 -- What, MORE errors, my lord?

The chief troupier: the follies of Mr Monckton

Global Warming on Free Republic

Latest from Global Warming News

Latest from Real Climate

Latest from Climate Depot

Latest from Greenie Watch

Latest from Junk Science

Latest from Terra Daily

42 posted on 07/02/2011 9:42:55 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (July 23, 2017 - This is Ellis Wyatt. I am on strike.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

>> The speed at which sea ice is disappearing in the Arctic has far exceeded almost all predictions and alarmed climate scientists.

Thus, the alarmists are indisputably wrong.


43 posted on 07/02/2011 9:47:44 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: smokingfrog

Ice Sheets from the last ice age still retreating?

Nah, couldn’t be that....


44 posted on 07/03/2011 12:06:52 AM PDT by dila813
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

What’s this stuff about Monckton about?


45 posted on 07/06/2011 7:57:13 PM PDT by I got the rope
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Some of your links are stupid.


46 posted on 07/06/2011 7:59:40 PM PDT by I got the rope
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: I got the rope

Posting both sides, where I find them.


47 posted on 07/06/2011 8:10:49 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (July 23, 2017 - This is Ellis Wyatt. I am on strike.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Well the Monckton attack links are pure stupidity and ad hominems. No need to link to that. Monckton is correct. Remember...sea level numbers are recalculated values. All the effects we are seeing from the sea-level are based on how you treat the data...when you correct post-glacial rebound.

Here's an example of another failed approach.


48 posted on 07/09/2011 10:43:08 AM PDT by I got the rope
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: smokingfrog
Photobucket
49 posted on 07/09/2011 10:48:41 AM PDT by lonevoice (Life is short. Make fun of it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Here’s a link showing NASA changing the past data by 15% to show greater sea level rise:

http://climateaudit.org/2009/08/21/nasa-sea-level-update/


50 posted on 07/09/2011 10:49:41 AM PDT by I got the rope
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson