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More federal agencies implicated in gun-trafficking controversy (FBI, DEA, Oh My...)
The Los Angeles Times ^ | July 6, 2011, 3:27 p.m. | Richard A. Serrano

Posted on 07/06/2011 4:13:52 PM PDT by Smogger

Reporting from Washington— The embattled head of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms has told congressional investigators that the FBI and Drug Enforcement Administration kept his agency "in the dark" about their dealings with Mexican drug cartel figures linked to a controversial gun-trafficking investigation.

Kenneth Melson, the ATF's acting director, has been under pressure to resign over the agency's handling of the gun-trafficking operation, known as Fast and Furious. But in two days of meetings with investigators, Melson disclosed that other law enforcement agencies had a connection to the operation. His statements sharply ratcheted up the affair, and strongly suggested that House and Senate investigations, as well as an internal review by the Justice Department, will widen.

"Our investigation has clearly expanded," one source close to the investigation said Wednesday. "We know now it was not something limited to just a small group of ATF agents in Arizona."

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; batf; dea; fastandfurious; fbi; grassley; gunwalker; holder; issa; obama
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Ruh-oh!
1 posted on 07/06/2011 4:13:55 PM PDT by Smogger
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To: Smogger

It’s gettin’ uglier and uglier.. load up on popcorn and adult beverages


2 posted on 07/06/2011 4:15:22 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: Smogger

I was hoping Melson would come clean


3 posted on 07/06/2011 4:16:43 PM PDT by jersey117
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To: Smogger

Good. Maybe they aren’t all obozo buttlickers at the higher levels.


4 posted on 07/06/2011 4:19:10 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Smogger

Bfl.


5 posted on 07/06/2011 4:20:30 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who won’t leave.)
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To: Smogger

She’s Come Undone
She’s come undone
She didn’t know
what she was headed for
And when I found
what she was headed for
It was too late

She’s come undone
She found a mountain
that was far too high
And when she found out
she couldn’t fly
It was too late

It’s too late
She’s gone too far
She’s lost the sun
She’s come undone
She wanted truth
but all she got was lies
Came the time to realize
And it was too late

She’s come undone
She didn’t know
what she was headed for
And when I found
what she was headed for
Mama, it was too late

It’s too late
She’s gone too far
She’s lost the sun
She’s come undone


6 posted on 07/06/2011 4:20:42 PM PDT by bunkerhill7
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To: Smogger

Funny how the headline calls it a “controversy.” I guess “scandals” are for Republican administrations.


7 posted on 07/06/2011 4:21:27 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Government borrowing is Taxation without Representation)
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To: Smogger

..the rats will run out of lifesavers this time. They are starting to figure out, that the little boy king isn’t worth jail time.


8 posted on 07/06/2011 4:21:59 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: jersey117

Drip drip drip.


9 posted on 07/06/2011 4:23:07 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who won’t leave.)
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To: Smogger

Melson should not....
go paddling in a canoe alone
do not visit Arkansas
stay off bridges crossing deep rivers
stay out of airplanes
stay away from tall buildings
do not eat sushi
avoid people with umbrellas


10 posted on 07/06/2011 4:23:11 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: Smogger

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 1 > § 4
Prev | Next § 4. Misprision of felony
How Current is This? Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

Are we going to see a perp walk from DOJ? Oh My!


11 posted on 07/06/2011 4:29:43 PM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: Smogger

The real ‘shocker’ in this article is this:

“On Wednesday, Mexican federal police released a videotaped interrogation with recently captured Jesus Rejon Aguilar, an alleged founder of the Zetas gang there who is wanted in the slaying of a U.S. immigration agent in Mexico. He brazenly told them that “all the weapons are bought in the United States” and that “even the American government itself was selling the weapons.”

He added, “Whatever you want, you can get.”

HMMMMM....we need to find this video! Obama is giving aid and comfort to the drug cartels in Mexico! This is an impeachable offense.


12 posted on 07/06/2011 4:30:03 PM PDT by penelopesire (Let The Congressional Hearings Begin!)
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To: Smogger

The corruption among law enforcement in this country is rampant, from the smallest city PD all the way up to the Dept of Justice...


13 posted on 07/06/2011 4:31:51 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
14 posted on 07/06/2011 4:34:40 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Smogger

IF this guy is telling the whole truth rather than just a scripted version, it has to be because he knows the coverup can get him in more trouble than the original (criminal) acts.

I also found this telling:
Ronald Welch, assistant attorney general for legislative affairs,..... said their main focus is “how best to protect ongoing investigations.”

Oh yes, that touchstone again, “ongoing investigations” is law enforcements/regulatory agencies version of the interstate commerce clause. ANYTHING can be hidden or excused under “ongoing investigations”!

The author of the article continues to support the lie the majority of cartel guns originate in the U.S.!
“Mexican authorities have long complained that most of the guns that fuel the drug wars there are purchased in the U.S.”

In reality this has been discredited for a long time, but the libs continue to spout it as fact.
He even goes so far as to quote a major drug lord, like that’s a credible source.


15 posted on 07/06/2011 4:37:39 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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To: Smogger
Jesus Rejon Aguilar, an alleged founder of the Zetas gang there who is wanted in the slaying of a U.S. immigration agent in Mexico. He brazenly told them that "all the weapons are bought in the United States" and that "even the American government itself was selling the weapons."

LOL, so brazenly told. But, yes. Selling them to the Mexican police, the Mexican army, and lots of other "legitimate" sales to Mexicans that end up in the drug gangs' hands.
16 posted on 07/06/2011 4:42:56 PM PDT by andyk (Interstate != Intrastate)
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To: NormsRevenge

Can anyone explain what they possibly hoped to accomplish with this exercise?


17 posted on 07/06/2011 4:51:40 PM PDT by Smogger
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To: NormsRevenge

We are about to witness the greatest CYA caper in the history of the Republic.

I can hardly wait! :-)


18 posted on 07/06/2011 5:00:29 PM PDT by willibeaux (de ole Korean War vet age 81)
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To: Smogger

They hoped to inflate the numbers of firearms in Mexico that were traceable to being sold in the U.S. then use that to try to restrict Americans’ right to keep and bear arms.


19 posted on 07/06/2011 5:01:24 PM PDT by FreedomForce (A conservative 2012)
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To: Smogger

“Can someone explain what they possibly hoped to accomplish with this exercise?”

They wanted to be able to say that Mexico was getting their guns from the USA and we needed to ban all gun sales and gun ownership in the USA.


20 posted on 07/06/2011 5:07:56 PM PDT by FR_addict
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To: Smogger


21 posted on 07/06/2011 5:08:48 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: FreedomForce
They hoped to inflate the numbers of firearms in Mexico that were traceable to being sold in the U.S. then use that to try to restrict Americans’ right to keep and bear arms.

Can't blame this one on Bush.

22 posted on 07/06/2011 5:09:07 PM PDT by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: Smogger
Can anyone explain what they possibly hoped to accomplish with this exercise?

I'll hypothesize that the current administration was hoping that the violence in Mexico would spill over into the Southern U.S. and thereby allowing the Obmination administration to force through congress some rather draconian gun control laws. Just my take on this.

23 posted on 07/06/2011 5:09:13 PM PDT by Traveler59 ( Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: Smogger

hmmm....once again this jibes with ulster man’s cryptic postings.

I think I’m drinking the kool-aid on this “white house insider” business.


24 posted on 07/06/2011 5:19:05 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Smogger
Where are the lefties that cried about Reagan arming the Contras?

Surely, Obama's and Holder's arming Mexican drug cartels is worthy of the left's ire?

Also, what did Hillary know and when did she know it?

What's up with Mueller at the FBI? Didn't he recently agree to stay on and not retire?

25 posted on 07/06/2011 5:21:57 PM PDT by csvset
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To: Smogger

Here is the text of the letter:
****************************

The Honorable Eric H. Holder, Jr.
Attorney General u.s. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW Washington, DC 20530

Dear Attorney General Holder:

Yesterday, Acting ATF Director Kenneth Melson participated in a transcribed interview regarding Operation Fast and Furious and related matters with both Republican and Democratic staff. He appeared with his personal counsel, Richard CullenofMcGuireWoodsLLP. His interview had originally been scheduled through the Justice Department to occur on July 13 in the presence of DOJ and ATF counsel. As you know, however, under our agreement Department witnesses who choose to attend a voluntary interview with their own lawyer are free to exercise that right rather than participate with counsel representing the Department’s interests.

After being made aware of that provision of our agreement, Acting Director Melson chose to exercise that right and appeared with his own lawyer. We are disappointed that no one had previously informed him of that provision of the agreement. Instead, Justice Department officials sought to limit and control his communications with Congress. This is yet another example of why direct communications with Congress are so important and are protected by law.

Specifically, no officer or employee may attempt to prohibit or prevent “any other officer or employee of the Federal Government from having direct oral or written communication or contact with any Member, committee, or subcommittee of the Congress” about a matter related to his employment or the agency “in any way, irrespective of whether such communication or contact is at the initiative” of the employee or Congress (emphasis added). Moreover, the prohibition also applies to any officer or employee who “removes, suspends from duty without pay ... any other officer or employee of the Federal Government ... by reason of any communication or contact of such other officer or employee with any Member, committee, or subcommittee of the Congress.” Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2010, P.L.111-117, 123 Stat. 3034, § 714 (2010), as continued by §1104 ofP.L. 112-10- which extends the funding levels, as well as “the authority and conditions provided in such Acts,” through September 30, 2011.

Acting Director Melson’s cooperation was extremely helpful to our investigation. He was candid in admitting mistakes that his agency made and described various ways he says that he tried to remedy the problems. According to Mr. Melson, it was not until after the public controversy that he personally reviewed hundreds of documents relating to the case,including wiretap applications and Reports of Investigation (ROIs). By his account, he was sick to his stomach when he obtained those documents and learned the fullstory. Mr.Melson said that he told the Office of the Deputy Attorney General (ODAG) at the end of March that the Department needed to reexamine how it was responding to the requests for information from Congress

According to Mr. Melson, he and ATF’s senior leadership team moved to reassign every manager involved in Fast and Furious, from the Deputy Assistant Director for Field Operations down to the Group Supervisor, after learning the facts in those documents. Mr. Melson also said he was not allowed to communicate to Congress the reasons for the reassignments. He claimed that ATF’s senior leadership would have preferred to be more cooperative with our inquiry much earlier in the process. However, he said that Justice Department officials directed them not to respond and took full control of replying to briefing and document requests from Congress. The result is that Congress only got the parts of the story that the Department wanted us to hear. Ifhis account is accurate, then ATF leadership appears to have been effectively muzzled while the DOJ sent over false denials and buried its head in the sand. That approach distorted the truth and obstructed our investigation. The Department’s inability or unwillingness to be more forthcoming served to conceal critical information that we are now learning about the involvement of other agencies, including the DEA and the FBI.

The Role of DEA, FBI, and Other Agencies
When confronted with information about serious issues involving lack of information sharing by other agencies, which Committee staff had originally learned from other witnesses, Mr. Melson’s responses tended to corroborate what others had said. Specifically, we have very real indications from several sources that some of the gun trafficking “higher-ups” that the ATF sought to identify were already known to other agencies and may even have been paid as informants. The Acting Director said that ATF was kept in the dark about certain activities of other agencies, including DEA andFBI. Mr.MelsonsaidthathelearnedfromATFagentsinthefieldthatinformation obtained by these agencies could have had a material impact on the Fast and Furious investigation as far back as late 2009 or early 2010. After learning about the possible role of DEA and FBI, he testified that he reported this information in April 2011 to the Acting Inspector General and directly to then-Acting Deputy Attorney General James Cole on June 16, 2011.

The evidence we have gathered raises the disturbing possibility that the Justice Department not only allowed criminals to smuggle weapons but that taxpayer dollars from other agencies may have financed those engaging in such activities. While this is preliminary information, we must find out if there is any truth to it. According to Acting Director Melson, he became aware of this startling possibility only after the murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and the indictments of the straw purchasers, which we now know were substantially delayed by the u.s. Attorney’s Office and Main Justice. Mr. Melson provided documents months ago supporting his concerns to the official in the ODAG responsible for document production to the Committees, but those documents have not been provided to us.

It is one thing to argue that the ends justify the means in an attempt to defend a policy that puts building a big case ahead of stopping known criminals from getting guns. Yet it is a much more serious matter to conceal from Congress the possible involvement of other agencies in identifying and maybe even working with the same criminals that Operation Fast and Furious was trying to identify. Ifthis information is accurate, then the whole misguided operation might have been cut short if not for catastrophic failures to share key information. If agencies within the same Department, co-located at the same facilities, had simply communicated with one another, then ATF might have known that gun trafficking “higher-ups” had been already identified. This raises new and serious questions about the role of DEA, FBI, the United States Attorney’s Office in Arizona, and Main Justice in coordinating this effort. Nearly a decade after the September 11th attacks, the stovepipes of information within our government may still be causing tragic mistakes long after they should have been broken down.

Efforts to Oust Melson
In the last few weeks, unnamed administration officials have indicated to the press that Acting Director Melson would be forced to resign. According to Mr.Melson, those initial reports were untrue. Regardless of what we might have thought before about how he should handle a request to resign, we now know he has not been asked to resign. We also now have the benefit of hearing his side of the story and will have a chance to examine what he said and compare it to the other evidence we are gathering. However, that will take some time. Mr. Melson served as the First Assistant to the U.S. Attorney in the Eastern District ofVirginia for 21 years, from 1986 to 2007. That is a career position. After the controversy over the firing of the U.S. Attorneys, he took over the Executive Office for U.S. Attorneys (EOUSA). He indicated that he was asked to convert to a non-career Senior Executive Service (SES), a politically appointed position, in order to speed the hiringprocess,andheagreed. However,his former position at EOUSA is currently filled by a career SES employee, Marshall Jarrett. As you know, for civil servants, the distinction between career and non-career status is significant.

In 2009, he said he was asked to take over as Acting Director of the ATF. Acting Director of the ATF is by its nature a temporary job. According to Mr. Melson, he was willing to serve the Department with the understanding that after a short tenure as Acting Director, he would return to a position as a career senior executive elsewhere within the Department. However, two days after he told Acting Deputy Attorney General Cole about serious issues involving lack of information sharing, the Wall Street Journal reported that unnamed sources said that Melson was about to be ousted.

The revelations about Operation Fast and Furious have focused intense scrutiny on the ATF. It has no doubt taken a toll on the agency and the good people who work there. Much of that damage has occurred because the Department prevented ATF from being more forthcoming and responsive to questions from Congress. This is the context in which Mr. Melson decided to submit to an on-the-record interview with private counsel, pursuant to our agreement with the Department.

Technically, Mr. Melson no longer enjoys the due process protections afforded to career officials. Given his testimony, unless a permanent director is confirmed, it would be inappropriate for the Justice Department to take action against him that could have the effect of intimidating others who might want to provide additional information to the Committees.

We hope that the Department will take a much more candid and forthcoming approach in addressing these very serious matters with the Committees. Ifother important fact witnesses like Mr. Melson have a desire to communicate directly with the Committees they should be informed that they are free to do so. They should also be notified that if they are represented by personal counsel, they may appear with personal counsel rather than with Department lawyers. Any decision about Mr. Melson’s future with the Department would need to be justified solely on the basis of the facts and the needs of the agency, rather than on his decision to speak to us. We encourage you to communicate to us any additional significant information about any such decision so that we can work together to ensure that it would not impede our investigation. For now, the Office of Inspector General is still conducting its review, and we are still conducting ours. Knowing what we know so far, we believe it would be inappropriate to make Mr. Melson the fall guy in an attempt to prevent further congressional oversight.

Sincerely,

Darrell Issa, Chairman
Committee on Oversight & Government Reform
U.S. House of Representatives

Charles E. Grassley, Ranking Member
Committee on the Judiciary
United States Senate


26 posted on 07/06/2011 5:24:03 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions." Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: dynachrome
Mexican politicians began talking openly of seeking extradition of the ATF, etc., officials responsible for all the killings ~ and this guy rolled over like a stuck piggy.

Others will do so ~

Actually, Freepers were discussing extradition of ATF folks, etc. to Mexico for trial well over a month ago.

27 posted on 07/06/2011 5:26:36 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: rlmorel

I hear Nixon beginning to stir. This is going to be something else!


28 posted on 07/06/2011 5:28:00 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: pointsal

Avoid “ parks named Ft. Marcy”


29 posted on 07/06/2011 5:30:07 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: FreedomForce

Yep “We are working on gun control under the radar.” I think obambo made that quote not so long ago. SOB’s in it up to his eyeball’s.


30 posted on 07/06/2011 5:37:19 PM PDT by Chaos
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To: rlmorel
I'm not sure I like that letter...
I don't like it -- but I make allowances that one must be cagey - and not direct - and I can only hope that they are slowly putting the chess pieces in place to spring the checkmate later. But I didn't like this paragraph:

It is one thing to argue that the ends justify the means in an attempt to defend a policy that puts building a big case ahead of stopping known criminals from getting guns. Yet it is a much more serious matter to conceal from Congress the possible involvement of other agencies in identifying and maybe even working with the same criminals that Operation Fast and Furious was trying to identify. If this information is accurate, then the whole misguided operation might have been cut short if not for catastrophic failures to share key information. If agencies within the same Department, co-located at the same facilities, had simply communicated with one another, then ATF might have known that gun trafficking “higher-ups” had been already identified. This raises new and serious questions about the role of DEA, FBI, the United States Attorney’s Office in Arizona, and Main Justice in coordinating this effort. Nearly a decade after the September 11th attacks, the stovepipes of information within our government may still be causing tragic mistakes long after they should have been broken down.

It seems like they are offering an excuse to Holder. 'Yes, this was simply a case of sloppy communications between different departments. Shame on us, we will appoint a blue ribbon committee to make sure we don't have miscommunication SNAFUs like this in the future...'

As opposed to: 'This was a criminal activity launched by the Government, resulting in the deaths of many people (Americans and Mexicans), with the sole intent to build a story that guns were going from America to Mexico - and thus we need to implement Draconian Gun Control laws'.
Guns did go from America to Mexico -- but through the active connivance of the ATF and Justice Department.

Hopefully I'm wrong -- and Issa and Grassley are just slowly putting the pieces into play.

31 posted on 07/06/2011 5:38:26 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: El Cid

You may be right. We are going to have to watch how this plays out.


32 posted on 07/06/2011 5:42:15 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions." Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: Smogger

sfl


33 posted on 07/06/2011 5:45:53 PM PDT by phockthis
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To: Smogger
Can anyone explain what they possibly hoped to accomplish with this exercise?

Certainly. Eric Holder and his underlings were on the payroll of the Mexican drug cartels, and were providing their amigos the weapons so that they could overthrow the barely-elected government of Mexico and establish a permanent safe haven for their joint narcotics peddling operations in the United States.

34 posted on 07/06/2011 5:54:01 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: archy

In other words..business as usual..find a way to overthrow a government?

So, is the CIA involved in this as well???


35 posted on 07/06/2011 5:59:17 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2011/07/fighting-losing-multi-front.html

“As one of my sources said when I asked why Holder was dropping his war on the CIA now, “Because he was ordered to by Obama. From what I hear, Holder was about as willing to do this as a rape victim.” But, he added, “Holder’s on the way out and everybody knows it. Your little scandal (Gunwalker) will take him down and Obama isn’t interested in anything else at the moment but avoiding public responsibility for it and getting re-elected. . . There are people at CIA who know everything there is to know about (Gunwalker) and who the guilty operators are in the administration. Wouldn’t you want to make those people happy if you were in his shoes?”


36 posted on 07/06/2011 6:04:34 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Smogger
Jamie Gorelick; please pick up the white courtesy phone...
37 posted on 07/06/2011 6:05:19 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Eh ?)
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To: RummyChick

More on Zetas from a Mexican paper

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2011/07/from-mexican-newspaper-excelsior-us.html


38 posted on 07/06/2011 6:06:20 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Smogger

Scalps.
Grassley’s lodge pole has some already.


39 posted on 07/06/2011 6:08:02 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Eh ?)
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To: RummyChick
"Furthermore, the arms trafficking from the American Union to Mexico took place in periods of 20 days, a month or month and a half, according to the review and operation that the federal authorities carried out. The transport of armaments were facilitated for the Gulf Cartel by having an agreement with the authorities, said Rejon Aguilar in his initial statements.

“We cannot overlook the reason for the success of this operation; we can deduce that it is impossible to be buying arms much less take them in the trunk of a car and be able to freely pass, well there had to have been a treaty or something, I don’t know, one can suppose that there had to have been a treaty with the government, I don’t know.”
40 posted on 07/06/2011 6:08:16 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

41 posted on 07/06/2011 6:15:00 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: csvset
What's up with Mueller at the FBI? Didn't he recently agree to stay on and not retire?

Bobby Three Sticks is not loved by many within the Bureau. Just after Obama virtually begged congress for a two-year extension to Director Mueller's ten year reign- he's the 6th FBI director, and will be second only to J. Edgar Hoover when he retires- the FBI *suddenly* gets their big break in the search for Top Ten Fugitive Whitey Bulger- which may yet become a nasty embarassment for the FBI. And any baby agent can tell you that rule one at the Bureay, is Don't Embarass the Bureau.

Add in the continued failure to bring forth an indictable suspect in the AmericaThrax anthrax terrorism investigation, and Mueller has real problems.

Indeed, the reason for Mueller's retention may be Obama's fear that any attempted appointment of a new director would be subject to Senate investigation and approval, which may very well not be granted with the one-two punch of the Gunwalker Scandal and potential charges against the BATFE Acting Director that could result in sworn testimony against the Attorney General. Or higher....

42 posted on 07/06/2011 6:16:03 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: RummyChick
In other words..business as usual..find a way to overthrow a government?

So, is the CIA involved in this as well???

Potentially. But if'n I was a bettin' feller, I'd bet more on the State Department.

Press Statement

Philip J. Crowley
Assistant Secretary, Bureau of Public Affairs

Washington, DC

January 21, 2011

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton will travel to Mexico at the invitation of Foreign Secretary Patricia Espinosa on Monday, January 24, 2011.

Secretary of State Clinton and Secretary Espinosa will meet in Guanajuato to discuss key issues that the United States and Mexico face individually and as partners, including joint cooperation to combat organized crime, strengthening the competitiveness of our two economies, modernizing the border between our countries and advancing the global climate change agenda after the Cancun Summit.

The United States and Mexico share many opportunities and challenges and work collaboratively on a wide range of issues. This visit is an opportunity to reinforce the close relations between the two nations and to identify common objectives and strategies to ensure greater security and well-being for the citizens of both countries.

Mierda Initiative

43 posted on 07/06/2011 6:25:29 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: archy

Don’t you think they have to end this pretty quickly. Obama doesn’t want this to spill over into his election cycle.

It’s coming to a head. Melson is off the reservation..trying to keep himself from going down.

Holder will be resigning soon.

I think it is telling that Holder suddenly dropped the CIA investigations.

You don’t go to war with the CIA. You can try..but you will pay. I think we have seen that many times in the past - even if ..looking at it from the outside..you don’t quite realize the CIA had a hand in it.


44 posted on 07/06/2011 6:26:21 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Smogger
They intended to blame gun shops and gun shows for this and thereby abridge the constitutional right to keep and bear arms. And they almost got away with it.
45 posted on 07/06/2011 6:33:00 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: El Cid
But I didn't like this paragraph:

That was my take, too, in another FR thread about this letter.

But it seems that Issa and Grassley have not gotten this far by being pushovers, and so I will hope that this is also part of the "strategery"...

46 posted on 07/06/2011 6:37:34 PM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: Smogger

While swearing they’re both pure as nuns,
seems Obozo and Holder ran guns.
Down to old Mexico
did these firearms go
and their hubristic plot simply stuns.
Dick Bachert


47 posted on 07/06/2011 6:39:08 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (a)
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To: Smogger
"Our investigation has clearly expanded," one source close to the investigation said Wednesday. "We know now it was not something limited to just a small group of ATF agents in Arizona."

Gee, whiz.

Would the President, the Attorney General and the Secretary of State have all been mindlessly promoting the actions of a "a small group of ATF agents in Arizona"?

48 posted on 07/06/2011 6:40:54 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: El Cid

That letter was a 16 inch shell over the DOJ’s bow. Issa and Grassley are playing a very complicated game of chess with the Obama (mal)administration, not a game of checkers, and that requires, to paraphrase Teddy Roosevelt, that you talk softly and carry a big stick.

Also, the fact of the matter is that Issa and Grassley don’t want DOJ or the other conspirators in the Obama (mal)administration to figure out their gameplan, so they use innuendo and “gentle reminders” and take the public approach of being conciliatory in order to keep DOJ and the rest off guard, drive up their anxiety and panic - which will almost inevitably draw more rats away from the ship - and will turn up the infighting by playing on their paranoia and their fear, and fear feeds on uncertainty, not certainty. If Issa and Grassley played their hands too straight right now, they would give the game away and DOJ would know precisely what they have to attack and how they have to attack it.

No, this was a very skillfully written letter that is almost certainly driving the political operatives in the DOJ nuts with fear.


49 posted on 07/06/2011 6:46:07 PM PDT by Oceander (The phrase "good enough for government work" is not meant as a compliment)
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To: Smogger
Can anyone explain what they possibly hoped to accomplish with this exercise?

Actually, it's pretty obvious. They hoped to undermine the Second Amendment.

Several months ago, Obama, Holder and Hillary all raised the concern that the border needed to be closed -- so as to keep all those uncontrolled weapons purchased at gun shows and gun dealers from being shipped into Mexico.

That was obviously the beginning of a contrived move to undermine the 2nd Amendment -- since they knew that the USG was the actual source of the "uncontrolled weaponry".

This constitutes a provable conspiracy to subvert the Bill of Rights -- originating at the very pinnacle of the government.

Unprecedented. And monstrous.

50 posted on 07/06/2011 6:53:20 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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