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UConn Rescinds 13-Year-Old's Acceptance
Henry Louis Gates' "The Root" ^ | 6 July | Desmond-Harris

Posted on 07/07/2011 5:52:19 AM PDT by flowerplough

Autum Ashante, a highly academically accomplished 13-year-old from the Bronx, N.Y., planned to start her freshman year at the University of Connecticut this fall. Now, her father says, the school has rescinded her acceptance, the Daily News reports.

Batin Ashante said that his daughter was "devastated" after university officials called him yesterday to deliver the bad news. "They said they now feel she's not academically ready," he said. "That's BS!"

When the story was first reported in mid-June, UConn spokesman Richard Veilleaux confirmed that Autum had been accepted to the school but said university officials were still waiting for the family to formally enroll. Autum -- a homeschooled student widely described as a "prodigy," who speaks four languages and has an IQ of 149 -- was widely praised by the media and blogosphere.

"I've got nothing but positive feedback," her father told the Daily News. "I'm her dad, and it just bothers me to see her go through this." He said the family had notified the school she'd be attending, raised funds for tuition and planned to move to Connecticut. They'll still go after receiving this news but will explore other academic options. "I'm fed up. They have insulted us and the work that we've put in," he added. "I'm not sure I want her to be involved with an institution that treats her like that."

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KEYWORDS: genius; highereducation; iq; uconn
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1 posted on 07/07/2011 5:52:23 AM PDT by flowerplough
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To: flowerplough

I would like one of the FR’s to please correct me if I am wrong but an I.Q. of 149 doesn’t make her a genius. Is she gifted/talented? Yes, absolutely but she’s not a prodigy. Let her enjoy her high school years before attending a college. IMHO.


2 posted on 07/07/2011 5:58:13 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: momtothree

High school, the place to get dumbed down and pregnant.


3 posted on 07/07/2011 6:02:21 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: momtothree

Reading the ‘Comments’ section, it appears there is a bit more to this story than it first seems. Sounds like the Father has been fast and loose with the truth on several issues. The UConn rejection might have something to so with those items coming to light.


4 posted on 07/07/2011 6:04:19 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito Ergo Conservitus.)
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To: momtothree

A 13 yr old is not anywhere near ready for college, socially and emotionally ...kudos to CT for not buckling to the race card and doing what is best for the child

I’m sure there are private advanced academic academies more age appropriate for children who test at genius levels

her father sounds like a big part of her future problems


5 posted on 07/07/2011 6:05:18 AM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: momtothree
IQs usually increase as you get older (for most of us anyway!). An IQ of 149 at age 13 is pretty darn high.
6 posted on 07/07/2011 6:06:08 AM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
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To: momtothree
I would like one of the FR’s to please correct me if I am wrong but an I.Q. of 149 doesn’t make her a genius.

An IQ of 140 is generally considered to be "genius."

7 posted on 07/07/2011 6:08:20 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: flowerplough

She certainly sounds smart. It’s a pity her parents didn’t know how to spell “Autumn”...


8 posted on 07/07/2011 6:08:29 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: momtothree

She never went to college, she was homeschooled. In all things considered, it was a wise thing for her father to do. If she went to high school then she would have been under alot of peer pressure and may became just another statistic in teen pregnancy and H.S. dropout.

But of course 13 is way to young to go to college, she should go when she is 18 instead. In the meantime, she can study subjects that interest her. Even prodigies shouldn’t be going to college until 18.


9 posted on 07/07/2011 6:08:34 AM PDT by Roger_Wildcat
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:)


10 posted on 07/07/2011 6:09:01 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: momtothree

140 would put her at the low end of the genius table.


11 posted on 07/07/2011 6:09:29 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Roger_Wildcat

Meant to say, never went to highschool...


12 posted on 07/07/2011 6:09:46 AM PDT by Roger_Wildcat
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To: flowerplough

Can a racist lawsuit be in the near future?


13 posted on 07/07/2011 6:12:13 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: flowerplough; All

http://educationwonk.blogspot.com/2006/03/autum-ashante-child-prodigy-or.html

A child homeschooled by a virulent rasist who apparently has not provided all the requested “documentation” of her test/claimed IQ scores etc to the University?

Are not college acceptances “provisional” upon receipt of all background materials requested?

Hmm. I smell “civil rights” lawsuit and payola. Not to mention papa bankrolling all those “donated” tuition funds.


14 posted on 07/07/2011 6:12:29 AM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: momtothree

According to Mensa, A genius in the top 2 per cent of the population. For IQ measures, 145 is approximately the top 1 per cent, so she would qualify.


15 posted on 07/07/2011 6:16:21 AM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“High school, the place to get dumbed down and pregnant”.

You can’t get pregnant or “dumbed down” in a college? There are many options for this girl. I know one boy who was brilliant in math. We’re not talking smart but “knock it out of the park” brilliant at math. He wasn’t “global” but high I.Q.’d at math only. So, he took his honor English, language, etc... at the local high school and his math classes at a college. The school system worked with him since he finished all high school math (including Calculus, statistics etc) by ninth grade. My point is unless a student is global (i.e. brilliant in all subjects), finished successfully all requirements for high school, has the emotional capability to attend an adult university... then she should be able to experience her youth. This young lady could still take advanced courses at a local community college or online and still be with people her own age.


16 posted on 07/07/2011 6:16:48 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: momtothree

Hmmm, 149?.........then I must be right on the border...............


17 posted on 07/07/2011 6:23:10 AM PDT by Red Badger (Casey Anthony: "Surprise, surprise."...............)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

And drunk ! Uconn is my alma mater , notoriously known as a drinking school with a basketball problem .


18 posted on 07/07/2011 6:24:41 AM PDT by sushiman
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To: silverleaf

19 posted on 07/07/2011 6:26:21 AM PDT by WVKayaker (The GOP needs to live the planks of its platform, not just offer lip service. -Sarah Palin 8/2008)
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To: Roger_Wildcat

Being home schooled is probably the reason she was denied access to College.

A 13 year old who has done this well without the Gov schools is a slap in the face for the left who believe only bad things come from not sending a child to their awful school system.


20 posted on 07/07/2011 6:31:18 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: flowerplough

What’s that, you say? Automne Enchanté?

Can’t you just see the queue of sleazy tort lawyers, business cards in hand, competing to he’p this “victim” and her family from the Bronx? Scores of TV sound trucks too, and a loud rally headed by Rev’ren’ Sharpton. Why, I’m sure there’s plenty of room for cameo roles for Shumer, Obama, Rangel, and Weiner. This story reads like “Bonfire of the Vanities Redux”.

Tom Wolfe should be demanding royalties if this story stays on its predictable course.


21 posted on 07/07/2011 6:31:59 AM PDT by Mobties (Reduce the government footprint! Let the markets work!)
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To: momtothree
Let her enjoy her high school years before attending a college.

Sending her to high school is a bad plan. She needs to be challenged, and that's not going to happen in high school (genius or not.)

Our son wasn't a genius, but I had taken him as far in math as my "little brain" could handle, so we enrolled him at the local community college at 15. He passed the College Placement test at a level necessary to be placed in College Alg. and Comp I...beyond that there were no age restrictions.

He spent a couple years there, then transferred to the state U for his BA, and had his graduate work completed at a another university by 21...and again I state, he is not a genius. But he enjoyed the college classes, and especially the graduate studies.

Fortunately we have major universities in our area, so he could live at home.

Enjoying high school is highly overrated and usually involves a major waste of time for a student...he maintained an active social life outside of school with other friends. And at this point in his life (he's 23) has a great job, married, and enjoying life) He is so grateful that he has his education out of the way early on.

22 posted on 07/07/2011 6:36:40 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: flowerplough
"I'm fed up. They have insulted us and the work that we've put in," he added. "I'm not sure I want her to be involved with an institution that treats her like that."

I don't know what the exact concerns of the university are in this case. I can think of an entire laundry list of concerns that have nothing to do with I.Q. However, it sounds like the university is data driven and Dad is driven purely by emotion and a sense of entitlement.

Home schooling can take many different forms that can either broaden or restrict the exposure to the world outside of the nuclear family. Our home school in middle school consisted on my hiring a very good teacher with high academic and discipline standards (which included a strong, non-denominational religious curriculum - we are Catholic and she was Baptist). Once set up, other families flocked to our home school with other parents helping with the curriculum. A retired engineer, for example, helped teach math.

The bottom line is that our children were exposed to more than just our nuclear family quirks.

From the way Dad sounds and acts, I can imagine that one concern that the university might have in this particular case is:


23 posted on 07/07/2011 6:37:24 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: flowerplough
I trust IQ tests to measure intelligence about as much as I trust climate models to predict climate.
24 posted on 07/07/2011 6:41:01 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: The_Victor

“An I.Q. of 140 is generally considered to be “genius”

Okay... here goes! The article never really went into detail if she is global or not. My son attended a G.T. program in our county. His I.Q. is between 140-150 and there were classmates of his that made him look “average”. Did I see parents that pushed the academics of their kids? Absolutely... to the point of neurosis. Were their parents that helped their kids only when they needed it but focused on the fact that they were just kids? Absolutely. Most of his class are attending high school now and taking the honor classes and A.P. classes. A few of the math quants have finished all of the math classes that could be offered and are taking math (of all sorts)online or at a local college. However, they still attend a football game or participate in a high school club of their choice. They are still kids... just really smart ones. IMHO, if this girl really wants to go to college... then enroll her in a community college. Many people will say that their child is a genius and perhaps the UConn didn’t have the documentation to prove this child’s I.Q. was above 140. It isn’t an online test but a three day test done by an accredited group of neuropsychologists and clinical psychologists etc... and is quite expensive. The parents are kept completely out of the process after the intial interview. No testing is done at home or outside the direct view of the doctors. Perhaps my view of this situation is skewed simply because I have seen the I.Q.’s of 140-150 plus and have seen the 160 and up. Believe me, no one with any sort of experience with this wants an extremely high number... the higher the number, the more likely the person will need not only medication but life help of some form.


25 posted on 07/07/2011 6:42:50 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: momtothree

No father in my house :) would let a 13 yr old daughter go to a college environment, even if she were living at home.


26 posted on 07/07/2011 6:46:52 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: flowerplough

Apply to The Bronx High School of Science. Potentially more academically rigorous than anything at UConn.

NY City’s immigrant population is a GOLDMINE of the future best & brightest from around the world. BHS of S is gem polisher for that mine.

Genius huh? Apply there, can’t get in? you ain’t no genius.


27 posted on 07/07/2011 6:55:52 AM PDT by Macoozie (Go Sarah! Palin/Bolton 2012)
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To: flowerplough

Apply to The Bronx High School of Science. Potentially more academically rigorous than anything at UConn.

NY City’s immigrant population is a GOLDMINE of the future best & brightest from around the world. BHS of S is gem polisher for that mine.

Genius huh? Apply there, can’t get in? you ain’t no genius.


28 posted on 07/07/2011 6:56:01 AM PDT by Macoozie (Go Sarah! Palin/Bolton 2012)
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To: 101voodoo

yeah, it was all the “home schooling”

this little prodigy has done “real well” without govt schools -

this is “her” poem she read, at age 7, at invitation of public skrewls in Westchester - before aksing the kiddies to stand for the Black Panther pledge (and telling the white kids who stood up to sit down) ... all in the interest of promoting peace and racial harmony, yu know

“White Nationalism Put U In Bondage”

White nationalism is what put you in bondage
Pirate and vampires like Columbus, Morgan, and Darwin
Drank the blood of the sheep, trampled all over them with
Steel, tricks and deceit.

Nothing has changed take a look in our streets
The mis-education of she and Hegro — leaves you on your knee2grow
Black lands taken from your hands, by vampires with no remorse

They took the gold, the wisdom and all of the storytellers
They took the black women, with the black man weak
Made to watch as they changed the paradigm
Of our village

They killed the blind, they killed the lazy, they went
So far as to kill the unborn baby

Yeah White nationalism is what put you in bondage
Pirates and vampires like Columbus, Morgan, and Darwin

They drank the blood of the sheep, trampled all over them with Steel laden feet,
throw in the tricks alcohol and deceit.
Nothing has changed take a look at our streets

http://educationwonk.blogspot.com/2006/03/autum-ashante-child-prodigy-or.html


29 posted on 07/07/2011 6:58:45 AM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: MrB

Take a home schooled kid who is 17 and toss him into a school with 20,000 kids it could get overwhelming. Now do that with a 13 year old.

Being smart and being mature are two different things.


30 posted on 07/07/2011 6:59:50 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (As long as the MSM covers for Obama, he will be above the law.)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY

“IQ’s usually increase as you get older”.

As it was explained to me, I.Q. is I.Q. Wisdom and experience certainly makes us smarter and wiser but doesn’t increase our I.Q. (don’t worry... you sound super smart anyways)!!


31 posted on 07/07/2011 7:00:28 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: Macoozie
That or Stuyvesant. This kid is not your typical home schooled kid. This kid is so left wing, it's not funny.
32 posted on 07/07/2011 7:03:09 AM PDT by JimC214
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To: EQAndyBuzz

If the kid is “ready” for college at 13, that’s 5-6 years that s/he could be taught some entrepreneurial skills and start a home business of some kind.


33 posted on 07/07/2011 7:06:16 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Macoozie

“Apply to the Bronx High School of Science”

It sounds like her giftedness isn’t in science but literature and language. (Not that this is bad but specific).


34 posted on 07/07/2011 7:06:31 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY

IQ’s do not increase as one grows older, they diminish.

IQ = (mental age)/current age) * 100.

So if your mental age does not increase as you get older, your IQ will diminish.


35 posted on 07/07/2011 7:09:40 AM PDT by Will we know the moment
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To: EQAndyBuzz

My 15 had a choice to attend college this year, and she chose to wait, she is bright but not mature enough even she recognizes this, so we will challenge her in other areas while is matures.


36 posted on 07/07/2011 7:10:58 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

Sounds to me like your teen is not only bright but has some wisdom as well. A great combination!


37 posted on 07/07/2011 7:17:38 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY

My son used to lose 30 IQ points from the school bus to my front door.


38 posted on 07/07/2011 7:23:33 AM PDT by stylin19a
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To: silverleaf

Ok, so hang the b*tch!


39 posted on 07/07/2011 7:26:58 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: flowerplough
Our family went through this.

My kids were accepted to community college at the ages of 13, 12, and 13. Getting accepted there was a long trial of bureaucratic hoop jumping by itself.

Then when the kids were 15, 14, and 13 we moved to a new state. Getting the younger two re-enrolled in college was definitely not straight forward even with having many of the general college courses completed and near perfect grade point averages. The state university, at first rejected the 14 year old but a few days before classes were to start they called and said they had changed their minds. She could attend. The youngest ( 13) was accepted to the community college.

In the end, the law stated that anyone with 30 community college or college credits would automatically be accepted by the state university. The older girl decided to finish her few remaining general courses at the community college, and the younger did her’s by attending community college and one year at a very expensive private college. The two girls both finished B.S. degrees in mathematics at the state university at the age of 18.

Honestly....Charles Murray is right. We should dump college for most people and move toward qualifying exams. Nearly everything the girls learned could have been put on the Internet, except for the lab courses. The quality would likely be better, as well. They could likely have finished sooner that they did, as well, and moved on to graduate school and an even earlier age.

40 posted on 07/07/2011 7:29:59 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: MrB

no kidding..though I would let her go to convent school.


41 posted on 07/07/2011 7:31:29 AM PDT by stylin19a
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To: momtothree
I would like one of the FR’s to please correct me if I am wrong but an I.Q. of 149 doesn’t make her a genius. Is she gifted/talented? Yes, absolutely but she’s not a prodigy. Let her enjoy her high school years before attending a college. IMHO.

I was in a similar situation with my gifted home-schooled daughter, who started taking college classes at 14.

There is no way that a girl of 13 has any business hanging out with 18-19 year olds, much less living in a dorm with them. With my kid, we had her take classes at local colleges (fortunately we had a couple of good ones) as an unenrolled student. She would get dropped off before class and picked up after class. The credits, plus SAT scores and SAT subject tests, gave her application a lot more credibility when she formally enrolled at 16.

42 posted on 07/07/2011 7:32:28 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: flowerplough

many of these so called prodegies which go to college at a super young age are just the product of stage parents who push the lower school teachers around for good grades.


43 posted on 07/07/2011 7:36:35 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: wintertime

Then how would the leftist professors get paid if you did everything online!?!


44 posted on 07/07/2011 7:37:38 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: WVKayaker

and then something went horribly wrong.


45 posted on 07/07/2011 7:39:17 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Roger_Wildcat

I am certainly not super smart but I went to college when I was 17, so 18 is not something that needs to be hard and fast. It should really depend on the person.


46 posted on 07/07/2011 7:41:41 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: WVKayaker

Yeah look hw he turned out, gay.


47 posted on 07/07/2011 7:44:13 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: PapaBear3625

You did the right thing, PapaBear! I’ve considered doing the same with my son for history/government/and English. Dropping him off and picking him right up. I am glad to hear from the other GT parents on their giftened children and what they have done to accomodate their abilities (a whole lot of FR common sense). I don’t care what Mensa uses as their catagory of genius but believe me, 140-150 is Gifted/talented and NOT genius. (thank goodness!)


48 posted on 07/07/2011 7:44:42 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: MrB
No father in my house :) would let a 13 yr old daughter go to a college environment, even if she were living at home.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Mr. B, please give consideration to our experience.

Yes, obviously, a teen is always safest in their own home, but, think about the danger of attending a typical suburban high school. Compared to going to high school, there is far less danger at from other students, and teachers at the community college or close by university. Why?

1) A 13 year old can't drive, and there is no school bus service to the local community college. There is no sexual or physical school bus harassment. They will not be taking rides from other immature high school students who are inexperienced drivers and may be drinking or using drugs.

2) The mom or dad has to wait while they take their classes and take them home. Not only does the 13 year old know that mom or dad's presence is nearby but so does every potential predator from teachers, students, office personnel, and janitor. Even if the parent isn't there 100% of the time, they can and do show up at any time. In the common high school, it is rare to have the parents present at any time at all except for special events and parent-teacher conferences.

3) Obviously, a 13 year old will be unique on campus. This means that the responsible members of the community, which is just about everyone, will be somewhat vigilant about the safety of the 13 year old and potential predators know this. In high school they are part of the anonymous blob.

4) Students attending college are generally more responsible, disciplined, and are **older**, with more life experience than a high schooler. Just by being in college, they are generally from that group of citizens who are more disciplined. These students do indeed have more impulse control than the typical high schooler. They have likely heard about and understand the serious implications of statutory rape. The common high schooler is younger, has less impulse control, less life experience, and has far ** fewer** **adult** eyes watching him. The typical high schooler knows that mom and dad are not anywhere near by to interfere with any nefarious plan of his.

5) The average age at the community college was near 30. They are **not** interested in a 13 year old. Also...The 13 year thinks anyone over 15 is **OLD**!!

6) In their personal lives the 13 year old will be involved in typical 13 year old stuff: ballet recitals, church, birthday parties with friends, scouts, YMCA basketball...etc.

7) While we attended many wonderful university programs together as a family, we recognized that the typical experience of being independent on campus would be as graduate school students.

( Not proof read.)

49 posted on 07/07/2011 8:06:45 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime

I’m with you on a COMMUNITY colllege. We have a fine one here as well.
I just wouldn’t put a daughter on a state college campus, but that’s my choice within my own house - your house may vary.


50 posted on 07/07/2011 8:13:55 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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