Posted on 07/10/2011 7:51:25 PM PDT by chuckee
A French minister said on Sunday it was time for Libya's rebels to negotiate with Muammar Gaddafi's government, but Washington said it stood firm in its belief that the Libyan leader cannot stay in power.
The diverging messages from two leading members of the Western coalition opposing Gaddafi hinted at the strain the alliance is under after more than three months of air strikes that have cost billions of dollars and failed to produce the swift outcome its backers had expected.
French Defense Minister Gerard Longuet signaled growing impatience with the progress of the conflict when he said the rebels should negotiate now with Gaddafi's government and not wait for his defeat.
The rebels have so far refused to hold talks as long as Gaddafi is still in power, a stance which before now none of NATO's major powers has publicly challenged.
"We have .... have asked them to speak to each other," Longuet, whose government has until now been among the most hawkish on Libya, said on French television station BFM TV.
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Oh please hope that he does! The repels are raping and pillaging the women. They are anarchist We shouldn't have gone in there in the first place. As wicked as Gaddafi is, "life" under the rebels will be so much worse. Look at the chaos in Egypt.
Oh please hope that he does! The repels are raping and pillaging the women. They are anarchist We shouldn't have gone in there in the first place. As wicked as Gaddafi is, "life" under the rebels will be so much worse. Look at the chaos in Egypt.
Victory in an illegal war is to get out, we are doing more harm to ourselves than anyone else. We just showed the whole damn world the word of the president is not worth spit. Bush made piece with daffy.
I busted out laughing when I read the headline——do the French not know anything about victory or have they always liked surrendering?
“I busted out laughing when I read the headline——do the French not know anything about victory or have they always liked surrendering?”
They never recovered from the Great War, when they fought with a tenacity that is mind boggling. They have been pansies ever since that massive effort in futility and bloodletting. A lesson for the wise in that.
In short, France having secured a back room deal with Qaddafi over oil deliveries, now wants to stand down, the war they started unfinished. Why am I *not* surprised?
the infowarrior
As much as I dislike Obama, I do not hope Gaddafi wins.
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Gaddafi was giving us info on the Islamists in eastern Libya, who were recruited to kill our troops in Afghanistan.
(our own Gov report said that was the top area in the world for recruits). Guess who the rebels are...
i dislike Gaddafi, but i certainly don’t think the rebel Islamists winning, are good for us in the long run.
Maine Mariner and Psalm 144 summed it up great
(and pointed out the Muslim Brotherhood agent advising our US Sec of State!):
“Bush successfully turned Qaddafi into a U.S. asset during the recent war on terror. Qaddafi was an informant of ours in recent years, according to reports. Huma Abedin must have had a toe curling moment of sublime ecstasy when mostly U.S. forces in NATO proceeded to help the jihadists in attacking one of our own sources who was one of their turncoats, ...”
Now the war has gotten too hard for France so they are about to quit. That's the attitude of many in the west these days. That's why we need to stop getting involved in wars. We don't take them serious and too many people are ready to quit as soon as it gets “hard”. They have no problem getting a lot of people killed and then just quitting like it's nothing serious. Libya is having a civil war and neither side is on our side.
I'm just sick of the U.S. getting involved in wars that are never ending because we don't fight to win. If a war isn't important enough to win at all cost then it's not a war important enough to be involved in. All our enemies understand that if they can prolong a war there will be a good chance we will just quit, and with the way we fight wars these days it's not hard to prolong them.
We have the best trained and equipped troops in the world. We have the most advanced weapons in the world; but instead of using them to their full potential we restrict them to the point we give enemies that would have no chance or hope of victory enough to keep them going while we get our guys killed and spend huge amounts of money with no end in sight. We shouldn't have ever been involved in Libya. We can't even finish our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan because we don't fight wars to win anymore.
Those wars should have been finished while Bush was still in office. How can those wars last so long compared to the huge war that was WW2? It's because the government and the people were willing to win at all cost back then. Now we have top officials apologizing for every accidental civilian death. Civilians are going to die in wars. Sometimes a target is important enough to the war effort that you must kill civilians in the surrounding area to take it out. It's an unfortunate reality of war, and if you can't handle it then don't get us involved in a war. No matter how just the cause of war is it will still involve the killing of innocent people caught in the middle. Our enemies have us figured out and exploit our self made weaknesses. I don't want our nation involved in anymore wars unless it's important enough that we are willing to fight a total war.
“If the Eurodopes lose this 3rd rate oil theft escapade”
I just finished reading the post “Italy and Spain Need a Miracle.”
The Continent doesn’t have any money to fight this war.
Here we are on the cusp of The New World Order and it’s all falling apart...again!
I think it’s a conspiracy to dismantle the UN. At this rate no will afford the plane fair to attend the next conference.
I was so full of hope, hype and change.
Under Obama, the rules of engagment is preventing our troops from winning in Afghanistan.
yet Obama is happy to drop over 2,000 smart bombs, etc., on Libya?
...research isn’t needed. it’s simple. we know who’s side Obama is on:
“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction,”
LOL This is too funny. Too bad NATO had to kill so many Libyan bystanders to bring us another French surrender joke.
Spot on assessment.
I just hope Obama does not start supporting “democracy” movements in Yemen which will give Yemenites a choice as to which wing of Al Qaeda they want running the country. People in the Mideast do not care a whit about democracy. These are riots over escalating food costs and the lack of jobs which the media characterizes as democracy movements.If they had food on the table and a job they would abide any tyrant that runs their government.
I thought I was the only one that thought that way. If ever there was a war that we don't belong anywhere near, this is it. The U.S. doesn't "win" no matter which side wins.
Oh I fear the Moslem Brotherhood and the Islamists far
more than Kaddafi.
Zer0 will probably declare victory and run; the Euro trash will now have to deal with a totally p.o.’ed Qaddafi for their energy needs (oil that they'd hoped to steal). In so far as Sarkozy and the French go — let them eat cake.
You are HAPPY because SUBCONCIOUSLY you realize that a POTUS using American forces illegally to overthrow a LIbian government to put rebels in power that are AL QAEDA stinks beyond belief.
You may have heard Obama wants to give tanks to Egypt. WHY? Again subconciously you probably know Egypt will be run by the Muslim Brotherhood who are sworn to destroy Israel.
You probably remember Barry Hussein DEMANDED Israel return to pre-1967 borders. This, again subconciously because Americans would never think independently, means Barry Hussein wants Israel to move to allow the Muslim hordes from Iran, Egypt, Libya etc. to kill Jews.
Will the Government sensors and then the press tell you that Barry Hussein really is a Muslim after all? Probably not. To know the truth, you'll have to figure out WHY Barry Hussein is doing all these pro Muslim but anti-American things.
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