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Amazon urges California referendum on online tax - petition was filed last week
Financial Times ^

Posted on 07/11/2011 8:36:48 PM PDT by Fred

Amazon, the world’s biggest online retailer, has called for a referendum in California on the state’s controversial move to tax online shopping.

The online retailer, which is based in Washington state, said on Monday that it would support a referendum on California’s move to require Amazon and other online retailers to collect sales tax from customers in the state.

(Excerpt) Read more at ft.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; commies; corruption; govtabuse; pork; taxes; teaparty

1 posted on 07/11/2011 8:36:59 PM PDT by Fred
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To: Fred
I'd say a referendum on the whole group of losers sitting in Sacramento would be a much better idea, but we'd just get an even worse crop brought in. (Ahh, the wonders of term limits..)

Though if Amazon really wants my support, how about a second referendum eliminating all benefits - health, retirement, unemployment, etc, for any elected or appointed official in the state of California?

Ahh well, didn't think that’d work.

2 posted on 07/11/2011 8:43:33 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Fred

Voter referendums count for nothing until the black robed emperors speak to their subjects.


3 posted on 07/11/2011 8:43:43 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Fred

At least Amazon is giving Cal. an option and a chance.


4 posted on 07/11/2011 8:44:28 PM PDT by doc1019 (You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.)
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To: Fred

Amazon pulled out of any physical presence in California when the gummit overstepped, costing thousands of jobs.

Amazon has the clout to use every legal trick in the book to make sure its clients don’t get screwed.

I wish the US Congress had such moxie.


5 posted on 07/11/2011 8:48:36 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Fred

Have any of the laws we put into place through the referendum process ever stuck?


6 posted on 07/11/2011 9:11:06 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Obama is investigating taxation without representation.)
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To: Fred

All business will flee Commiefornia and then we will need to secure two borders from ruthless thieves and murderers.


7 posted on 07/11/2011 9:24:53 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Osama and Obama both have friends that bombed the Pentagon.)
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To: NoLibZone

>> Have any of the laws we put into place through the referendum process ever stuck?

Prop 13.

Although I understand it’s under assault, just like most of the other worthwhile propositions that haven’t been overturned outright by the Benchtop Legislators.


8 posted on 07/11/2011 9:47:35 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Fred

I heard about this a week or so ago - something like 25,000 “affiliates” [independent web sites with Amazon click-thrus] have been dropped by Amazon [alone] in order to remove its “presence” in CA.

If Amazon doesn’t have a physical “presence” in CA, then no sales tax needs to be paid ...

Trouble is that these independent web sites depend on the revenue-sharing that they get from Amazon to pay salaries, business expenses, etc.

Several independent web site operators were interviewed and stated that they were likely to move out-of-state so that they could reclaim their “affiliate” status.

This would mean loss of jobs in CA [and consequently loss of state income tax paid].

Barring not leaving the state - the web site operators stated that they would have to downsize their workforces [which would have the same negative effect].

When one stacks up the amount of state income tax paid vs. the amount of state sales tax that would be generated - the sales tax revenue loses by a mile ...

And this is JUST for Amazon - NOW [additionally] factor in Walmart, Target, K-Mart, Sears AND anybody else who has “affiliate” programs ...

THi is HUGH !!!


9 posted on 07/11/2011 9:56:27 PM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Fred

I live in CA, and while I absolutely disagree with the move to collect sales tax from Amazon ... I am sick to DEATH of referendums on everything.

Goofy State.


10 posted on 07/11/2011 10:00:01 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: NoLibZone
Have any of the laws we put into place through the referendum process ever stuck?

1911: Voters ratified amendments establishing the Initiative, referendum, and recall process.

For better or worse, it stuck.

11 posted on 07/11/2011 10:22:46 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Sapere Aude!" --Immanuel Kant)
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To: NoLibZone
Have any of the laws we put into place through the referendum process ever stuck?

Yes. Proposition 13 of 1978. It is still in effect and has saved California's taxpayers many billions of dollars.

12 posted on 07/11/2011 11:14:25 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: NoLibZone

It is about the only way left to hogtie legislators. They never stop spending.

Prop. 13 language is written directly into the California State Constitution, fat chance this could be undone, already has been challenged.


13 posted on 07/11/2011 11:33:39 PM PDT by Razzz42
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To: Razzz42

But wasn’t prop. 8 a CA constitutional amendment? If so, how did the Judges deem the constitution unconstitutional?


14 posted on 07/11/2011 11:52:19 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: boop
Prop. 8 amended Constitutional language from Prop. 13 esp. allowing re-assessment based on declining property values. Was no challenge to that one. It is tough to change a Constitution beside there are many benefits to pre/post property owners with Prop. 13 & 8 approval.
15 posted on 07/12/2011 1:43:13 AM PDT by Razzz42
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