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State programmer identifies template for Obama 'forgery'
WND ^ | July 12, 2011 | Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 07/12/2011 9:39:04 PM PDT by opentalk

High-level engineer demonstrates how Nordyke birth certificates used.

A prominent software engineer claims the Obama birth certificate released by the White House was forged by using as templates the birth certificates of twins born in Hawaii one day after the president.

The engineer, a high-level programmer for a state government, spoke on condition of anonymity...

.... He believes forgers used the registration numbers of the birth certificates belonging to Gretchen and Susan Nordyke, 10637 and 10638, to create the Obama birth certificate number, 10641.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: 10641; birthcertificate; birther; birthers; certifigate; dnc; eligibility; enemywithin; forgery; fraud; hawaii; hoaxhucksterbrother; hopespringseternal; howarddean; identityfraud; lucyhazfootball; naturalborncitizen; nordyketwins; nwo; obama; palin; pelosi; sorosmafia; sorospuppet; thistimeforsure; usurper; worldnutdaily
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To: DiogenesLamp; Elendur

1962 is a key year, and it would be helpful at least to curiosity if not forensics to get a time line of the documents, date signed, signature used, dependents claimed, and birthdates(s) claimed.


151 posted on 07/13/2011 12:11:05 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Vickery2010
Birthers think the Obama administration, the Hawaii government (under Democratic AND Republican administrations), the Kenyan government, the Republican Party, federal and state judges, conservative think tanks, conservative pundits, all the fact-checking websites, all the news channels, and all the Constitutional law professors in the country are in on it.

Right. And if it wasn't for Drudge, we'd still be waiting for Newsweek to tell us all about Monica, and Weiner would still be in Congress, and Schiller would still be at NPR, and Van Jones would still be in the WH. Sound familiar?

152 posted on 07/13/2011 12:35:14 PM PDT by ILS21R ("Every night before I go to sleep, I think who would throw stones at me?", she said.)
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To: PA-RIVER

exactly - some boxes on the WH LFCOLB are identical, right down to the pixel.


153 posted on 07/13/2011 12:36:22 PM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Kleon
Yeah, that tends to happen with rubber stamps.

I think this is my favorite WND argument yet. Obama's birth certificate looks so much like two other birth certificates from the same place and time THAT THE FORGERY MUST HAVE BEEN BASED ON THOSE OTHER TWO CERTIFICATES. There's no other explanation!

154 posted on 07/13/2011 12:36:35 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
I think this is my favorite WND argument yet. Obama's birth certificate looks so much like two other birth certificates from the same place and time THAT THE FORGERY MUST HAVE BEEN BASED ON THOSE OTHER TWO CERTIFICATES. There's no other explanation!

Actually, it doesn't look anything like those other certificates which happen to be original documents and not a fabricated .pdf. Where is obama's original BC?

155 posted on 07/13/2011 12:47:16 PM PDT by ILS21R ("Every night before I go to sleep, I think who would throw stones at me?", she said.)
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To: jh4freedom
Republicans flat out do not won't to touch this issue. However, there may come a point they have no choice. Boehner was asked that question...what else would you expect him to say on national tv?

Boehner knows zero doesn't meet Article II eligibility of the constitution. We also know the dem controlled senate would never convict him....it'd never get that far.

Zero would be Nixonized long before that. Can you even imagine the dirt that'd come out on Zero if there was an impeachment hearing? Zero would go into such a meltdown they'd not be enough drug cocktails to prevent that...so Biden would have to ask the 25th be invoked.

156 posted on 07/13/2011 1:14:00 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 "Woe unto those who say they are Judah and are not, but are of the synaGOGue of Satan.")
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To: PA-RIVER
Dear Vick,

Patiently waiting for your reply...

So look at:
Entry field 3 “Twin” Box and Entry field 7g “Yes” box.
Twin Box needed to be replaced with empty check box)

Then look at:
Entry field 4, “1st” and “2nd” box.
Birth order needed to be filled with empty box)

Much appreciated.

157 posted on 07/13/2011 2:11:04 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: DiogenesLamp
Hawaiian bureaucrats fabricated that document, that's why they aren't calling foul on it.

Do you also believe they used the Nordyke certificate as a template?

158 posted on 07/13/2011 2:12:56 PM PDT by Kleon
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To: DiogenesLamp
It certainly appears that Barack Sr. is regarded as the father at that time, but I am not ruling out the possibility that Barack Sr. was just a "beard" to cover up the fact that Frank Davis was having sex with his best friend's Daughter.

So, you theorize the true original BC had FMD (who was married to Helen Canfield at the time) as the father? And that they persuaded BHO, Sr. to marry Stanley Ann in preparation for for the upcoming bastard birth, which they then legitimized by having BHO, Sr. adopt little Barry, after which the original BC was replaced by the one now in the Department of Health's files? Nice simple explanation, right? Which, BTW, also makes him eligible beyond any doubt whatsoever. LOL!

On the other hand, even if FMD was the father (or maybe Anarchist Annie just wasn't really sure), wouldn't it have been much simpler just to tell BHO he was the father and please sign here? That way, no silly adoption procedures and no need to fabricate any birth certificates, legally or otherwise.

159 posted on 07/13/2011 2:25:47 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: mylife

The only issue anybody has been able to get the media to look at is lewd weiner pics. Using your standard, then, the only thing we conservatives should be working on is finding lewd weiner pics of Obama. That would be just the thing, everything we need.

I am really, really sick of establishment folks poo-poohing the rule of law as if it is a mere triviality. We all know the rule of law is critical; we all know that Obama and his thugs are totally ignoring the rule of law - on gunwalker, eligibility, and everything else. The problem is that once we’ve conceded the rule of law as trivial all that’s left is to ooh and ah over lewd weiner pics.

And that’s where we are. Thanks a lot, establishment people who poo-poohed the rule of law. This is your bed; now we’re all stuck lying in it.


160 posted on 07/13/2011 2:35:10 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Vickery2010
Vick , I'll check with you again, later. I guess You must be looking at the check boxes? Also, Let me know what software you are using to “Overlay” or “Opaque” adjustment's to see these differences in the boxes.

Don't include the back ground in the boxes, as that is a different computer layer to our presidents BC copy.

Thanks again, eagerly looking forward to the technical explanation and graphic... help this old man out!

161 posted on 07/13/2011 2:44:22 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: Kleon
Do you also believe they used the Nordyke certificate as a template?

I have no idea. I don't even know how they made mine. Six years after the fact, and it has my birth doctor's signature on it. Did they get him to sign it 6 years later, or did they just copy his signature from another document?

162 posted on 07/13/2011 2:45:22 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Obama hides behind the Grass Skirts of Hawaiian Bureaucrats.)
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To: opentalk

>> a high-level programmer

Low-level programmers are way cooler.


163 posted on 07/13/2011 2:46:15 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: PA-RIVER
"Dear Vick,

Patiently waiting for your reply..."

Holy crap! Has it really been over TWO HOURS since you asked me to do some graphic work for you? I apologize for not dropping everything I was doing so I could get to work doing the factchecking you obviously haven't bothered to do at any point to date, considering that you just pointed me to a tiny graphic on somebody else's website. Your patience obviously knows no bounds to put up with a whole two hours of waiting.

Anyhow, here's the comparison of the "1st" and "2nd" boxes.

Incredibly similar? Yes. And not surprising considering that they represent identical pre-printed boxes on the same form. But they're not pixel-for-pixel identical. Which is exactly what you claimed they were.

Maybe you think somebody cut-and-pasted the box but then fudged with a bunch of individual pixels around the edge to brighten or darken the black, and then completely changed the interior of the box?

Also, you should watch the video I posted above. There are some other people who found some 'identical' looking details in images that they deem quite suspicious and evidence of fraud. You clearly have a lot in common.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDdzNSXDaRI

164 posted on 07/13/2011 2:48:52 PM PDT by Vickery2010
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To: DiogenesLamp

The analysis of the BC proves it is a fraud, just as the document that was uncovered when Bush was running for president. I have a friend of 40 years in HA. Bo was also a drug dealer in high school and all of his papers from Indonesia were gathered prior to his election in order to conceal “sensitive” info from the public. This same friend knows the diplomat that was ordered to complete this task and was provided this information by direct contact. Bo is a fraud and lots of people know it.


165 posted on 07/13/2011 2:56:55 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: cynwoody
So, you theorize the true original BC had FMD (who was married to Helen Canfield at the time) as the father?

No. I don't know what was on the original birth certificate, but I very much doubt it would have FMD listed. If the theory of Barack Sr. as a "beard" is correct, it would defeat the whole purpose if FMD were identified as the father. FMD and Grandfather Stanley were good friends. FMD also had a wife and I believe 4 other children. I would guess it probably said Barack Obama from the very beginning, or perhaps "father unknown."

And that they persuaded BHO, Sr. to marry Stanley Ann in preparation for for the upcoming bastard birth, which they then legitimized by having BHO, Sr. adopt little Barry, after which the original BC was replaced by the one now in the Department of Health's files? Nice simple explanation, right? Which, BTW, also makes him eligible beyond any doubt whatsoever. LOL!

That's what *I* thought at first! The lawyer types tell me that according to American Law, it doesn't matter who your REAL father is, it only Matters who your LEGAL father is. I'm not sure that would apply to issues of the Presidency, and I would think that if FMD really is Barry's father, then that would make him unequivocally a "Natural Born Citizen." I think the legal system needs to get with the times. Now we can tell who the real father is.

On the other hand, even if FMD was the father (or maybe Anarchist Annie just wasn't really sure), wouldn't it have been much simpler just to tell BHO he was the father and please sign here? That way, no silly adoption procedures and no need to fabricate any birth certificates, legally or otherwise.

That very well may be what happened. I am all for finding information that will eliminate one or more possible theories, but don't overlook the possibility that Lolo Soetoro Adopted Barry, and THAT may be why his original record is sealed. Also it may be possible that the Grandparents Adopted Barry in 1970 (when his mother left him in Hawaii.) and that at some subsequent date he petitioned the court to change his name back to "Barack Obama."

I happen to personally know of a case where a Grandmother adopted two of her Grandsons because her Granddaughter was completely irresponsible and would not take care of them properly. Both children got new last names and new birth certificates. It was a pretty simple process. The mother signed over custody, and the Judge granted it.

166 posted on 07/13/2011 3:03:30 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Obama hides behind the Grass Skirts of Hawaiian Bureaucrats.)
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To: Gene Eric
Low-level programmers are way cooler.

I started programing in hexadecimal machine code, and eventually started using assembly. In the last ten years I have been programing in "C++".

I think the only thing lower than machine code is binary instruction sets, and i've done a bit of that as well. (8080A) :)

167 posted on 07/13/2011 3:09:23 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Obama hides behind the Grass Skirts of Hawaiian Bureaucrats.)
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To: Neoliberalnot
The analysis of the BC proves it is a fraud, just as the document that was uncovered when Bush was running for president. I have a friend of 40 years in HA. Bo was also a drug dealer in high school and all of his papers from Indonesia were gathered prior to his election in order to conceal “sensitive” info from the public. This same friend knows the diplomat that was ordered to complete this task and was provided this information by direct contact. Bo is a fraud and lots of people know it.

Oh, he's a fraud all right. I would like to know just what kind of fraud he is, and get the evidence to show everyone else. I don't doubt that minions have been sent everywhere to round up as much dirty laundry as they could.

168 posted on 07/13/2011 3:15:33 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Obama hides behind the Grass Skirts of Hawaiian Bureaucrats.)
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To: opentalk
So you are the most powerful person in the world and have all available resources at your disposal and you have to rely on the one template that is now pretty much in the public domain, accessible to everyone with an Internet connection, and the only person you can bet to do your dirty work is an obvious, bush league, second-rate forger?

Wouldn't you go to some other birth certificate, unknown to the public to form your template? In this case as in so much else what people are coming up against is the limit of their own knowledge: we have all seen the Nordyke birth certificate, so it just has to be the basis for the forgery, because we've all heard about it.

Not so long ago, people were saying that Obama's sister's birth certificate was the basis for a forged short form, computerized birth certificate, even though Obama's sister wasn't born in Hawaii. At some point, logic falls away and we turn to what we think we already know, even if it doesn't fit the theories.

Face it: if there is forgery and fraud involved it's got to be done on a very high level and you or I or some "expert" from nowhere wouldn't be the ones to detect it, and if there is "template" for the forgery, it will be something you've never seen.

I wouldn't put it past whoever produced the graphic to stick little curiosities into a fake birth certificate just to rile up the "birthers" -- or indeed to stick little inaccuracies and anomalies into the graphic of an actual legitimate birth certificate, just to make Corsi and WND think they're on to something.

169 posted on 07/13/2011 3:28:00 PM PDT by x
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To: Blado
WHY WOULD OBAMA PUT OUT SUCH AN AMATEUR FORGERY?

For mylife, I couldn't guess! 'Cause he knew that the issue wouldn't catch traction with the MSM?

170 posted on 07/13/2011 3:37:47 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Vickery2010; a fool in paradise; JoeProBono

What if I tell you that I know somebody, now comfortably retired in the tropics, somebody blood related, who worked on the filming of the moon landing in Burbank, California, the same historical studio where Chaplin, Mary Pickford, Edna Purviance (born Olga Edna Purviance), Ben Turpin and Fatty Arbuckle to name just a few, worked, and thanks to that job was able to retire early, buy a house next to Mick Jagger’s house in the Bahamas?


171 posted on 07/13/2011 3:48:06 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: ILS21R
Actually, it doesn't look anything like those other certificates

So does it not look anything like those other certificates, or did it use those other certificates as templates? I don't see how you can have it both ways.

which happen to be original documents

The WND article says, "Exhibits 3 and 4 show Gretchen Carter Nordyke's birth certificate number in a positive developed from the original Hawaii DOH-issued photostatic copy." So no, they're not original documents--they're copies of copies.

Where is obama's original BC?

In a binder in some Hawaii DOH office.

172 posted on 07/13/2011 3:50:36 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: x
I think it has more to do with the number and being consistent with his other versions. The process of assigning numbers and time of birth. That is why the twins matter. The first COLB was put up on the Internet and amateur in nature.

This seems to be the only way Obama is going to get vetted. The more digging the better.

173 posted on 07/13/2011 4:42:36 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: Vickery2010

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

That you honestly are trying to say that people with intelligence take that seriously is what is amazing!


174 posted on 07/13/2011 4:49:07 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Ron Paul is to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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To: mylife
"I aint interested in this folly."

So -- STFU about it, do your own thing, and let those who appreciate its importance do theirs.

Who elected you to be FR's dictator?


175 posted on 07/13/2011 5:50:57 PM PDT by TXnMA (There is no Constitutional right to NOT be offended.)
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To: PA-RIVER
I can't for the life of me explain how the check boxes could end up with identical pixel configuration. To me, it's impossible unless they were copied and pasted....
If someone could tell me how this could happen naturally, please do so. I would love to hear it.

Coincidentally, the graphics expert cited in WND's last story on the subject -- thread here -- has a new article up today in which she writes:

Pixel-by-Pixel Twins: During the process of scanning, translation and optimization, the software searches for ways to create a document with the best possible appearance with the least required resources. One method of reducing effort is to duplicate similar characters from the first character identified, rather than re-forming each subsequent character from scratch. This results in a document, such as this one, with bits that are identical on a pixel-by-pixel basis.
I don't know if this is true myself -- and someone else here has already demonstrated that they're not perfect pixel twins -- but I thought it was worth bringing up.
176 posted on 07/13/2011 5:55:26 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: mylife

Only WND and a hand full of others are leading the charge on this.

So go get to business, nobody is stopping you but yourself.


177 posted on 07/13/2011 6:44:55 PM PDT by CommieCutter (Promote Liberal Extinction: Support gay marriage and abortion!)
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To: PA-RIVER
The check boxes are the tell, Pa. After reviewing dozens of theories, I had to do it for myself. I scanned my Certificate of Life Birth. The document I have was created in 1983 and it is a "true copy of the document filed in this office, if validated on the reverse," (which it is) from the year I was born, 1957 in California. The check boxes are all slightly different.

My record is not compiled from the original, it is a copy of the original document, and it's easy to tell that by the scratches and artifacts on the record--something missing from Obama's that seems suspicious. Why is his copy so clean looking? My file number is completely uniform and begins with 57-. His, with the duplicate ending 1 cannot be genuine.

A few people have mentioned the kerning problem with Obama's document, which, I agree, is not typical with a typewriter. However, on my document, some pairs of letters do not have uniform spacing, for example, the "rn" in California are running into each other. I don't believe the appearance of kerning is evidence of a forgery.

The left alignment of typed words on my COLB is not uniform running down the document. These are all over the map and don't even appear to be caused by using a tab key.

An uppercase "A" in my mother's first name was struck out (leaving a little shadow) and then retyped, leaving it slightly higher than the following letters. The capital "A" in my father's middle name is normal.

All instances of a lower case "l" are faded at the top. That could be from the ribbon, the finger pressure applied or from dirt on the key.

After scanning both to PDF and TIF, there are no layers. The PDF has no OCR Suspects as it is renderable text.

Running "examine document" on the PDF, this is the result. So there are some parts of the document that render as "hidden" and that seems like a layer, but it isn't. What is also strange is that the file number is perfect on the document, but in this image there is something between the 5 and the 6 that you cannot see otherwise. My point is that scanning to PDF does cause things to appear and disappear. But the identical check boxes alone are enough to convince me that the WH released document is a forgery!


178 posted on 07/13/2011 6:46:28 PM PDT by Rona_Badger (Heeds the Calling Wind)
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To: opentalk

The wise ones who tell the rest of us that the issue has no traction, may be right, but they’d hate to admit the reasons. An issue gains traction only and ONLY if the despised MSM picks it up. In other words, the “wise ones” (now in quotes) are still looking to the MSM to tell them, to spoon feed them what’s important and what isn’t.

This is the tragedy of the day, the power of the MSM to decide and to influence the masses.


179 posted on 07/13/2011 6:51:00 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
Pixel-by-Pixel Twins: During the process of scanning, translation and optimization, the software searches for ways to create a document with the best possible appearance with the least required resources. One method of reducing effort is to duplicate similar characters from the first character identified, rather than re-forming each subsequent character from scratch. This results in a document, such as this one, with bits that are identical on a pixel-by-pixel basis.

If we knew the scanner and software used, we could say exactly what's going on, but in general this is true. It's a far more believable explanation than forgery. As I've said before, if you look at the frequency and distribution of cloned letters, it doesn't make sense in the context of forgery.

180 posted on 07/13/2011 7:00:43 PM PDT by Kleon
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
Where is obama's original BC?

Where is obama's original BC?

In a binder in some Hawaii DOH office.

******

REGISTRAR ONAKA: Why won't Onaka and President Obama let reporters look at the original long form since President Obama has already VOLUNTARILY showed the world a copy of his long form birth certificate to great fanfare at a White House press conference on April 27, 2011?

That is, why is Registrar Onaka claiming that he cannot allow reporters to see the original long form birth certificate because of Hawaii privacy laws, when President Obama has already VOLUNTARILY released his long form birth certificate to the public on April 27, 2011?

I thought that President Obama gave up his right to privacy when it came to his long form birth certificate when he VOLUNTARILY released his long form birth certificate to the public on April 27, 2011.

It looks to me that Registrar Onaka is trying to conceal something by hiding behind Hawaii's privacy laws as he refuses to let reporters examine the original of a document that the President of the United States has already VOLUNTARILY released to the public.

181 posted on 07/13/2011 7:03:52 PM PDT by john mirse
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To: Vickery2010
Dear Vick, I understand you are adjusting the layer with the boxes in Photo shop or some other tool, with the underlying layer of the security paper that was not a part of the original scan. They introduced that green “security” paper into the document.

As you adjust the first layer to be more translucent, the bottom layer that is the security pattern mated to the PDF document will then distort the upper layer , randomly.

This is not evidence of uniqueness. It is evidence of distortion by your computer, melding two unique and distinct layers, one created in 1961, and the other added to it 50 years later, and providing you with a brand new view of the composite.

You can't modify the document to prove the boxes are unique. That is creating distortions between layers.

I appreciate your joke, very funny. Years after the moon landing I met a few of the engineers that worked at NASA. At the time I was working with a group that was developing GPS for the United states army. Cool stuff.

Trust me , we landed on the moon. And the two boxes are Identical without your computer driven distortions.

182 posted on 07/13/2011 7:11:10 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: DiogenesLamp

“Proof that the legal system is silly and that it should be viewed with derision.”

Actually, it’s more like proof that none of the top notch conservative constitutional law firms or legal think tanks/foundations has represented plaintiffs in any natural born citizen/eligibility lawsuits.

The folks who are well known for representing conservative positions before the Supreme Court on pro-life issues, countering the homosexual agenda, affirmative action, property rights, gun rights, and defense of individual liberty have not been seen or heard from as advocates on this issue.

Where are Judge Bork, Theodore Olson, The American Center for Law and Justice, the Federalist Society for Law and Public Policy Studies, the Landmark Legal Foundation, The Center for Individual Rights, Judicial Watch, the Alliance Defense Fund, The Institute for Justice, or any of the conservative state Attorneys General like Virginia’s Ken Cuccinelli, et cetera?


183 posted on 07/13/2011 7:19:16 PM PDT by jh4freedom (Mr. "O" has got to go.)
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To: shield

“Republicans flat out do not won’t to touch this issue. However, there may come a point they have no choice. Boehner was asked that question...what else would you expect him to say on national tv?
Boehner knows zero doesn’t meet Article II eligibility of the constitution. We also know the dem controlled senate would never convict him....it’d never get that far.

Zero would be Nixonized long before that. Can you even imagine the dirt that’d come out on Zero if there was an impeachment hearing? Zero would go into such a meltdown they’d not be enough drug cocktails to prevent that...so Biden would have to ask the 25th be invoked.”

I haven’t heard one member of Congress even hint at impeachment hearings, so I’ll believe it when I see it.


184 posted on 07/13/2011 7:25:05 PM PDT by jh4freedom (Mr. "O" has got to go.)
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To: jh4freedom

The public isn’t privy to what is being said behind closed doors....


185 posted on 07/13/2011 7:34:44 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 "Woe unto those who say they are Judah and are not, but are of the synaGOGue of Satan.")
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To: Vickery2010
Dear Vick, take a break and think about my analysis, do a little more work, and we'll talk tomorrow.

You have to remember, when dealing with Obama, your basically dealing with a common criminal with a gift for acting confident. They do this kind of stuff. They are called Con men. For example, his book, Audacity of Hope was written by Bill Ayers. Yet he tells everyone he himself is a gifted author who wrote it. We all know its a fabrication.

It takes four people to pull this off. Obama, Governor Abercromby, and one or two people in the Hawaii Health department. Putting people on the moon required thousands of highly educated people.

So take another look, and strip out the security layer. Just get the single layer, and lets have another look see.

Thanks,
PA

186 posted on 07/13/2011 7:47:14 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: Revolting cat!
What if I tell you that I know somebody, now comfortably retired in the tropics, somebody blood related, who worked on the filming of the moon landing in Burbank, California, the same historical studio where Chaplin, Mary Pickford, Edna Purviance (born Olga Edna Purviance), Ben Turpin and Fatty Arbuckle to name just a few, worked, and thanks to that job was able to retire early, buy a house next to Mick Jagger’s house in the Bahamas?

******

Just wondering: Did your friend work on ALL the moon landings?

As you know, there was more than one moon landing, and several of them I found spectacular as I saw land rovers skipping over the moon landscape.

APOLLO 13, a terrible accident turned into a great, riveting movie starring Tom Hanks: How do the moon-landing-is-a-fake people explain the APOLLO 13 terrible accident---an explosion put a large hole in the side of the main ship---where the APOLLO 13 crew had to travel AROUND THE MOON and try to return home by using the moon lander that was supposed to land on the moon?

1. APOLLO 13, the moon landing that never was, should put to rest any idea that ALL the moon landings were some Hollywood staged extravaganza, that is, that they were clever Hollywood fakes.

2. Are you telling us that the terrible APOLLO 13 accident---where a hole was blown out the side of the ship---was a clever fake? How absurd.

3. APOLLO 13 traveled around the moon before going home to earth: To me, if NASA had the technology to send APOLLO 13 around the moon, then it seems to me that NASA also had the technology to go that extra step to send a small ship from the main ship circling the moon onto the moon itself.

4. So, until moon landing conspirators can explain how the APOLLO 13 terrible accident---where the lives of 3 men hung dangerously in the balance--was also a staged, fake Hollywood clever special effects production, then I say that it is ABSURD---bordering on LUNACY---to claim that ANY of the moon landings was a fake.

187 posted on 07/13/2011 8:07:26 PM PDT by john mirse
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To: john mirse

I don’t want to hijack the thread, but I know what I know, and my cousin (not “my friend”, as you state) did what he did, and I have no reasons to doubt his story. You can win if that’s how you get your rocks off, I’m not part of any crazy conspiracy to claim that aliens had landed in Nevada, but I do enjoy trips to my cousin’s digs in the Bahamas every couple of years and meeting his celebrity neighbors. Some things, I am pretty sure of it, happen in ways different than the government reports and the media dutifully parrots.


188 posted on 07/13/2011 8:24:50 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: shield

“The public isn’t privy to what is being said behind closed doors....”

That’s true. Well, time will tell.


189 posted on 07/13/2011 8:56:08 PM PDT by jh4freedom (Mr. "O" has got to go.)
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To: john mirse

REGISTRAR ONAKA: Why won’t Onaka and President Obama let reporters look at the original long form since President Obama has already VOLUNTARILY showed the world a copy of his long form birth certificate to great fanfare at a White House press conference on April 27, 2011?

That is, why is Registrar Onaka claiming that he cannot allow reporters to see the original long form birth certificate because of Hawaii privacy laws, when President Obama has already VOLUNTARILY released his long form birth certificate to the public on April 27, 2011?

I thought that President Obama gave up his right to privacy when it came to his long form birth certificate when he VOLUNTARILY released his long form birth certificate to the public on April 27, 2011.

It looks to me that Registrar Onaka is trying to conceal something by hiding behind Hawaii’s privacy laws as he refuses to let reporters examine the original of a document that the President of the United States has already VOLUNTARILY released to the public.

Any person has the ability to relinquish THEIR OWN right to privacy. That does not alter the state’s obligation to maintain the privacy of its records.
For example, YOU may give out any information that you wish regarding your Social Security number, that does not give anyone else the right to obtain your number without your permission.

No reporter has requested to see President Obama’s original birth documents. If they did, what they need to do is obtain a court order from a judge and they can gain access under Hawaii Revised Statutes 338-18 (b) which states that “b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:
A person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction;”

In short: get a judge to issue a court order, get to see the original birth certificate in the files at the Hawaii Department of Health.

The Registrar of Vital Statistics is following the law of his state which has been on the books for 20 years.
It should not be difficult for any serious news organization to get a judge to issue a court order.


190 posted on 07/13/2011 9:20:40 PM PDT by jh4freedom (Mr. "O" has got to go.)
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To: Revolting cat!
I don’t want to hijack the thread, but I know what I know, and my cousin (not “my friend”, as you state) did what he did, and I have no reasons to doubt his story. You can win if that’s how you get your rocks off, I’m not part of any crazy conspiracy to claim that aliens had landed in Nevada, but I do enjoy trips to my cousin’s digs in the Bahamas every couple of years and meeting his celebrity neighbors. Some things, I am pretty sure of it, happen in ways different than the government reports and the media dutifully parrots.

******

Again, did your cousin say that he knows for a fact that ALL the moon landings were staged in a secret Hollywood studio somewhere?

Are you saying that there was so much pressure on NASA in the late 1960s to fulfill the late President Kennedy's dream to put a man on the moon as soon as possible that NASA went to the extraordinary trouble to stage the first moon landing in a secret Hollywood studio?

Let's assume for the moment that the FIRST moon landing with Armstrong----I guess that your cousin is calling Armstrong a liar when Armstrong says that he landed on the moon---was a fake. Then what about moon landings #2, #3, and so forth? Where they staged too, because if only one of those landings was real, that is all we need to prove that NASA had the technology to put a man on the moon.

NOTE: If you believe such a story, then I have a genuine Obama long form birth certificate to sell you, autographed by Obama senior himself.

APPOLLO 13 accident: If you believe your cousin and you also believe that the APOLLO 13 terrible accident was a fake---where the lives of 3 men were in dangerous trouble as they traveled around the moon in a desperate attempt to get back to earth---then I think that your cousin is having fun with you, because your cousin is completely not believable when he calls the first man on the moon Armstrong a liar.

191 posted on 07/13/2011 9:23:28 PM PDT by john mirse
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To: john mirse
I thought that President Obama gave up his right to privacy when it came to his long form birth certificate when he VOLUNTARILY released his long form birth certificate to the public on April 27, 2011.

I don't think so. I can tell you what my last set of blood tests revealed; I can post them here and on a website for all the world to see. That still doesn't mean you can get them from the doctor yourself--he's still bound by the privacy laws.

192 posted on 07/13/2011 9:53:44 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
Where is obama's original BC?

In a binder in some Hawaii DOH office.

Well then, what is the problem with getting a DOH-issued photostatic copy?

193 posted on 07/13/2011 9:55:12 PM PDT by ILS21R ("Every night before I go to sleep, I think who would throw stones at me?", she said.)
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To: jh4freedom
Any person has the ability to relinquish THEIR OWN right to privacy. That does not alter the state’s obligation to maintain the privacy of its records. For example, YOU may give out any information that you wish regarding your Social Security number, that does not give anyone else the right to obtain your number without your permission.

*****

President Obama: So why won't President Obama give reporters permission to examine his original long form birth certificate in Hawaii, a copy of which President Obama has already shown to the world at a White House press conference to great fanfare on April 27, 2011?

It looks to me like President Obama is trying to hide something.

KAPIOLANI HOSPITAL: And while we are at, why won't President Obama give reporters permission to examine his hospital records from his birthdate of Aug. 4, 1961 records that will probably contain routine information that we already have seen on President Obama's long form birth certificate?

Again, it looks to me that President Obama is trying to hide something in his hospital records by playing hardball when it comes to the release of his Aug. 4, 1961 hospital records.

Could President Obama be hiding the fact there are no Kapiolani records for him for his birthdate of Aug.4, 1961?

194 posted on 07/13/2011 9:56:06 PM PDT by john mirse
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To: john mirse
Could President Obama be hiding the fact there are no Kapiolani records for him for his birthdate of Aug.4, 1961?

It doesn't take much digging to find that obama was born in two separate Hawaiian hospitals and delivered by separate doctors on the same day. Which really means that obama wasn't born in Hawaii and his birth certificate is a complete fabrication.

195 posted on 07/13/2011 10:08:06 PM PDT by ILS21R ("Every night before I go to sleep, I think who would throw stones at me?", she said.)
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To: Revolting cat!
What if I tell you that I know somebody, now comfortably retired in the tropics, somebody blood related, who worked on the filming of the moon landing in Burbank, California, the same historical studio where Chaplin, Mary Pickford, Edna Purviance (born Olga Edna Purviance), Ben Turpin and Fatty Arbuckle to name just a few, worked, and thanks to that job was able to retire early, buy a house next to Mick Jagger’s house in the Bahamas?

What if I tell you that the MythBusters proved that it was impossible to fake the moon landing.

196 posted on 07/13/2011 10:31:53 PM PDT by ILS21R ("Every night before I go to sleep, I think who would throw stones at me?", she said.)
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To: ILS21R
Well then, what is the problem with getting a DOH-issued photostatic copy?

You already supposedly have a DOH-issued scan. What makes a photostatic copy better than a scan? Besides, if they did issue one, birthers would just claim it had the same kind of problems the LFBC does. Have you noticed that the Nordyke twin's BC has the same kind of "kerning" Obama's form allegedly does? And that the 'H' in 'Honolulu' is on the same baseline as the rest of the letters in two cases, but floats above the baseline in a third? Do you really think the birthers would accept those kinds of anomalies in a photostat from Obama?

I don't think they'd be satisfied even if the Hawaii DOH ripped the page out of the binder and passed it around to all 300 million of us.

197 posted on 07/13/2011 11:38:52 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
thought that President Obama gave up his right to privacy when it came to his long form birth certificate when he VOLUNTARILY released his long form birth certificate to the public on April 27, 2011.

I don't think so. I can tell you what my last set of blood tests revealed; I can post them here and on a website for all the world to see. That still doesn't mean you can get them from the doctor yourself--he's still bound by the privacy laws.

*****

1. We are NOT talking about medical records here. We are talking about examining an original birth certificate, a document which is not covered by federal strict medical privacy laws but by the state of Hawaii privacy laws.

2. Are you telling me that if you gave your doctor WRITTEN permission to allow me to see your blood tests, he can't legally do so because he is still somehow prohibited from showing them to me under strict federal government medical laws?

3. PRESIDENT OBAMA: Are you telling me that if President Obama gave Hawaii officials WRITTEN permission to allow reporters to examine his original long form birth certificate, Hawaii officials could still deny reporters access to President Obama's ORIGINAL long form birth certificate because of Hawaii government privacy laws?

198 posted on 07/14/2011 1:48:33 AM PDT by john mirse
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To: opentalk
The Chosen One (Who is Obama Really?) -Must Read
reference link to current thread about Obama's background
199 posted on 07/14/2011 4:22:08 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
They are pixel-twins. He is mating the 2011 security layer to the 1961 boxes by adjusting the opacity of that layer. He claimed he needed to adjust opacity to see the differences. He's mixing Apples and Oranges.
200 posted on 07/14/2011 5:05:56 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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