Posted on 07/16/2011 1:46:31 AM PDT by Kevmo
And as I said, I hope I'm wrong. They apparently have the process protected as some sort of trade secret. And have plans to mass produce the process.
There were also questions from other scientists on the video, and Rossi was unable to satisfy them. Not as inductive reasoners as I, I suspect.
But your comparison to a magician may also be closer to the truth than you suspect also.
Yup. There are lots of reports from the scientists who attended the various demonstrations. Most of those have data. And for the scientifically trained, you can garner a lot from some of the videos on points not mentioned in the writeups, but which "match" what the writeups are saying.
The "anti-CF" bunch are trying to sell the idea that those tests were all either bogus or so badly done as not to prove anyting.
And the people doing those tests and observations are NOT "scientific lightweights". But I beg to differ on that point. If it is NOT outright fraud, and a masterpiece of fakery on a level with Piltdown Man, then the data says it is real. I am a VERY experienced experimentalist and design instrumentation for a living, and the tests were actually very well done, with key variables monitored (or at least measured) by multiple different means.
>>If Rossi’s effect is real, Pons & Fleischmann will get the Nobel Prize (as long as they’re still alive)<<
Now that Obama has received the Nobel Prize, I’m not all that impressed with it anymore.
>>I shy away from videos because they’re loaded with spyware junk.<<
Two programs will take care of that issue for you. Run them before turning off your PC. CCleaner and MRU-Blaster are both small, effective programs.
Really?? The SINGLE such item that I have seen was the point about wet-steam/dry-steam in the first demonstration, immediately after which Rossi and Levi completely changed the test conditions so that NO STEAM was generated, and that experiment yielded results confirming the first one. You can find summaries of both on the LENR-CANR website.
If you're referring to Krivit, he's no scientist....he's a business major and "journalist". And he's beating the same "wet-steam/dry-steam" notion that has already been disproved.
And that is another part of why I hope the E-Cat proves out.
The way these two guys were ripped apart by *The Scientific Establishment* was the equivalent of what happened to Halton Arp in the field of astronomy.
Well, if he wins a Nobel prize for Nuclear Physics, then I’ll share your viewpoint.
The Nobel Peace prize is bullstuff.
I'm not going back again to find the location, but it wasn't a journalist. That I'm sure of.
It's clear to anyone reading this thread that there are 3 types here.
1.) Those who believe it.
2.) Those who don't.
3.) Those who want more evidence.
You are #1 and I am #3.
Since they originate from the United Nations I would refuse any and all of them.
It’s clear to anyone reading this thread that there are 3 types here.
1.) Those who believe it.
2.) Those who don’t.
3.) Those who want more evidence.
***It’s more like a pie chart. All of us want more evidence. The “types” on these threads are those who have their scam-o-meter at various points for Rossi. Most of us are pegged at ~50% on the scam-o-meter. Some are at 99% scam, some are at 33% scam.
Then there are those of us who’ve been following LENR (not necessarily Rossi) for some time, and think there is a lot of evidence for LENR, which I would put my meter at 90% for that. Heck, I have money in my pocket as a result of Yoshiaki Arata’s experiment getting replicated.
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There were also questions from other scientists on the video, and Rossi was unable to satisfy them.
***Rossi’s an engineer, not necessarily a scientist. Wonder Warthog once had a good post discussing the difference.
Professor Y.E.Kim: his theoretical analysis could explain the E-Cat?
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Thanks for the ping(s). Interesting, but WAY above my pay grade....I don’t think bosons had been invented when I took physics, so I’ll refrain from comment.
The experiments I am qualified to judge....theory.....not so much.
But I’ll stick a thought in here that recently occurred to me that may help explain why a lot of the “scientist-types” don’t “get” Rossi, and complain about his experimental methods.
Rossi is doing ENGINEERING research, not SCIENTIFIC research.
The goals of engineering research are a bit different from scientific research. One is intended to say, “I have proved (this natural phenomenon) does (something)”. The other says “I’ve done enough data collecting sufficiently validly to justify spending further money on this possibly commercial idea”.
The methods and standards for engineering research are a bit “looser” than for pure science. As I used to design instrumentation for use in engineering research (and production), I’ve worked under both regimes. In many cases, I have seen the engineers turn things over to the “pure science” guys to “dot the i’s and cross the t’s”, just as Rossi is doing with the Bologna and Upsala folks.
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No comments questioning your intelligence and/or credentials which I am positive far outweigh mine because I don’t have any.
As children we do many things then only after we have studied in school do we understand the reasons “why” something was so challenging.
Time//36:30 to 36;48
Pending the possible interpretation I conclude by saying that the master Watts, the master blacksmith Watts, had built the first steam engine and Thompson, Carnot came much later to interpret with theory, but much later.
I said on FR once before that I believe Rossi knows what he has invented is going to be a boon to the world but as to why it functions exactly as it does, he has a slight clue. It may be generations before the theory is completely determined.
Take a look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8eIhth8Iw8
Time//00:30 and you’ll see three naked Rossi’s ‘E-cat’ nuclear reactor inventions and one wrapped in tinfoil.
Look closely and you’ll notice slight differences in each of them with explains they are still studying various forms of the idea.
Look closely and you’ll notice slight differences in each of them with explains they are still studying various forms of the idea.
Excellent observation!
This is the type of information that helps me to make an informed opinion.
Just imagine if this is true, the upheaval within the Arab countries.
The leaders would have to deal with a citizenry that relies on oil profiteering, and keeps their people ignorant and enraged.
I really hope this is true, and that we can all have cheap, affordable energy.
Perhaps this can even be incorporated in moving out into space!
Let me explain it this way....at bottom, it doesn't MATTER whether Rossi can explain it or not...the fact that matters is that the experiments are reproducible...which, barring fraud, they are. Science isn't really about "theory", science is about verifiable facts. Sometimes those have theories, sometimes they result in theories being developed, and sometimes they are never explained.
To give you a major concrete example....in the first days of radio telescopes and radio astronomy, some experimental astrophysicists discovered that no matter where they pointed their 'scopes, they picked up microwave radiation. They couldn't explain it, but it was reproducible, and they got the Nobel Prize for it. It was years later that the "Big Bang" theory was developed to explain it. But because the experiments were reproducible, science easily believed it.
If you read up in depth on Cold Fusion, you will find that, although making it "repeatable at will" has proven VERY difficult, that it HAS been repeated, scientifically, peer reviewed, repeated. But because it has been "tarred" with a negative campaign from a subset of physicists who are determined NOT to believe it, no matter what the evidence, recognition of those facts has not been widespread.
Look up the summary of the latest MIT "Cold Fusion" conference (there is a link on one of the CF threads here), which summarizes the science, and actually has glimmerings of a theory.
"You are #1 and I am #3."
Actually, you and I are both "3's. I'd like see fraud completely ruled out, and more thorough studies done. But those studies are being done, and the evidence available is not nearly as flawed as a lot of people are making out.
What I'm trying to do is to get folks off the "kneejerk negative" line and actually LOOK and understand the existing available data set(s).
Americans have the shortest memories on the planet. The Victory mosque will have been built in NYC by then. They'll be blocking half the streets so they can pray en masse and our borders will still be wide open to all who wish to come over for financial asisstance.
>>if this is true, the upheaval within the Arab countries.<<
If the E-cat removes or greatly reduces the need for ME heavy crude, particularly if it happens in a relatively short period of time, I full well expect that we (the industrial West) will hear calls to subsidize their transition from an energy producing region (price-gouging, I say) to....what? Permanent ward of the West, most likely.
After all, having taken away their means of (lavish) support we are now responsible for these unfortunate peoples off of whom the western world was able to flourish.....barf
Muslins are permitted to take over New York City streets to pray en masse. Imagine if Mormons or Catholics wanted to do this on a daily basis, would your city officials permit them to interfere with traffic this way?
They are fighting back in Murfreesboro, TN against the building of a mosque and the Sharia law that comes with it. Herman Cain speaking out against it, too.
Cain says Tenn. mosque would spread Islamic law
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/07/14/cain-says-tenn-mosque-would-spread-islamic-law/
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