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Fleischmann Watches Online Rossi Coverage
Infinite Energy ^ | JULY/AUGUST 2011 | Marianne Macy

Posted on 07/16/2011 1:46:31 AM PDT by Kevmo

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1 posted on 07/16/2011 1:46:43 AM PDT by Kevmo
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To: All; y'all; et al

links

http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/FleischmannWatches.pdf

http://sms.cam.ac.uk/media/1150242

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8eIhth8Iw8


2 posted on 07/16/2011 1:48:59 AM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: dangerdoc; citizen; Lancey Howard; Liberty1970; Red Badger; Wonder Warthog; PA Engineer; ...

The Cold Fusion Ping List

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles


3 posted on 07/16/2011 1:50:10 AM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: All; y'all; et al

If Rossi’s effect is real, Pons & Fleischmann will get the Nobel Prize (as long as they’re still alive)


4 posted on 07/16/2011 1:51:59 AM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Kevmo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8eIhth8Iw8

A poorly made video by a gentleman who seems to be “all over the place” in his explanation.

Lacking any clear demonstration of the equipment or the process it employs, it's impossible for me to believe it.

Are there any videos of the actual “machine” working properly, in front of other scientists, who can see positive results?

5 posted on 07/16/2011 2:12:35 AM PDT by airborne (Paratroopers! Good to the last drop!)
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To: Kevmo

E-Cat explains where the Viking Kitties get their superlative powers from.


6 posted on 07/16/2011 2:37:52 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: airborne

I dunno. I shy away from videos because they’re loaded with spyware junk.


7 posted on 07/16/2011 2:43:36 AM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: airborne
"A poorly made video by a gentleman who seems to be “all over the place” in his explanation."

Well, the gentleman in question is a Nobel Laureate in Solid State Physics, not a videographer. But, guess what, "Lattice Assisted Nuclear Reactions" is fundamentally a phenomenon in solid state physics, so I think his expertise is probably better than yours (or mine, for that matter) about the subject.

"Are there any videos of the actual “machine” working properly, in front of other scientists, who can see positive results?"

Several. Go to the "Videos" page of Google and use search terms (Rossi "Cold Fusion").

Or, you can copy/paste this link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4JUJhkpc3I

8 posted on 07/16/2011 3:51:53 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

Occam sez if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

And Rogaine hair restorer, if it really worked well, they wouldn’t need to advertise it.

TV’s Ronco used to plead, “But wait, there’s more!” I ain’t waiting. I suppose there’s more Rossi E-Cat coming, but I ain’t gonna chase after it and beg for info.


9 posted on 07/16/2011 4:18:08 AM PDT by flowerplough (Bammy: It frustrates me when people talk about government jobs as if somehow those are worth less.)
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To: flowerplough
"Occam sez if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is."

Note the word "probably". Sometimes "Occam" is wrong. But I don't use "Occam" to make judgments. I prefer data.

10 posted on 07/16/2011 4:28:45 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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I don’t want to hear any more about what Britain is doing. Who cares? Why is it relevant to the U.S.


11 posted on 07/16/2011 5:32:59 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Kevmo

While I cheer Rossi’s E-Cat, it appears that it is exploiting a phenomena that is still not adequately understood. Nobody will be able to really make progress in fully exploiting what Rossi stumbled on to until we have a sound theoretical basis for what exactly is going on inside Rossi’s reactor.


12 posted on 07/16/2011 5:42:56 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Wonder Warthog

You prefer data. As do most. As does William of Occam.

Got any?


13 posted on 07/16/2011 7:51:10 AM PDT by flowerplough (Bammy: It frustrates me when people talk about government jobs as if somehow those are worth less.)
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To: flowerplough; Wonder Warthog
You prefer data. As do most. As does William of Occam.

William of Occam was interested in a parsimonious explanation, not in reams of data.

As to the meaning of data: A device from which the initial electrical input has been disconnected that continues to produce >410C steam for many hours is producing lots and lots of data. Technical specifications about how it's constructed and the materials used in its construction are not data. Notations about measurable changes in the output of the device over time are data. The explanation of the underlying physical phenomenon, though, is not an example of data, though it may be supported or not by data. And someone's explanation of the underlying physical phenomenon may turn out to have no basis in fact, but that still doesn't mean the phenomenon does not or cannot exist.
14 posted on 07/16/2011 8:11:00 AM PDT by aruanan
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I don’t want to hear any more about what Britain is doing. Who cares? Why is it relevant to the U.S.
***No comprehendo, senior


15 posted on 07/16/2011 8:13:49 AM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: flowerplough

Occam sez if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
***No, that aint what Occham sez.

“Entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily.”

It is perceived to mean that the simplest explanation is the best.

Here is where Occham will prove Cold Fusion to be real:

Let’s say your objection to those 14,000 observations is that the operators don’t know calorimetry well enough, even though everyone who does these experiments is aware of the objection. Let’s say the chances of making a calorimetry error are 1/3. The chances of EVERYONE involved making substantial error is 1/3*1/3*1/3... 14thousand times... making it (1/3)^14000. The mathematical cutoff point for the impossible is typicall (1/10)^50. That makes you off by billions and billions, by thousands of orders of magnitude.

So let’s introduce a new Occham Impossibility Magnum (OIM), which is 10^-50. In a more-or-less typical cold fusion theory, KP Sinha describes how 100 ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE are shaved off modern physics equations. That would be 2 OIMs.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2743039/posts?q=1&;page=112

Naturally, the physicists huff & puff about how someone like KP Sinha is a charlatan because of those 2 OIMs. But in that huffin’ and puffin’ they overlook 70 OIMs.

“Entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily.”


16 posted on 07/16/2011 8:26:35 AM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: theBuckwheat

Nobody will be able to really make progress in fully exploiting what Rossi stumbled on to until we have a sound theoretical basis for what exactly is going on inside Rossi’s reactor.
***Not true. For thousands of years, mankind used fire although no one had a “sound theoretical basis for what exactly is going on inside”. And it was the Wright brothers who brought us across the threshold of manned flight by their experimentation, not by their theories. Rossi acts a lot like the Wright brothers.


17 posted on 07/16/2011 8:29:19 AM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Thanks for the link. For anyone else who wishes to view it, here is the live link - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4JUJhkpc3I

This video is 41 minutes, so I’m off to watch it in it’s entirety.


As for my comment that the video is poorly made, I stand by it. The obvious fact that he is smarter than you or me doesn’t change the quality of the video.


18 posted on 07/16/2011 8:31:25 AM PDT by airborne (Paratroopers! Good to the last drop!)
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To: Kevmo
Well, I watched the 41 minute video (subtitles and all) and I am still unconvinced.

I hope I'm wrong. But seeing the device, aluminum foil wrapped around several parts of it, I have my doubts.

And Rossi, explaining that he doesn't know why it works like it does, just that it does, isn't helping his case much.

Guess I'll just have to be content with the coming comments questioning my intelligence and credentials.

;^)

19 posted on 07/16/2011 9:15:03 AM PDT by airborne (Paratroopers! Good to the last drop!)
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To: airborne

And Rossi, explaining that he doesn’t know why it works like it does, just that it does, isn’t helping his case much.
***The Wright brothers once commented that trying to unravel the secrets of flight by watching birds was like trying to learn magic by watching a magician. Rossi is a magician, and he doesn’t appear to need help for his case.
So, trying to learn the principles behind the E-Cat by watching him in action is gonna be tiring & relatively unproductive for the inductive reasoner.


20 posted on 07/16/2011 9:21:56 AM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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