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To: Nachum
Seriously. For those of us not in the trenches or on the ground there stateside, but rather, far away, we read of this stuff from time to time and in increasing amounts.

Is it "hype"? Is it "real?" A little of both?

My biggest wish would be for Freepers to report in anonymously on this thread as to what they are really seeng and hearing and experiencing at the grassroots these days. It might help to know which state it is in. Also, what people generally in their circles (work, family, friends, apolitical associates) think NOW of Obongo after 2 1/2 years of it.


16 posted on 07/18/2011 7:47:47 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (At this point, just about ANYBODY except Romney, Pawlenty, Paul, Huntsman, Newt is OK w/me...)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I see the new thread responses just before my own post now and appreciate those vignettes and stories....heartbreaking in many instances. Keep ‘em coming, gimme the bad news, I can take it. We gotta’ know where we stand as a nation and what is happening to us in real terms as the grassroots everywhere.


18 posted on 07/18/2011 7:51:34 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (At this point, just about ANYBODY except Romney, Pawlenty, Paul, Huntsman, Newt is OK w/me...)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Here in the Northeast kingdom, the dummies are still happy with Hussain. There are four abandoned homes in a ten minute drive. People are telling me that although there is abandoned properties, they cannot find a decent deal locally. People with debt are feeling the pinch and I am renting to people who have had real estate defaults, not something I usually see.

Leftists are becoming more dogmatic. However in stores people are saying that they are angry and seem to blame Washington and many blame the administraion.

I point out frequently when I am in line to pay for gas that Hussain promised that he would send prices soaring, and he is keeping that promise.


20 posted on 07/18/2011 7:56:13 PM PDT by Chickensoup (The right to bear arms is proved to prevent totalitarian genocide.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

“My biggest wish would be for Freepers to report in anonymously on this thread as to what they are really seeng and hearing and experiencing at the grassroots these days. It might help to know which state it is in. Also, what people generally in their circles (work, family, friends, apolitical associates) think NOW of Obongo after 2 1/2 years of it.”

A good friend will be moving out of state with her elderly father this week.

She has looked for work for three years. Nothing.

They are out of UI and savings are depleted and welfare with social security can not keep them fed. They have no debt; they just can’t pay the rent, buy food, and keep their utilities.

They are moving in with family. They had no other choice.


26 posted on 07/18/2011 8:01:50 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

All my friend can’t wait for bambi to leave the White House! He is killing the economy........


29 posted on 07/18/2011 8:06:16 PM PDT by Die_Hard Conservative Lady (When all the working class leave California what will be left?)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

It’s real. New unlived in houses going unsold. Older houses? Cheap cheap cheap. No jobs except restaurant or fast food or the Indian casino down the road (if you’re Indian). In a word it’s BAD. Over 50 and need a job? forgetaboutit. Hope and Change ain’t working. It would take at least 4 years of drastic changes to undo what that Marxist did.


35 posted on 07/18/2011 8:35:04 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire but I swear I didn't see him in the rearview mirror.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo; Nachum

Why keep it anonymous? For some things are OK, for some much better than that and yet for others things are very bad and they have had to adapt to a very new and harsh reality. I can tell you this, there isn’t much hope that things will be better any time soon.

There was a spot on cable this evening about Caligula and how he managed to destroy Rome in four years. He was killed by a group of the Praetorian Guard led by Chaerea who saw this as a chance to restore the Republic. They put Caligula’s uncle Claudius in charge and things were no better. In fact, the people clamored for a return to the Empire and the death of Caligula’s assassin. Claudius had Chaerea killed and re-established the Empire though worse than before. Sound familiar?

We are living with crushing uncertainty and threat of lots of negatives. I can’t say it is much different from what prisoners lived with, characterized by the Stockdale Paradox. Constant threat with unfulfilled hope that things won’t keep getting worse. Waiting and hoping for something positive that never comes and not knowing how long they must endure. Most people are not able to simply hunker down and endure. I’ve often said we can stand on our heads in a cesspool if we know how long we have to do it and can come up for a breath now and then. obastard is like living in a cesspool without end. Under this condition hope eventually dies, it is dying now.

The guy that works part time up at the farm has given up on finding permanent work after a layoff, call back and then the old line light construction company he was working for just closed the doors. He picks up as much as he can on the side but he is pretty much just under employed. He lives the life Hand Williams, Jr. described... a country boy can survive though he knows he is on the edge.

I think smart people decide on self employment after so long of no success in the job market but they quickly find that regulations creep into every single corner of their lives.

There is a new scam supported by companies who hire small and other businesses called ISNetWorld... ISNUTworld is what I call it. A compliance company that charges the contractor for the service. Sweet deal for the hiring company who are running scared of running afoul of some pass through regulation non-compliance issue. Anyway, each company has their own set of questions maintained by ISNuts and ISNuts makes no effort to sort commonality... just a free-for-all that we have to comply with to work. There are virtually hundreds of inane questions and data collected... it serves no purpose at all but for someone to cover their asses and ISNuts to scam a buck.

Like one guy said, property taxes go up either by appraisal (very unrealistic) or by rate. The locals even rape their neighbors for taxes to feed the machine that serves up power and prestige for a few weak minds. We have been and continue to write checks we can’t cash.

Some people, who retired from public service, are not doing to badly at all though in some states they are wondering how much longer the gravy train can last. Anybody who is self funded in retirement is running a fool’s errand because maybe a fraction of a percent have managed to stash enough and I think the FEDS will eventually come after that at the rate things are going.

Even if obastard does not return this country is so evenly divided that all we will do is seesaw back and forth nipping away a little more each time the left is in power and gaining a lot less back when the right is in power. I fear the only solution is complete and utter destitution, destruction and reconstruction. The right does not have the resolve to make sweeping change because they always keep their eye on politics. As someone here in FR reminded me, maybe they have to for the greater good. I think though that this too is a fool’s errand because all it does is prolong the day until things just fall completely apart. Better to just get it over.

Misery is what most of the country is in though many can put on a good game face and play through. This is the reason for the rising insurance of toys one fellow mentioned. Sort of a live, laugh and love for tomorrow we die mentality?

I wish that every person who voted for obastard were suffering but they are not because most have made a lifestyle out of living in mediocrity on the dole.

So why keep the crimes against humanity that are being committed anonymous? Why hide the terminal illness infecting our Republic, Capitalism and our Freedoms?


60 posted on 07/18/2011 10:46:59 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I will tell you a very scary anecdote. I live in a very scenic and rural part of NJ (Yes, they exist). However, my job and taking my kid to swim meets requires me to travel throughout the state on a fairly regular basis. NJ has to be one of the densest and most congested state in the union. 5 years ago, traffic was a nightmare no matter when or where you went. Now, you can go through the densest part of the state during morning rush hour and it seems like a Sunday afternoon. It’s really bad. Hasn’t hit me yet but I know it’s coming.


77 posted on 07/19/2011 8:31:13 AM PDT by MattinNJ (Perry/Palin vs. Obama/Biden.)
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