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To: Tzfat

1. Part of my family is Jewish, I have grown up around Jews my entire life, so I stand by my statement
2. Whatever “goyim” “goy” and shiksa might have meant a long time ago, how tbe words are used now is/are a pejorative. As in “stupid shiksa”, “goyishe kopf” dumb goy etc.
Heard it my whole life.


58 posted on 07/25/2011 5:00:27 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: kabumpo; SJackson
Whatever “goyim” “goy” and shiksa might have meant a long time ago, how tbe words are used now is/are a pejorative. As in “stupid shiksa”, “goyishe kopf” dumb goy etc.
Heard it my whole life.

You say part of your family is Jewish? What does this mean? My experience as a full Jew ---- I have heard those words used pejoratively maybe 10 times in my life. "Goy" ---  I have rarely heard a Jew use that one at all. It's kind of dated. Shiksa I have heard more often as a neutral or complimentary statement. Such as he "He's going out with a lovely blond Shiksa". This said in a joking ironic way. "Goyim" I have heard as a simple statement of them being non-Jewish. Not said derisively

The usage you are angry about is dated back to when Al Capone was still alive

63 posted on 07/25/2011 5:50:32 PM PDT by dennisw (NZT -- works better if you're already smart)
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To: kabumpo
I have grown up around Jews my entire life, so I stand by my statement

I would suggest that you get out more. When you can say "Jews" (there are 15 million world wide) " hate Christians" with a straight face, then maybe you hang out with too many bad people. That is, unless you know all 15 million.

BTW, Orthodox Judaism forbids the hatred of non-Jews. Period. So might I suggest you hang out with "better" Jews?
93 posted on 07/25/2011 8:17:27 PM PDT by Tzfat
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