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Boehner Plan Faces Rebellion
Wall Street Journal ^ | 07/26/2011 | COREY BOLES And NAFTALI BENDAVID

Posted on 07/26/2011 11:23:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Edited on 07/26/2011 5:05:12 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

The leader of a large group of House conservatives said Tuesday he was "confident" there weren't enough GOP lawmakers to pass a plan by Republican House Speaker John Boehner to increase the debt ceiling and reduce the deficit.

Rep. Jim Jordan (R., Ohio), who said the Boehner plan didn't cut spending enough, heads a group that includes 178 of the 240 Republican House lawmakers.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: boehner; bohica; capitulation; debt; debtceiling; debtlimit; default; gop; weeperandweaselshow
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To: SeekAndFind
It doesn't really matter.

There will be a short term 11th hour fix which will lift the debt ceiling and kick the can a little bit further down the road but this will lead to an S&P downgrade (if they're true to their word).

None of the proposals really come close to achieving what the ratings agencies are looking for apart from Coburn's proposal.

21 posted on 07/26/2011 12:42:26 PM PDT by marshmallow (.)
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To: Jedidah

They didn’t vote on the CCB bill. They voted to table it. There has been no vote on the bill.


22 posted on 07/26/2011 12:50:57 PM PDT by lonevoice (Life is short. Make fun of it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

All Boehner needs is to cut so little that the Democrats will vote for it.

Dem-RINO Coalition


23 posted on 07/26/2011 12:53:48 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: who knows what evil?

Agreed. This raise debt ceiling now and cut spending later is just not getting it. Everybody has now wised up to the fact that cuts over 10 years probably means little or no cuts at all.


24 posted on 07/26/2011 1:06:46 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Fred
The pole position of Speaker of the House is in play...can y’all say Speaker Cantor...

Cantor is 100% with Boehner on this. These are the numbers they've been putting forth for months.

Problem is people are changing the goal posts on them the last couple of days. Not good.

25 posted on 07/26/2011 1:08:21 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: GeronL
All Boehner needs is to cut so little that the Democrats will vote for it.

Actually not. To cut ANYTHING is anathema to Dems.

That's exactly why dems been opposed to it all along. That and the "no tax hike" pledge which Boehner has cited and which is passing unless something messes up this deal.

If Boehner fails, Obama crows. Ugh.

26 posted on 07/26/2011 1:10:51 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: lonevoice; Jedidah
They didn’t vote on the CCB bill. They voted to table it. There has been no vote on the bill.

That's right.

My understanding is that the votes may have been there in the Senate. Which is precisely why Reid tabled it -- a vote was dangerous, and so a vote was not allowed.

27 posted on 07/26/2011 1:16:21 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: cardinal4

He said he was kidding and the quote was in quotes. To bad you are so stupid to realize.


28 posted on 07/26/2011 1:18:40 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: who knows what evil?

Apparently it cuts $6 billion in 2012.

Cuts will never happen beyond that.

This is a joke.


29 posted on 07/26/2011 1:19:15 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: SeekAndFind
Jim is the rep from the next district over to mine. Great guy. I need to send his campaign fund more money. I wish my weasly rep Mike Turner would go on record like this.

BTW, this is the first big public rift with the conservative caucus from Boehner, who has to pay attention to them.

30 posted on 07/26/2011 1:24:06 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: caww

The ratings agencies say they need to see $4 trillion in *spending cuts* (not debt increase) or it’s downgrade time. Obama et al want *no* spending cuts.


31 posted on 07/26/2011 1:27:41 PM PDT by kevao
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To: ClearCase_guy; Jedidah

I’ve read that too. Also, Sen DeMint wanted more time to lobby for it in the Senate before Boehner came out with yet another bad House deal. DeMint tweeted a couple of days ago that he was only short 4 Democrat votes for CCB to pass in the Senate. At least bringing it to the floor for debate offers the opportunity to discuss it, vote on it, or amend it.


32 posted on 07/26/2011 1:29:22 PM PDT by lonevoice (Life is short. Make fun of it.)
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To: kevao

I still can’t figure out why the annual deficits are FOUR times what they were just three years ago. Someone please explain to me how the deficit went from $400 Billion to $1.6 Trillion in less than three years.


33 posted on 07/26/2011 1:43:03 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: lonevoice
At least bringing it to the floor for debate offers the opportunity to discuss it, vote on it, or amend it.

That wouldn't work, it just might have passed. This would not have pleased Reid....or Boehner.

34 posted on 07/26/2011 1:49:08 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Jedidah
Pass a debt ceiling increase with only a balanced budget or debt ceiling limit amendment attached. Make the numbers big enough that actual balancing isn't required for 5 more years or so.

The American Dream has been killed by incremental socialism, and the ability of the left to seduce the American people with promises of something for nothing. They have won to date because they think long-term. A properly drafted constitutional amendment with no current spending cuts is an extremely difficult instrument for Democrats to vote against because there are no immediate cuts they can demagogue. Voting against it will just look irresponsible to a fickle electorate that wants a balanced budget conceptually, but shies away from the tough decisions necessary to implement it. An amendment eliminates that problem.

If ratified, it would give us a command of the long-term high ground we've never had. It's the Manhatten Project of fiscal discipline.

Sure, it would be nice to get immediate cuts, and to have it balance sooner. But getting those votes will be tough. So give the RATS the painless way to claim they're fiscally disciplined by giving them a clean amendment with no immediate consequences. The absolute beauty of getting such a resolution through the House and Senate is that the state-level ratification debate would occur in 2012, and would be a huge boost for conservatives. And of course, Obama couldn't veto it, but might waste a whole lot of political capital in trying to oppose it.

35 posted on 07/26/2011 1:49:17 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: ClearCase_guy

Yes, the CCB is perfect. It gives that thing living in our WH what he wants....no debt ceiling coming up in the election year. The goons need to be cut, capped and balanced...


36 posted on 07/26/2011 2:00:09 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 "Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the synaGOGue of Satan.")
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To: SeekAndFind
Rep. Jim Jordan (R., Ohio), who said the Boehner plan didn't cut spending enough, heads a group that includes 178 of the 240 Republican House lawmakers.

Oh, yeah....PREACH it, Jim! You're speaking for US, your constituents.

37 posted on 07/26/2011 2:00:20 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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To: EGPWS
Most of what is going on anyway is a fight between those who produce and those who take. Its the Makers vs. the Takers. Its fight that's been going on since the dawn of time. Here's a few of the most them


38 posted on 07/26/2011 2:01:18 PM PDT by Roninf5-1
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To: who knows what evil?
How about cutting ONE trillion by the end of the year?

I like the current path: do nothing. This cuts $1.65 Trillion by the end of the year.

39 posted on 07/26/2011 2:01:58 PM PDT by C210N (0bama, Making the US safe for Global Marxism)
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To: LS
Jim is the rep from the next district over to mine.

Yep.

Mine. ;*)

40 posted on 07/26/2011 2:02:09 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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