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Not So Swift Boater
The Weekly Standard ^ | 30 Jul 2011 (online) | Weekly Standard staff

Posted on 07/30/2011 11:29:16 AM PDT by Phil Harmonic

Those of us masochistic enough to have watched the 2004 Democratic convention might faintly recall the name Captain Wade Sanders.

[snip]

While Sanders’s record as a Democratic hack suggested he might have political reasons for supporting Kerry, Sanders also had a stellar military record, having been awarded a Silver Star in 1992, and his credibility wasn’t much in question.

That’s why The Scrapbook feels compelled to point out the ignominious denouement of the Wade -Sanders career. Yes, it’s true that Sanders is currently doing time in a federal penitentiary after admitting to being in possession of child pornography. As bad as that is, it’s not nearly as remarkable as what just happened to Sanders.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: johnkerry; stolenhonor; swiftvetspows; wadesanders
The Weekly Standard offers a perspective on the recent revocation of the Silver Star award to Wade Sanders, former high profile Kerry Campaign '04 aide...
1 posted on 07/30/2011 11:29:20 AM PDT by Phil Harmonic
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To: Phil Harmonic

There was an article posted on this guy last week and in the discussion, I learned for the first time the John Kerry was dishonorably discharged and then pardoned by Jimmy Carter. I was surprised to not have heard of it during the campaign.


2 posted on 07/30/2011 11:33:56 AM PDT by Baynative (If the government was in charge of the desert , we'd soon have a shortage of sand.)
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To: Baynative

That’s been often alleged but never proven.


3 posted on 07/30/2011 11:36:42 AM PDT by Phil Harmonic
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To: Phil Harmonic
Here's a screenshot from the 2004 Democrat convention

4 posted on 07/30/2011 11:37:07 AM PDT by Bobalu (He who is compassionate to the cruel will ultimately become cruel to the compassionate)
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To: Baynative

It was speculated about. This is why Kerry refused, refuses, to release his service records.


5 posted on 07/30/2011 11:37:24 AM PDT by DManA
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To: The Shrew

Swift Boats ping


6 posted on 07/30/2011 11:37:51 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Baynative
I learned for the first time the John Kerry was dishonorably discharged and then pardoned by Jimmy Carter. I was surprised to not have heard of it during the campaign.

I don't think this is a known fact. Kerry would not release his records; so it is only conjecture (I think).

7 posted on 07/30/2011 11:39:08 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Phil Harmonic
and from behind the paywall...
The scrutiny of Kerry’s war record was not only warranted but richly deserved comeuppance. If you still refuse to believe Adm. Roy Hoffman and the rest of the honorable Swift Boat veterans that Kerry didn’t tell the truth about his war record, go ahead and take Captain Wade Sanders’ word for it.

8 posted on 07/30/2011 11:40:45 AM PDT by Phil Harmonic
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To: Baynative
I learned for the first time the John Kerry was dishonorably discharged and then pardoned by Jimmy Carter. I was surprised to not have heard of it during the campaign.

Certainly probable. But, in the absence of Kerry releasing his records, it's not proven.

9 posted on 07/30/2011 11:52:24 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Phil Harmonic
Kunze would not say who or what prompted the review of Sanders’ Silver Star, nor would she say what new information had surfaced about the Silver Star.

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2011/07/navy-wade-sanders-silver-star-revoked-072711w/

He called the swift boaters liars. It would be easy to speculate that some of them went back and did some research on this guy's war record too.

10 posted on 07/30/2011 12:02:48 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Phil Harmonic

Kerry has long reminded me as a member of a particular type of hippy that I encountered as a teenager.

Basically, this type of hippy was pretty much completely amoral, didn’t believe in anything. Thought society was a fraud, thought America was a lie, thought the concepts of honesty and integrity were jokes. Oh yeah, hippies of this type also believed absolutely that they were immeasurably smarter than anyone else.

They thought that getting away with obnoxious, unethical, immoral, or even criminal behavior was something to be proud of and proved how clever they were and how dumb everyone else was.

Kerry, and this guy Wade Sanders, strike me as being from precisely that mold. For them, the entire military was made up of a hoard of stupid fools, and if they could lie their way into combat medals that would guarantee them glory and bennies when they got back to the world, they deserved it for having to subject themselves to the indignities of military service.

That the citizens of Massachusetts continue to vote Kerry back into his senate seat tells you a lot about them. They’re no different, for the most part, as far as I can tell. The hippy movement was huge in Massachusetts back in the late ‘60s and early ‘70s, with the student population of the Boston region leading the way. That’s the environment that Kerry came out of.


11 posted on 07/30/2011 12:06:29 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: DManA

“It would be easy to speculate that some of them went back and did some research on this guy’s war record too.”

First, Sanders did serve honorably and commendably (as did some 2,500,000 of his peers notwithstanding the infamous testimony of one John Forbes Kerry) receiveing both a Purple Heart and a Bronze Star for his service...both of which were deemed legitimate by the same review. For that he deserves our respect and gratitude.

However, the revocation of his Silver Star brings a whole new perspective (or should anyway) to his viscious excoriation of the Swiftvets as dishonorable smear merchants
while, at the same time, he was being touted by the Kerry campaign as a Silver Star awardee whose impeccable honor, integrity and credibility were inviolate.


12 posted on 07/30/2011 12:20:10 PM PDT by Phil Harmonic
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To: Steely Tom
Kerry certainly feels constrained by Senate protocol. What he'd feel more comfortable in, rather than a suit and tie, is a dirty sweatshirt, long hair in a ponytail and open toed sandals.
13 posted on 07/30/2011 12:24:44 PM PDT by JPG (Yes she can!)
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To: Steely Tom
"They thought that getting away with obnoxious, unethical, immoral, or even criminal behavior was something to be proud of and proved how clever they were and how dumb everyone else was."

Boy, that sure makes me think of a dead kennedy.

14 posted on 07/30/2011 12:41:58 PM PDT by matthew fuller (Forget impeachment- Extradite obama, biden, napolitano, muller, clinton and holder. Country saved!)
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To: Baynative
W was hounded for his military records but it took a court order to release his edited records. He was, I am told, busted to lowest enlisted seaman. Murtha refused to release his records. Boama refuses to release his records. I see a pattern here. The truth seems to be a casualty during elections.
15 posted on 07/30/2011 12:52:06 PM PDT by mountainlion (AMERICA LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT.)
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To: mountainlion

Are you saying that W willfully resisted releasing his military records?


16 posted on 07/30/2011 1:07:35 PM PDT by Mr. Peabody
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To: Mr. Peabody
That's news to me. Does the Texas Air National Guard have "seaman" as it's lowest rank? I would have guessed they would use "private".

It wouldn't matter if W "resisted" releasing all of his records. The leftists would have leaked them anyway, or just doctored some up out of whole cloth.

17 posted on 07/30/2011 1:21:33 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: Steely Tom
Kerry, and this guy Wade Sanders, strike me as being from precisely that mold.

Nicely stated...and I doubt history will fail to recognize it as well.

18 posted on 07/30/2011 1:26:05 PM PDT by Phil Harmonic
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To: mountainlion

Whose records are you talking about?

Kerry’s or W’s?


19 posted on 07/30/2011 1:29:40 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Reily

Bush released a ton of records. I had the impression that delays were caused by the Air NG being disorganized.


20 posted on 07/30/2011 2:16:00 PM PDT by Mr. Peabody
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To: Mr. Peabody
That was my impression too.
I am still confused as to who that poster was referring to!
21 posted on 07/30/2011 2:25:09 PM PDT by Reily
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To: mountainlion

Bush ordered the release of all of his records. We even have his college transcripts, which he didn’t try to hide (unlike John F’in Kerry). He was never busted. Those who served with him said he requested transfer to a squadron serving in VN, because the planes he flew were never used in Nam. That was the reason he never saw combat.


22 posted on 07/30/2011 2:54:58 PM PDT by TStro
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To: mountainlion
W was hounded for his military records but it took a court order to release his edited records. He was, I am told, busted to lowest enlisted seaman.
"W" usually refers to GW Bush; there is however no information I'm aware of that Mr. Bush (junior, not Pere) was ever in the Navy.

Am I to infer that you refer to Wade (Sanders)?

Murtha refused to release his records. Boama refuses to release his records. I see a pattern here. The truth seems to be a casualty during elections.

23 posted on 07/30/2011 3:00:24 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: Phil Harmonic
Sanders has become a sort of ghost on the web since his conviction. Many articles about his conviction and incarceration and now a lot about having his SS award rescinded. There is virtually nothing about all the years from Nam to prison. One article in the USNI proceedings in 1999 and a very short acknowledgment of his alumni status from UCSD. This guy was some sort of connected rat player in San Diego for years and I can't even find out what law school he attended. Obviously a lot of somebodies have been at work doing a slate wiper operation. The amount of child porn found on his computer would lead one to suspect he has been involved in sex with young girls for a long time. Perhaps even starting during his tour in VN. Certainly those temptations were present there. One can only wonder if he is tied into some underage sex ring with some other insider types in San Diego and in DC. In the latter cocaine and underage sex partners are a popular subset of the numerous perversions enjoyed by a lot of insiders. San Diego is not that far from Tijuana and before the drug cartel wars was a popular place for well off types to enjoy their perversion of choice. There is some reason Sanders has been slate wiped on the net. There are a number of people who don't want any connection with him known. Another footnote on the underside of the political class.
24 posted on 07/30/2011 3:52:36 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: Mr. Peabody

Are you saying that W willfully resisted releasing his military records?

Sorry about that. A short term memory here. W was hounded by the media and went out of his way for the release of every page. John Hanoi Kerry went out of his way to lie about his record and it took a freedom of information law suit to get his sanitized records released.


25 posted on 07/30/2011 4:18:30 PM PDT by mountainlion (AMERICA LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
W” usually refers to GW Bush; there is however no information I'm aware of that Mr. Bush (junior, not Pere) was ever in the Navy.

I was thinking too far ahead and did not get the first right. A Buddy of mine had his father and twin brother that were both on Swift Boats. My Buddie lost his twin brother MIA in Viet Nam.

26 posted on 07/30/2011 4:24:36 PM PDT by mountainlion (AMERICA LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT.)
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To: mountainlion

Hey, Dan Rather, what are you doing here at FR?


27 posted on 07/30/2011 4:36:43 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: mountainlion

Isn’t it amazing what the media let’s the left get away with?!


28 posted on 07/30/2011 4:41:25 PM PDT by Mr. Peabody
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To: editor-surveyor
Hey, Dan Rather, what are you doing here at FR?

Did Ran Dather report of John The traitor Kerrie's fake but accurate Courts Martial papers?

29 posted on 07/30/2011 4:43:35 PM PDT by mountainlion (AMERICA LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT.)
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To: Steely Tom
Basically, this type of hippy was pretty much completely amoral, didn’t believe in anything. Thought society was a fraud, thought America was a lie, thought the concepts of honesty and integrity were jokes. Oh yeah, hippies of this type also believed absolutely that they were immeasurably smarter than anyone else.

Sounds like "Yippies." They took themselves far too seriously.

30 posted on 07/30/2011 4:52:29 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Oh, well, any excuse to buy a new gun is good enough for me.)
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To: Phil Harmonic
In considering all things Kerry, the WSJ's James Taranto can usually be counted upon for the money observations. From his 23 Dec 2008 "Best of the Web Today" on the occasion of Sanders' conviction...
The following month, in a letter to the editor of the Boston Herald, Sanders harrumphed:
Yes, I am a member of Kerry's ready reserve of Swift Boat vets and unlike those who served with the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and their ilk, I serve with honor, integrity and exercise sound judgment. Fox would do well to reacquaint himself with those qualities.
Best of the Web Today

31 posted on 07/30/2011 5:14:31 PM PDT by Phil Harmonic
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To: Travis McGee; Interesting Times
Thanks for the Ping Travis. Let's bring in the real expert.

Semper Fi,

TS

32 posted on 07/30/2011 6:03:15 PM PDT by The Shrew (www.wintersoldier.com; www.tstrs.com; The Truth Shall Set You Free!)
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To: mountainlion

Your post appeared to be channeling Rather WRT W.


33 posted on 07/30/2011 6:35:26 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: Mr. Peabody
Isn’t it amazing what the media let’s the left get away with?!
It might be, if there were any reason to suppose that journalism actually was objective, as it claims.

But then, the very claim of objectivity is proof that journalists aren't even trying to be objective. If they were trying to be objective, they would be declaring their interests, not claiming not to have any.

If they were trying to be objective, they would admit that their interest is not in informing the public but in flattering it in its ignorance, and pandering to its vices. And, rather than promoting the Democratic Party, they would condemn it for acting on precisely the same impulses which rule journalism.


34 posted on 07/31/2011 3:23:55 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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