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Jury hears tapes of polygamist discussing sex
AP via Yahoo ^ | August 2 2011 | WILL WEISSERT

Posted on 08/02/2011 6:11:32 PM PDT by MizSterious

Jury hears tapes of polygamist discussing sex

AP
By WILL WEISSERT - Associated Press

San ANGELO, Texas (AP) — Prosecutors played two audio recordings Tuesday of a polygamist sect leader instructing his 14-year-old "spiritual wife" and several other young women on how to please him sexually, and thus win favor with God.

Warren Jeffs, 55, is head of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, which believes polygamy brings exaltation in heaven. He is accused of sexually assaulting two girls, ages 12 and 15, he took as brides in what his church calls "spiritual marriages."

A forensic analyst testified Monday that Jeffs was the father of the 15-year-old's child. On Tuesday, prosecutors played a tape of Jeffs talking to the girl when she was 14, after Texas Ranger Nick Hanna testified about documents and electronic files seized during a 2008 police raid at the church's remote compound in West Texas.

The Associated Press generally does not identify victims of sexual crimes.

Among the materials recovered during the raid was a record of Jeffs' marriage "for time and all eternity" with the 14-year-old in January 2004. An excerpt from hundreds of pages of Jeffs' personal journals said the child was "pure and innocent and willing to obey" and that he summoned her parents and "informed them of their girl belonging to me."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: flds; mormon; rape; warrenjeffs
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Ok, I'm speechless. Read the whole thing, but expect a gag reflex.
1 posted on 08/02/2011 6:11:41 PM PDT by MizSterious
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To: Pebcak; UCANSEE2; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; greyfoxx39; proudofthesouth; pandoraou812; metmom; ...

Warren Jeffs trial pinglist—if you want on or off, let me know via freepmail!


2 posted on 08/02/2011 6:13:13 PM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: MizSterious

Disgusting... just a way to hide the fact that he is a child molester.


3 posted on 08/02/2011 6:14:02 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: momtothree

Is this representative of how the LDS church got its start? Are we looking at a bunch of recent (within living memory) doctrines ginned up to enable such shenanigans?


4 posted on 08/02/2011 6:17:29 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page))
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To: MizSterious

Everytime I see Dingy Harry Reid, I think he must be Warren Jeffs brother. Looks just like him.


5 posted on 08/02/2011 6:32:04 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: HiTech RedNeck

What I know about the LDS church and polygamy could fill a thimble. That being said, the concept that a man can “wed” a child is disgusting. I don’t care what type of scripture the man twists to “justify” his need for young girls... a cult IMHO.


6 posted on 08/02/2011 6:34:40 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: MizSterious

He’s a classic child molester who should have been arrested decades ago.


7 posted on 08/02/2011 6:34:50 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta; momtothree

Exactly. And his followers are complicit—that includes the mothers of these children they pimp out to old geezers like Jeffs.


8 posted on 08/02/2011 6:38:23 PM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: MizSterious

“... that includes the mothers of these children they pimp out to old geezers...”

That is why I refer to it as a cult. What Mother would ever do that?


9 posted on 08/02/2011 6:42:26 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: MizSterious; All

Shudder.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2021731/Warren-Jeffs-trial-Court-hears-sex-tape-instructing-14-year-old-spirtual-wife.html#ixzz1TvH9KyLX


10 posted on 08/02/2011 6:53:28 PM PDT by Pebcak
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To: momtothree
That being said, the concept that a man can “wed” a child is disgusting. I don’t care what type of scripture the man twists to “justify” his need for young girls... a cult IMHO.

Mad Mo is not amused with your lack of tolerance for diversity . . . and it's not like he molested Aishia when she was only six and they married; he waited three whole years until she was nine just to give her time to grow up. Girls did mature younger then, you know. [If anyone can't tell whether this is sarcasm without a "/s" tag, I'm worried.]

11 posted on 08/02/2011 6:54:19 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: MizSterious

This POS child molester Jeffs has to be sent away for good, make an example of him to his twisted followers.


12 posted on 08/02/2011 6:56:42 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo; MizSterious
This POS child molester Jeffs has to be sent away for good, make an example of him to his twisted followers.

I'm wondering if there are a lot of similar groups that are doing the same thing.

13 posted on 08/02/2011 7:02:57 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: MizSterious

‘A forensic analyst testified Monday that Jeffs was the father of the 15-year-old’s child. On Tuesday, prosecutors played a tape of Jeffs talking to the girl when she was 14,’

He was having sex with is 14 year old DAUGHTER??!!??


14 posted on 08/02/2011 7:11:55 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Liberty and Union, Now and Forever, One and Inseparable -- Daniel Webster)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta; MizSterious
I'm wondering if there are a lot of similar groups that are doing the same thing.

I know there's a group in Canada right now (offshoot of this group?) that is hassling the Canadian government.

Years ago there was a group that went to Mexico, I believe they called themselves the Reorganized LDS or something like that.

I'd bet there are a few more but kinda doubt there are a lot of them, they tend to draw attention to themselves even if they don't want to.

15 posted on 08/02/2011 7:15:07 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: MizSterious

The gag reflex set in before I was done with the excerpt.

There are not a lot of people I hope God has reserved a hot spot in hell for, but this guy certainly qualifies.

Claiming that this kind of behavior is commanded by God is an abomination that just about defies belief.


16 posted on 08/02/2011 7:15:18 PM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Is this representative of how the LDS church got its start? Are we looking at a bunch of recent (within living memory) doctrines ginned up to enable such shenanigans?

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Yes, it is how the LDS church got its start. These core doctrines and teachings are from Joseph Smith and have not been repudiated or condemned by the SLC Mormons, even though they stopped practicing polygamy by 1930 (the first ‘manifesto’ was given in 1890 but not as revelation or commandment but merely as suggestion).


17 posted on 08/02/2011 7:19:58 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: MizSterious

I feel like puking........


18 posted on 08/02/2011 7:21:54 PM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: momtothree; HiTech RedNeck

Several of Joseph Smiths plural ‘wives’ were 13-16 when he married them. Several others were still married (and living with) their legal husbands as well.

All of this shares the same history and doctrine as SLC Mormonism, except these people continue to practice what Smith taught rather than give it up for statehood.


19 posted on 08/02/2011 7:23:59 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut
Yes, it is how the LDS church got its start. These core doctrines and teachings are from Joseph Smith and have not been repudiated or condemned by the SLC Mormons, even though they stopped practicing polygamy by 1930

Never repudiated or condemned?

20 posted on 08/02/2011 7:23:59 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: reaganaut; HiTech RedNeck

Polygamy and raping children are not the same thing. Both are destructive and evil but they I don’t think the early LDS church supported marriage between 50 yr old men and 14 yr old girls.


21 posted on 08/02/2011 7:26:17 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta; jazusamo; MizSterious

I’m wondering if there are a lot of similar groups that are doing the same thing.

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There was, at last count, at least 50 of these polygamy groups (with prophets) coming from Mormonism. And that does not include the ‘independent’ polygamists (those outside a formal ‘church’.


22 posted on 08/02/2011 7:27:52 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: momtothree

I really believe everyone is missing the bigger picture. The main LDS church in Salt Lake City is complicit in all of this. Declaring Jeffs a molester and accepting that “F” LDS is an offshoot gives the larger church an “out”. This kind of crap goes on in lots of LDS families. Don’t ask me how I know.


23 posted on 08/02/2011 7:30:05 PM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: driftdiver; HiTech RedNeck; Dr. Scarpetta; jazusamo

I don’t think the early LDS church supported marriage between 50 yr old men and 14 yr old girls.

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You would be incorrect in that. All of the early LDS leaders and prophets (Young, Pratt, Joseph F Smith, Wilford Woodruff, Lorenzo Snow, John Taylor) took child brides well past their 50’s and some into their 80’s.

And, polygamy has never been condemned or repudiated. When asked, the LDS will say “we got rid of that 100 yrs ago” or ‘we no longer practice it’, but the ‘revelation’ regarding polygamy that these groups use (Doctrine and Covenants 132) is still in LDS scripture, still believed and still supported. There are also many rank and file LDS who are looking forward to the time when the LDS church is considered ‘worthy’ again and polygamy will be restored.

The more you know about polygamy, the more disgusting it is.


24 posted on 08/02/2011 7:41:06 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Terry Mross; momtothree

This kind of crap goes on in lots of LDS families.

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Terry is right. There was an LDS family in my congregation (Ward) whose father married off his 14 and 16 yr old daughters to marines so they would remain ‘pure’. At the time, you could still get married in Utah at 14 with parental permission.


25 posted on 08/02/2011 7:43:53 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

Just wondering if Mormonism is a growing religion...


26 posted on 08/02/2011 7:58:20 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Just wondering if Mormonism is a growing religion

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They keep their numbers close to the vest, and if you do not go through a name removal process they will keep your name on the rolls (and count you as a member) until your 110th birthday.

However, a few years ago, by their own admission they were at ZERO percent growth rate. However, the truth is, as seen on a lot of ex-mormon forums and such, they are losing probably close to 200,000 members OFFICALY each year, that does not include those who do not go through the name removal process (which can be a hassle).

I had to fight for 18 months to get my name of LDS records.


27 posted on 08/02/2011 8:07:16 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: metmom

I am right there with you on the puking. Just hearing that perv speak gives me the chills. YUK


28 posted on 08/02/2011 8:08:28 PM PDT by pandoraou812 ((You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you.))
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To: reaganaut
I had to fight for 18 months to get my name off LDS records.

I'm not informed about Mormonism. In fact, I just did a Google search to see if there are any churches in my area, and there are.

29 posted on 08/02/2011 8:24:23 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
I highly suggest you go and watch:

http//www.whatloveisthis.tv

I was where you are - when a couple of years ago I looked up on the TV and saw the rescue in progress.

I read all the books - Carolyn Jessop, Elissa Wall and even some of the ones written by the LeBarons - the Mexico faction. (His Favorite Wife and Shattered Dreams)

But - Doris Hanson on what love is this - contrasts Mormon beliefs with those of Christianity. She also covers polygamy. You can stream each hour on the internet when you have time. Well worth it.

30 posted on 08/02/2011 8:50:32 PM PDT by Pebcak
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To: Pebcak

Thank you...


31 posted on 08/02/2011 9:03:36 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

20 years ago, in order to have your name removed, you had to go through a ‘bishops court’ and be excommunicated. A man in AZ sued claiming slander and defemation in the early 1990’s and won and forced a change.

Now, offically all you have to do is send a letter (preferably one of the letters online and cc a law office) to SLC and your local congregation. You have to specify no contact or you will recive visits and letters asking you to reconsider and informing you that your ‘blessings’ of baptism and such are REVOKED (they use the term revoked).

When I left, I had moved and had to go through the process of having my local records located and transferred to my local congregation and then deal with the name removal locally, then after several months I was still receiving phone calls asking for my current information so members of the congregation could come visit me. A letter from my lawyer finally resolved the situation.

From what I have heard, it is easier now to get it done without jumping through their hoops, but a lot of people don’t bother with it and so are still officially members of the LDS church.


32 posted on 08/02/2011 9:44:55 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Pebcak; Dr. Scarpetta

http//www.whatloveisthis.tv

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It is very well worth the time. I have known Doris for about 10 years now and she is amazing.


33 posted on 08/02/2011 9:47:35 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: MizSterious

Put this guy in general population and walk away.


34 posted on 08/02/2011 9:48:13 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Put this guy in general population and walk away.

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As much as I would like that, they might argue it would be ‘cruel and unusual punishment’ especially if he has received threats from other inmates. Some prisoners are put in solitary or special wards for their own protection.


35 posted on 08/02/2011 10:44:57 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut; Pebcak; MizSterious

I'm watching 'What Love is This,' and her guest, Bill McKeever, wrote this book.

36 posted on 08/03/2011 6:42:56 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: MizSterious

“Prosecutors have promised to play still another recording — this one of Jeffs having sex with the 12 year old girl — before resting their case.”

I’m pretty sure it is against the law to listen to that tape.


37 posted on 08/03/2011 6:47:37 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: driftdiver

“I don’t think the early LDS church supported marriage between 50 yr old men and 14 yr old girls.”

It didn’t support adultery but church leaders married other mens wives.


38 posted on 08/03/2011 6:49:09 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy
I’m pretty sure it is against the law to listen to that tape.

Why?

39 posted on 08/03/2011 6:56:49 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; Tennessee Nana; ...

Ping to those not on MizSterious’ ping list...I suggest you read the entire article...and then ask yourself why Utah and Arizona have allowed this cult to exist for decades.


40 posted on 08/03/2011 8:00:00 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (My God can't be bribed by money or good works or bound by manmade "covenants". Romney's can.)
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why Utah and Arizona have allowed this cult to exist for decades.

Depository for ugly people?

41 posted on 08/03/2011 8:56:23 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where Freepers will meet again next summer. Especially Elsie!)
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To: MizSterious

I’d rather see a Lifetime movie about this than the slutmom.....I’ll bet the Texas Rangers and Tom Green County deputies are having a hard time reminding themselves to keep him safe during this trial.


42 posted on 08/03/2011 9:00:07 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Going into Rehab means never having to say you are sorry....)
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To: AppyPappy
"I’m pretty sure it is against the law to listen to that tape."

On what grounds?

43 posted on 08/03/2011 9:07:33 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

LOL—in a way, I agree, but I also suspect they are true professionals and won’t do anything less than their best.


44 posted on 08/03/2011 9:10:03 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

That would be my idea of justice, but it would probably result in more lawsuits. Still, wouldn’t it be fitting to see Warren Jeffs passed around between the inmates, as if he were some poor, mostly helpless 12 year old girl in the fLDS?


45 posted on 08/03/2011 9:13:22 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: AppyPappy

Why? They had a warrant and if the tape actually shows him having sex with an underage girl it is child porn -


46 posted on 08/03/2011 9:19:09 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Going into Rehab means never having to say you are sorry....)
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To: MizSterious

47 posted on 08/03/2011 9:58:53 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

Lol—that’s pretty much how I felt as I read that article—and others that go into still more (and worse) detail on the Salt Lake Tribune. (Can’t post ‘em, they’re in cahoots with RightHaven.)


48 posted on 08/03/2011 10:10:11 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: MizSterious
"informed them of their girl belonging to me."

Sounds like ol' Jeffy is a fan of...

Zero Wing

49 posted on 08/03/2011 2:43:02 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
He’s a classic child molester who should have been arrested shot decades ago.
50 posted on 08/03/2011 2:44:11 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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