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Posted on 08/08/2011 8:41:57 AM PDT by MizSterious
That’s amazing. And just now on TRU, they had some flack on there claiming that the fLDS is one of the most wholesome groups of people he’s ever met, that he’s never even heard of a child being spanked, that no one except Jeffs ever “married” a 12 year old and on and on. I need hip boots to wade through that big dump of caca del toro!
SAN ANGELO, Texas — A Texas jury has heard an audiotape of convicted polygamist leader Warren Jeffs preparing at least four underage girls to have sex with him.
Jurors considering Jeffs' punishment in his child sexual assault trial listened Monday to more than 10 minutes of Jeffs detailing how the girls would please him. An FBI agent testified that a 14-year-old, two of her sisters and a half-sister were part of the recording.
The head of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints was heard telling the girls they were helping atone for sins in their church community.
(Excerpt--click here for the rest.)
Is anyone keeping track of what the Salt Lake branch of mormonism is saying since all these tapes have been played?
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You have to dig for it in the mormon news but I put in “jeffs” and got one..
From the Mormon company owned newspaper, Deseret News...
Monday, Aug. 8, 2011 1:16 p.m. MDT (so its brandnew)
“Jurors hear audio of Warren Jeffs training girls for sex”
SAN ANGELO, Texas — Softly telling five girls to “set aside all your inhibitions,” convicted polygamous sect leader Warren Jeffs was heard Monday giving his child brides instructions on how to please him sexually during a graphic 10-minute tape played for a Texas jury.
An FBI agent testified that the 2004 audiotape, in which Jeffs is heard breathing heavily, preceded Jeffs having sex at the same time with all the girls, who were 15 and younger. Several jurors squirmed or wiped away tears during the sometimes-scratchy recording.
Jeffs faces life in prison after being convicted by the same jury last week of sexually assaulting two of his “brides,” who were 12 and 15. The sentencing phase of his trial is expected to finish early this week.
Prosecutors showed a page from one of Jeffs’ journals.
“If the world knew what I was doing, they would hang me from the highest tree,” Jeffs wrote in 2005, according to one of thousands of pages of notes seized from his Texas ranch.
The 55-year-old is the ecclesiastical head of the Utah-based Fundamentalist LDS Church. More than 10,000 followers consider him God’s spokesman on earth.
Jeffs boycotted his sentencing phase for a third straight day, but made a brief courtroom appearance Monday after being summoned by state District Judge Barbara Walther. She told Jeffs’ attorney, Deric Walpole, that she wanted to make sure Jeffs hadn’t changed his mind.
Wearing a charcoal suit and carrying a blank yellow legal pad, Jeffs walked back into court but never spoke. Walpole said Jeffs wanted to stay outside, and Jeffs was escorted back to another room in the courthouse.
Soon after, prosecutors played the tapes. Jeffs is heard telling the girls that what “the five of you are about to do is important.” The recording ends with him asking the girls if his instructions are detailed enough. The voices of at least two girls responded, “Yes.”
Last week, jurors heard a tape of what prosecutors said was Jeffs sexually assaulting the 12-year-old victim.
Prosecutors suggested that the FLDS leader told the girls they needed to have sex with him — in what Jeffs called “heavenly” or “celestial” sessions — in order to atone for sins in his community. Several times in his journals, Jeffs wrote of God telling him to take more and more young girls as brides “who can be worked with and easily taught.”
FBI agent John Broadway testified that fathers who gave their young daughters to Jeffs — their prophet — were rewarded with young brides of their own. Girls who proved reluctant to have sex with Jeffs were sent away, according to excerpts from Jeffs’ journals that prosecutors showed to the jury.
“If they wanted to not be rejected by God, then the new laws (Jeffs) was introducing was requiring them to participate in these sessions,” Broadway said.
The recordings and journals were seized during a 2008 raid on the sect’s Yearning for Zion ranch in rural West Texas. That raid led to the charges against Jeffs and several of his followers.
Jeffs spent years evading arrest — crisscrossing the country as a fugitive who eventually made the FBI’s Ten Most Wanted list before his capture in 2006, prosecutors said. Jeffs also allegedly excommunicated 60 church members he saw as a threat to his leadership, breaking up 300 families while stripping them of property and “reassigning” wives and children.
Walpole, Jeffs’ attorney, has declined to say whether he’ll call witnesses during the sentencing phase. He has indicated that his plea for leniency will focus on Jeffs being a product of his environment and a culture that hasn’t changed for centuries.
The other day when one of their reporters was so blunt the article was taken down...
If world knew what I was doing, they would hang me ...,’ FLDS leader wrote
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Joey Smith displayed the same paranoia and acknowledgement that what he was doing was unacceptable to normal society..
Joey Smith hid his sexual crimes behind walls and away from the public too, and blamed the same mormon god and denied he was doing anything wrong
If the same things were happening in Joey Smiths religious ceremonies, no wonder the local people objected so strongly to the Mormon cult...
Joey Smith sickened even his own hardened members when it came to his sexual deviancy...
At least one was “excommunicated” for telling Joey to stop his philandering with young girls..
“If the world knew what I was doing, they would hang me from the highest tree,”
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Joey Smith said the following in a sermon about a month brfore he got himself killed ina shoot out. At the time he had had at least 40 adulterous sexual relationshps with girls as young as 14 and at least 11 married women ...
“Another indictment has been got up against me. It appears a holy prophet has arisen up, and he has testified against me: the reason is, he is so holy. The Lord knows I do not care how many churches are in the world. As many as believe me, may. If the doctrine that I preach is true, the tree must be good. I have prophesied things that have come to pass, and can still.
Inasmuch as there is a new church, this must be old, and of course we ought to be set down as orthodox. From henceforth let all the churches now no longer persecute orthodoxy. I never built upon any other man’s ground. I never told the old Catholic that he was a fallen true prophet God knows, then. that the charges against me are false.
I had not been married scarcely five minutes, and made one proclamation of the Gospel, before it was reported that I had seven wives. I mean to live and proclaim the truth as long as I can.
This new holy prophet [William Law] has gone to Carthage and swore that I had told him that I was guilty of adultery. This spiritual wifeism! Why, a man dares not speak or wink, for fear of being accused of this.
William Law testified before forty policemen, and the assembly room full of witnesses, that he testified under oath that he never had heard or seen or knew anything immoral or criminal against me. He testified under oath that he was my friend, and not the “Brutus.” There was a cogitation who was the “Brutus.” I had not prophesied against William Law. He swore under oath that he was satisfied that he was ready to lay down his life for me, and he swears that I have committed adultery.
I wish the grand jury would tell me who they are—whether it will be a curse or blessing to me. I am quite tired of the fools asking me.
A man asked me whether the commandment was given that a man may have seven wives; and now the new prophet has charged me with adultery. I never had any fuss with these men until that Female Relief Society brought out the paper against adulterers and adulteresses.
Dr. Goforth was invited into the Laws’ clique, and Dr. Foster and the clique were dissatisfied with that document, and they rush away and leave the Church, and conspire to take away my life; and because I will not countenance such wickedness, they proclaim that I have been a true prophet, but that I am now a fallen prophet.
Jackson has committed murder, robbery, and perjury; and I can prove it by half-a-dozen witnesses. Jackson got up and said—”By God, he is innocent,” and now swears that I am guilty. He threatened my life.
There is another Law, not the prophet, who was cashlured for dishonesty and robbing the government. Wilson Law also swears that I told him I was guilty of adultery. Brother Jonathan Dunham can swear to the contrary. I have been chained. I have rattled chains before in a dungeon for the truth’s sake. I am innocent of all these charges, and you can bear witness of my innocence, for you know me yourselves.
When I love the poor, I ask no favors of the rich. I can go to the cross—I can lay down my life; but don’t forsake me. I want the friendship of my brethren.—Let us teach the things of Jesus Christ. Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a downfall.
Be meek and lowly, upright and pure; render good for evil, If you bring on yourselves your own destruction, I will complain. It is not right for a man to bear down his neck to the oppressor always. Be humble and patient in all circumstances of life; we shall then triumph more gloriously. What a thing it is for a man to be accused of committing adultery, and having seven wives, when I can only find one.”
(Joseph Smith, Address of the Prophet—His Testimony Against the Dissenters at Nauvoo. Sunday, May 26, 1844)
http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/sermons_talks_interviews/smithboastingandpolygamydenial.htm
“If the world knew what I was doing, they would hang me from the highest tree,”
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Steve Benson, the grandson of the Mormon prophet, Ezra Taft Benson has a good post on the similarities between Joey Smith and Warren Jeffs...Its longish but informative..
“It has been accurately pointed out that convicted accomplice to rape Warren Jeffs’ establishment of his polygamous cult compound in Texas had its roots in the twisted ideas of fellow polygamous child abuser Joseph Smith:
“The seeds Joseph Smith planted have sprung up in Texas. . . .
http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,265667,265667#msg-265667
SAN ANGELO, Texas (AP) - A Texas jury has seen photos of polygamist leader Warren Jeffs riding a Harley-Davidson motorcycle and wearing novelty T-shirts and a baseball cap with a Guinness beer logo.
The photos shown Monday during the sentencing phase of Jeffs' child sex assault trial were a contrast to the modest, conservative attired favored by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
(Excerpt--click here for the rest.)
Thankfully the site did not provide the pictures; good grief, the description was bad enough!
Just about anyone who works with sexually abused children will tell you this is classic grooming by pedophiles. HLN thinks he'll go away for a long time--I can only hope that's true. I'm encouraged that this is Texas.
That was going to be Bin Laden's defense as well...
(”Warren Jeffs Raping 12-Year-Old ‘Spiritual Wife’—Caught On Tape,” at: http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/08/warren-jeffs-raping-12-year-old-tape-played-court)
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http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,265328,265328#msg-265328
http://phrecords.wordpress.com/2010/07/01/2005/
He describes learning to ride a motorcycle so he can sneak into Short Creek. (I'm assuming that was today's pix)
He describes he and Naomie going out to the east coast for a very expensive dinner - to see how the apostates lived. (Sure Warren)
He describes during his travels throughout the states - having some young wives brought to him and other returned to YFZ - across state lines. While they were in the motels he had them watch porn so they could see how wicked the gentile world was. (Sure Warren.)
He also describes going to each and every continuous state at their Capital buildings and “knocking the dust off his shoes” or something like that. Basically cursing them.
Then he takes credit for Katrina.
If you can take it - it's a fascinating look into the mind of a sociopath. Beware though, it is disturbing.
One more comment: If they put WSJ away these practices will not stop. It is the way of the FLDS.
Helen Mar Kimball was tricked and “groomed” by her own parents and Joey Smith to give in to Smiths sexual demands at age 14....
“Van Wagoner recounts the story of how the 37-year-old Smith attempted to persuade 15-year-old Helen Mar Kimball (the daughter of Heber C. Kimball) to be sealed to him as his wife. The young Kimball stated that Smith told her, “If you will take this step, it will insure your eternal salvation and exaltation and that of your father’s household and all of your kindred” (p.293).
Helen would later regret that she acquiesced to Smith’s proposal. “I would never have been sealed to Joseph had I known it was anything more than ceremony. I was young and they deceived me by saying the salvation of our whole family depended on it” (p.294).
Mormon historian Richard Van Wagoner, “Sidney Rigdon, Portrait of Religious Excess”)
source: http://www.mrm.org/amorous-advances
“Amorous Advances by the Mormon Prophet” (By Bill McKeever)
One can only imagine the parts of the tapes that were unprintable...
http://www.childbrides.org/boys_KSLTV_FLDS_lost_boys.html
Ex-communicated FLDS Boys are Asking for Help
By Kimberly Houk
KSL TV Channel 5 New
More than 400 teenage boys are wandering the streets of southern Utah ... with no where to go ... and no where to call home.
They're called the "Lost Boys" ...
Dr. S:
Bear in mind, that this was before Warren went on his family shuffling and excommunication pogrom. Families had to get rid of anyone who was not worthy of Yearning For Zion.
In his dictations - he used a lot of those young men to build his sex temple for no pay - to get them to work 24/7 he was dangling the possibility of a wife in front of them.
When he was finished with them - he threw them out on the street. Remember, the mothers are complicit in this, too.
How do you “sneak” into town on a Harley ???
In the 1920s my father and his friends had bikes something like an Indian...
They would roar through villages scaring old ladies and chickens for fun...
The whole idea with those early bikes was to make a lot of noise..
(Dad told us not to date guys who wore leather jackets and rode bikes LOL)
So if jeffs had a tip toeing Harley, he had it well trained...
I read somewhere today that girls who refused him were also tossed out ..
Every time the newsies or TV readers state the victim was 15 - that is incorrect. She had the baby at 15. The rape occurred when she was 14.
Victims: Age 12 and age 14
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