Polygamist heard on tape training girls for sex

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[LouAvul]

Prosecutors seeking life in prison for convicted polygamist leader Warren Jeffs closed their case with a final barrage of graphic audiotapes, records of 24 alleged underage brides and writings that ordered followers to "fight to the death" when police eventually came for him.

The same jury that convicted Jeffs last week of sexually assaulting two of his child "brides" could now hand down their punishment early as Tuesday. Even in prison, he could continue to lead the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

Among the final pieces of evidence was an audiotape of Jeffs having sex and one of him telling five girls to "set aside all your inhibitions" as he gives his child brides instructions on how to please him sexually.

[LouAvul]

One of the tapes had to do with him sexually assaulting a 12 year old girl.

[LouAvul]

Oops. This is an excerpt.

[Bullish]

Lucky for him that God will be dealing his punishment and not me.

[Dogbert41]

This is why the Mormans had to leave for Utah in the first place. The rest of America at the time would not tolerate them.

[moonhawk]

I believe The Lord is perfectly capable.....

[Tennessee Nana]

PING

[ransomnote]

“If the world knew what I was doing, they would hang me from the highest tree,” Jeffs wrote in 2005.

[ransomnote]

But there’s that wonderful verse in the bible that says (paraphrasing) “He that does harm to the littlest of mine, does that harm to me”

[GeronL]

Pedophiles are the worst.

[mockingbyrd]

Ugh. What an evil man.

[Upstate NY Guy]

But there’s that wonderful verse in the bible that says (paraphrasing) “He that does harm to the littlest of mine, does that harm to me

Mark 9:42 maybe:
Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe to stumble, it would be better for him if, with a heavy millstone hung around his neck, he had been cast into the sea.

[lurk]

He learned it from Joseph Smith.

He’ll likely not do well in prison.

[ransomnote]

Thanks for looking that up. I thought it was scarier though....must be thinking of “WHATEVER YOU DID UNTO ONE OF THE LEAST, YOU DID UNTO ME “
Which, when I just found it, had to do with random acts of kindness. I must be recalling a pastor’s interpretation (e.g., and the corollary must therefore be true?)- I think he was talking about child abuse in his sermon and I extended his use of this verse too far, probably.

[wolfcreek]

They bought the Texas property through a 3rd party.

[Mister Da]

I do hope Warren will have a very large, promiscuous, queer cellmate, who tells Warren to “”set aside all your inhibitions” as he gives his child bride instructions on how to please him sexually.

Appropriate, don’t you think?

[Pontiac]

This is why the Mormans had to leave for Utah in the first place.

The Mormans left Ohio because Joseph Smith started a bank and all of the money mysteriously disappeared. The Mormans left shortly there after as there were threats on the lives of the banks officers of which Smith was one.

[Zakeet]

This is why the Mormans had to leave for Utah in the first place. The rest of America at the time would not tolerate them.

The Mormans left Ohio because Joseph Smith started a bank and all of the money mysteriously disappeared. The Mormans left shortly there after as there were threats on the lives of the banks officers of which Smith was one.

For the record, the Mormons left Ohio after the failure of the Kirtland Safety Society. Their bank was never chartered with the state, never had any contributed capital, never had any competent management, and issued large amounts of counterfeit money. Thousands of people were financially ruined in the fiasco, which was one of the triggers of the Panic of 1837 and following five year depression ... one of the worst economic downturns in this country's history. Smith and Rigdon fled Ohio to escape criminal prosecution.

"If the people [of Missouri] come on us to molest us, we will establish our religion by the sword. We will trample down our enemies and make it one gore of blood from the Rocky Mountains to the Atlantic Ocean. I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Quran or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us – Joseph Smith or the Sword" – History of the Church, Vol. 3, p. 167.

The Mormons left Missouri after undergoing a "civil war" (as per Hubert Bancroft's History of Utah), followed by the Missouri Mormon War. Among other things, the Saints private army (known as the Danites) committed numerous atrocities, including killing several Missouri guardsmen and mutilating their lifeless bodies. Smith's declaration of war is shown directly above.

Smith, Rigdon and other Mormon leaders were captured at the end of the conflict; were charged with "treason, murder, arson, burglary, robbery, larceny, and perjury," and were ordered held without bail. They escaped from authorities (they bribed their custodian with money and a small keg of whiskey) while being transported to stand trial and fled to Illinois.

The Saints, sans Smith (who was killed in a blotched jailbreak) and Rigdon (who was unceremoniously dumped in a power struggle following Smith's death), left Illinois after a second civil war (re. Bancroft), two more deployments of the National Guard, and numerous internal struggles -- known collectively as the Illinois Mormon Wars. Gerald Tanner also presents convincing evidence that the Saints were again involved in widespread counterfeiting.

Upon arrival in Utah, the Saints continued their bloody criminal legacy for decades. Among other things, they were engaged in eight named Indian wars, the Utah War of 1857 (against the United States), the Mountain Meadows Massacre (of about 120 Christian settlers passing through Utah on their way to California), and four more "civil wars" (Bancroft). The Saints' "destroying angel," Porter Rockwell (above) is estimated to have murdered at least 150 persons, many of them Saints, many through the Mormon doctrine of "Blood Atonement." The Mormons were heavily involved in the Bear River Massacre, which resulted in the slaughter of about 400 Shoshone Indians.

Bottom Line: Upon considering Mormonism's troubled history, there are numerous sound reasons why, "The rest of America at the time would not tolerate them."

[aruanan]

Compare the softened, "No, don't think of him as a psychopath" version of Porter Rockwell with the photograph. Note the eyes.

[MizSterious]

Warren Jeffs trial pinglist—if you want on or off, let me know via freepmail.

I’ll be out of town most, if not all, of the day today. One article I read suggests the jury may get this later today, so I hope the next big article says he goes to jail for 100 or more years! ;)

[CodeToad]

“Lucky for him that God will be dealing his punishment and not me.”

It’s man’s job to arrange the meeting.