Posted on 08/12/2011 9:37:58 AM PDT by wolfcreek
Investigators made no mention of child sex tapes, or seized photos of polygamist leader Warren Jeffs kissing young girls, after their April 2008 raid on the sect’s remote Texas compound. Instead, the public saw the televised spectacle of more than 400 children being bused from the ranch over an abuse hotline call that proved to be bogus.
As Jeffs begins serving a life sentence, brought down by damning evidence seized at the ranch and finally revealed in court, the Texas Ranger who led the heavily scrutinized raid and investigation said he feels vindicated.
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Jeffs/FLDS ping
Too bad they didn't do the same at Waco.
Absolutely they should have been removed.
However, when the state starts making “the ends justify the means” arguments, we are in deep trouble.
Yep. Number one it was illegal to release those tapes of children, or even their names except in the courtroom.
And yes, the end IS what the beginning is all about. The investigators, even if the public didn’t know, knew what was going on with those children.
As usual the RATS were trying to get a gotcha, which only succeeded in getting those children put right back into a horrible situation of endoctrination and abuse. Hopefully it was a wake-up call for those mothers (hopefully also they’re not all too brainless) and they will realize what happened to them and what they were allowing to happen to those children.
Oh please. Those arguments are made every day, in every single area of life. Plus, the means were not bad. They were actually standard protocol for removing children from abusive environments. It’s just that in this case, it was on a huge scale. Moreover, every single one of those children were (and still are) in danger. The shame was in returning them to those abusive homes.
Warren Jeffs trial pinglist—if you want on or off, let me know via freepmail!
There are still some around, although they don’t seem to be as active in getting threads removed and people banned as they once used to be. ;)
Is S.D. still in self imposed exile? She was one of the most vocal defenders of the fundamental L.D.S. child rapists.
"Wah, wah, they took the children from there mommies". At the time, it was the most prudent thing to do until the rapists of little children were identified among them.
This isn't over, the surface has been scratched and that's about it. It is time to jail some parents who willingly gave up their young daughters to these pedophiles, some in the hope that would help grease their way into Heaven.
I haven't been here as long as you have but have been here long enough to remember those days. I had a relatively mild reply removed by a mod when I hadn't been here very long, something to the effect that J. Smith was a false prophet. I thought it prudent at the time, not to object, being a relative newbie.
I'm thankful that the owner of this forum allows a free range of discussion and within the "religion forum" there is now an ongoing full disclosure allowed of all cults. Some strict rules there but I understand the need for them and they are fair.
I was wondering where SD has been. At least we didn’t have to read about the tank again! I hope that TX goes after the mothers now. I can not understand this cult or women who will hold a 12 or 14 yr old down so a perv can rape her. I don’t buy the brainwashing stories as much as I did either. I think the FLDS bank needs to be broken & all the welfare money repaid. These children need some sort of protection. Some of the children don’t even belong with the parents who have them. It is sickening that this went on as long as it has. And another perv will step up & keep it going.
There were plenty of them here on FR when the whole thing went down.
Those who agreed with the actions were shredded.
I’m still a little torn in places ;>)
Hopefully with Jeffs out of the picture maybe some of these families will find a true religion.
“Oh please. Those arguments are made every day, in every single area of life”
The quantity of an argument doesn’t suddenly render it a valid argument.
Now don’t misunderstand me, I am in no way defending the pedophile, Jeffs. He got what he should have gotten. My point is that, after years of Prosecuting, that once you start seeing the state argue that the result was good and thereby justified the means, you are in trouble. That is the beginning of the police state. Just listen to Obama. That is his go to argument.
I don’t believe that “The ends justify the means” is the argument at all. I believe the Ranger was saying that they were excoriated by public opinion because the reasons for the children being removed couldn’t be revealed. There was nothing wrong with the “means”.
Or cops holding guns to kids heads, which she repeated endlessly. I challenged her every time I saw her write that, to show me a picture of one kid being held at gun point, of course she couldn't because it didn't happen.
And again, the Constitution is not meant to protect a child rape, sex slave ring simply because they slap a label of religion on it.
At what point do you say enough? Some religions practice human sacrifice. What do you do with that? Is that protected by the First Amendment.
BTTT
Did you join FR just so you could stand up for the fLDS? I note your signup date.
That aside, Politicalmom and Metmom both had excellent posts, I hope you read them. But I would like to add, once again (I stated it earlier), that the means were just fine. There are times when the State has to step in for the welfare and safety of the people, including those people who happen to be children.
I do not believe the statement by the Texas Rangers had anything to do with trying to make the end justify the means. They were just providing more information, information they could not provide earlier.
There happen to be valid complaints about the overreach of the government (Obamacare being just one), particularly the federal government—but I see no such thing is this case.
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