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BART admits halting cell service to stop protesters
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 8/12/11 | Michael Cabanatuan, Chronicle Staff Writer

Posted on 08/12/2011 3:31:28 PM PDT by SmithL

BART officials acknowledged this afternoon that they shut down cell phone and wireless data service in its downtown San Francisco stations to disrupt a planned protest. Their announcement sparked denunciations from civil libertarians and the apparent threat of a cyber-attack on the BART website.

A statement posted on the transit agency's website said the communications blackout was ordered in the interest of public safety:

"Organizers planning to disrupt BART service on August 11, 2011 stated they would use mobile devices to coordinate their disruptive activities and communicate about the location and number of BART Police," the statement reads.

"A civil disturbance during commute times at busy downtown San Francisco stations could lead to platform overcrowding and unsafe conditions for BART customers, employees and demonstrators. BART temporarily interrupted service at select BART stations as one of many tactics to ensure the safety of everyone on the platform."

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


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To: 21twelve
Sounds like they have their own cell “towers” in their stations as a convenience to their riders? I think if that were the case - not sure I see the problem with it.

You are correct, most tunnels have 'leaky-pipe' antennas connected to mini cell stations. But when you get a Federal License for one, you agree to the ITU treaties.

Federal law trumps in this case, localities can't do this without permission from the FCC.

Clearly interstate commerce, the way I read the Constitution. And I'm not a fan of how the IC clause has been abused.

/johnny

41 posted on 08/12/2011 4:12:26 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: tomkat

Finally my snide comments get noticed!


42 posted on 08/12/2011 4:14:29 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: rockrr
I don't see a problem with this.

Jamming radios is unlawful under federal law, and treaty. Don't like it? Change the law.

/johnny

43 posted on 08/12/2011 4:14:50 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“But when you get a Federal License for one, you agree to the ITU treaties.”

Oh - thanks! So not quite the same as if I turn off my unprotected WI-FI and my neighbor using it gets mad.


44 posted on 08/12/2011 4:16:13 PM PDT by 21twelve (Obama Recreating the New Deal: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts)
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To: oh8eleven

Reminds me of the people stuck on an escalator video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYexOlC0CXw


45 posted on 08/12/2011 4:17:25 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (There's a reason the mascot of the Democratic Party is a jackass.)
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To: GeronL
Riot, you are.

I noticed, I grinned, and even chuckled a bit, but I didn't post. We're not supposed to engage punsters. It causes excess punnage. ;)

/johnny

46 posted on 08/12/2011 4:17:25 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

BART goes to other states??


47 posted on 08/12/2011 4:17:41 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: JRandomFreeper

It’s my punnagement I guess


48 posted on 08/12/2011 4:18:15 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: unixfox
But what if someone was trying to call YOU?

They can leave a message and I'll return their call when I get home.......that's where my cell phone is, just like my land line used to be for the past 60 years........

49 posted on 08/12/2011 4:19:14 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (You can't forfeit the game Chuck! If you go home you forfeit!)
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To: bboop

“They are using things for flash-mobs, stop the service.”

Yep. Screaming FIRE! in a crowded movie theater is not protected free speech either.


50 posted on 08/12/2011 4:21:03 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (There's a reason the mascot of the Democratic Party is a jackass.)
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To: 21twelve
WI-FI spectrum, by federal law, and treaty, is wide open (frequencies and powers vary by country), as long as you remain in the power constraints of the law. ;)

If you really want to mess with your neighbor, though, leave your access point open, un-encrypted, and protect it with MAC address allow/disallow. One in 200 can figure out why they can't connect. ;)

Cruel barstid, am I.

/johnny

51 posted on 08/12/2011 4:22:24 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Jamming radios is unlawful under federal law, and treaty.
They didn't "jam," they shut the whole thing down.
Unlawful or not, if this saves millions of dollars of damage - or more importantly - saves only one life, then they can take the laws and treaties and shove 'em.
52 posted on 08/12/2011 4:22:24 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: GeronL
Telecoms that BART licensed (directly or through a contractor) from the Federal Government goes to other states, and by accepting the license, they agreed to follow federal law and treaties.

/johnny

53 posted on 08/12/2011 4:24:11 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: oh8eleven
saves only one life, then they can take the laws and treaties and shove 'em.

K, so I'll mark you down in the Pro-Life, Anarchist column. ;)

/johnny

54 posted on 08/12/2011 4:25:52 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: unixfox
And what if someone had an emergency? You know, murder, rape, robbery, medical, those sorts of PUBLIC SAFETY issues.

There are plenty of emergency phones around the stations for just such cases. Those are land lines, and wouldn't have been affected.

55 posted on 08/12/2011 4:26:19 PM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: GeronL
See... that's why we're not supposed to encourage punsters. ;) I will not pun... I will not pun....

/johnny

56 posted on 08/12/2011 4:29:30 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: dfwgator

Perhaps it was a test in the Gov’s ability to shutdown communications and control the populace. They used the flash mob as the excuse to see the efficiency and effectiveness of new “crowd control” methods.


57 posted on 08/12/2011 4:31:44 PM PDT by Billyv (Freedom isn't Free! Neither are Liberalism and Stupidity! Pay one price or the other!)
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To: 21twelve

“Although I suppose they are some form of government entity - so a bit more tricky than if it was some private company. “

Another good reason to privatize as much as possible.

Can you imagine if a city was developed by a private corporation so that all the land, roads and buildings were still owned by the corporation and never handed over to a government to become “public” spaces ? People can protest all they want, but not on private property, so they couldn’t actually disrupt anything within the city. Union thugs couldn’t block businesses because their picket lines would have to be outside the city limits.


58 posted on 08/12/2011 4:33:52 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (There's a reason the mascot of the Democratic Party is a jackass.)
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To: jessduntno
Last time I looked it was a SERVICE we PAY for. When that is uninterrupted intentionally, for no reason, it is called theft.

Did you leave off the /s or do you really think that companies have the right to change TOS at their pleasure?

Two points. First, it was not the phone companies that disrupted the cellular service in the stations, it was BART. Second, if you read the TOS, you are not guaranteed to have coverage everywhere you go. If you were, you could sue every time you didn't have any signal...

Now, I know it is a violation of FCC regulations for an individual or a private business to interfere with cellular service. That is why theaters cannot block cellular reception in the building, although they would love to be able to do so. But since BART is a quasi-government agency, they are probably allowed by law.

59 posted on 08/12/2011 4:34:22 PM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: JRandomFreeper
Except, technically, it's against federal law and ITU treaties. Jamming or impeding telecommunications traffic is unlawful. For over 100 years.

If you or I interfere with cell service, we get in trouble. If a city government shuts down cell service, and their excuse is that it was necessary in a police emergency, I doubt if the feds will intervene.

Unless it was a Republican city doing it to suppress a SEIU demonstration, at which point Holder will ask for the death penalty for all officials involved.

60 posted on 08/12/2011 4:42:57 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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