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Big-ticket F-22 Raptor jet fighter has never seen battle
Anchorage Daily News ^ | August 13th, 2011 | W.J. HENNIGAN

Posted on 08/14/2011 11:58:36 AM PDT by skeptoid

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To: Java4Jay

SAMs are cheeper than jets. We need a plane that can get through a modern air defense. That means stealth.


101 posted on 08/15/2011 5:56:09 AM PDT by LevinFan
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To: rlmorel
The nuclear missile submarine had never seen combat...

Or the strategic ballistic missiles we have. Or the AEGIS systems on our ships. Etc., etc., etc. We wouldn't have much of a strategic military left if we measured its effectiveness by whether or not we had used it in the "brush wars" after 9/11...

Your analysis is spot on! Folks who don't understand the need for dominant weapons systems are the modern day versions of the grasshopper in Aesop's fable of the grasshopper and the ants...

102 posted on 08/15/2011 6:06:24 AM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: 1010RD

Untilled a first tier enemy learns how to jammed drones. Then it’s pilots in the cockpit again.


103 posted on 08/15/2011 6:50:36 AM PDT by LevinFan
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To: skeptoid
“$412 million” Bull$hit!
104 posted on 08/15/2011 6:52:37 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: skeptoid

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105 posted on 08/15/2011 6:54:43 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: LevinFan

Newer inferred technology and radar which sees the ‘holes’ these aircraft produce will come to age making these slow multibillion jets obsolete.

Speed and distance is the answer


106 posted on 08/15/2011 6:58:05 AM PDT by Java4Jay
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To: rlmorel
There is one documented case (I do not have time to find it right now) of an F-15 killing an F-22 in games. I have the presentation in Powerpoint. The F-15 pilot was checked out in both planes and flying against a nugget F-22 pilot.
107 posted on 08/15/2011 7:00:08 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: skeptoid
Big Ticket Nukes Have Never Seen Battle

So, they serve no purpose?

108 posted on 08/15/2011 7:16:16 AM PDT by Mr.Unique (Very generic, non-offensive, tagline.)
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To: Java4Jay
The Cold War; we never went into battle,

Tell that to the KIAs from Korea and Viet Nam.

109 posted on 08/15/2011 7:23:18 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: RFEngineer
I’m guessing much of that is maintaining the RCS(sic).

RAM

110 posted on 08/15/2011 7:25:22 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
But the F 104 IIRC never flew a combat mission either.

You recall incorrectly.

111 posted on 08/15/2011 7:34:38 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

“RAM”

There is much more to maintaining RCS (that’s what you call it...) configuration than the materials themselves, of which “RAM” is only part of it.

Every single hatch, door, rivet, screw has to be treated to maintain the RCS.

Sometimes RCS is not so much about controlling the magnitude (though lower magnitude is always sought) as it is controlling the direction in which it “spikes”.

All of these things are part of maintaining RCS - much much more than just materials.

It takes time (as measured in maintenance per flight hour) but usually improves significantly as it goes, like other aspects of the platform.

That said, I’m not generally a fan of the F-22 on cost alone. The same avionics, engines, and other efforts could be integrated into an F15 platform at a far lower cost, reducing the F22 buy and resulting in more aircraft and a more effective force (in my opinion)

I can go into more (unclass) detail if you wish to know. I used to do this for a living.


112 posted on 08/15/2011 7:50:41 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: spetznaz

For certain. The US military understands the fundamental importance of air supremacy v. air superiority.

The fundamental question is noted by someone above - having never used my gun does it make my gun a waste of money?

Liberals would say yes, until the day they’re mugged.

If America were to lose a major war, it would be the end.


113 posted on 08/15/2011 8:06:58 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: LevinFan

That contingency is already accounted for.


114 posted on 08/15/2011 8:09:11 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Well, enlighten me if you would be so kind.


115 posted on 08/15/2011 9:25:55 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: mad_as_he$$

I have heard of that case...just goes to show, there is always, always, always some chink in the armor or a weak point.


116 posted on 08/15/2011 9:44:36 AM PDT by rlmorel ("When marching down the same road, one doesn't need 'marching orders' to reach the same destination")
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To: A.A. Cunningham

True, I stand corrected. Thank You to all who gave it their ALL.


117 posted on 08/15/2011 11:23:13 AM PDT by Java4Jay
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To: Java4Jay

“A unique situation of dissimilar corrosion between the surfaces of the carbon skin and aluminum structure, not the normal corrosion one finds in other aircraft.”

I wasn’t aware tha carbon fiber corrodes, but of course you have technical proof of that, eh?? (So far, I’ve read a lot of allegations, but no evidence by responsible engineers...)

JC


118 posted on 08/15/2011 1:46:32 PM PDT by cracker45
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To: Java4Jay

“Plus they have to stay dry, a big problem.”

I have never heard of this being a specified requirement for any modern aircraft. Can you produce same for the F-22? Last I heard, it was designed to be all-weather capable, per spec!

JC


119 posted on 08/15/2011 1:53:47 PM PDT by cracker45
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