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Rick Perry a right-winger? Don't make me laugh
NJ.com ^ | August 14, 2011 | Paul Mulshine

Posted on 08/19/2011 10:14:10 PM PDT by Tempest

The media may have pronounced Rick Perry the darling of the right wing, but Justin Raimondo has a different take. Perry's a liberal internationalist, just like the Texas governor before him:

Another clueless Texas Governor surrounded by the same Praetorian Guard of conniving neocons who led us down the road to imperial overstretch and fiscal ruin last time around – isn’t that just what the GOP needs right now?

The neocons have anointed their candidate, and it’s clear they have some sense he’s swimming upstream:

"’He will distinguish himself from other Republicans as a hawk internationalist, embracing American exceptionalism and the unique role we must play in confronting the many threats we face,’ one foreign policy advisor with knowledge of Perry’s thinking told The Cable. ‘He has no sympathy for the neo-isolationist impulses emanating from some quarters of the Republican Party.’"

(Excerpt) Read more at blog.nj.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: amnesty; illegal; immigration; justinraimondo; laraza; libertarians; lulac; maldef; mulshine; neocon; openborders; paulmulshine; perry; perrybashers; ricardo; rickperry; rinofreeamerica; texas; texican
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To: Yosemitest; All
I'm getting tired of this game of half-truths.

he issued an executive order mandating that Texas girls receive HPV vaccine,

... with an opt-out clause specifically protecting parental rights.

he burdened Texans when he extending in-state tuition to children of undocumented workers,

Clearly Texan's don't feel burdened. Texas in state tuition law (HB 1403) from 10 years ago passed with veto proof majorities. It was tightened unanimously by the legislature in 2005 (SB 1528).

There's been no serious appeal attempt. One feeble effort this year never left committee and was not serious. According to the official document below, about 9,000 students compared to 1.1m enrolled are effected.

Here's an official state document outlining "Residency & In-State Tuition" and what the law actually does.

and Perry has opposed the creation of the Mexico–United States barrier, which is meant to keep out illegal aliens.

He opposes a nearly two thousand mile barrier, a waste of scarce capital money costing at least $50 billion (CRS 2007 numbers) not including land acquisition costs or costs of private labor. He's in favor of "strategic fencing," that is, in favor of building the fence where it makes sense, along with flying predator drones and adding 3,000 more boots on the ground.

As a San Diegan, I can tell you the fence is not a cure all or silver bullet. We're frequently finding sophisticated tunnels with electricity, ventilation systems, rail lines… here's an example in Nogales from this week.

Rick Perry is what the establishment Republicans want, an ex(?)-Democrat that doesn't want to do anything about Illegal Immigration,

I keep hearing this he'll "do nothing" but I can plainly see he's already done plenty.

As you all look through the list on your purity tests, ask yourselves, what other candidate is running with a long record and actual action on immigration/border issues? Romney? Bachmann?

Perry's signed bills against human trafficking (HB 1372, 4008 & SB 11 of '07), on increased border security (probably the Rangers on the border he's mentioned; HB1 of '07), for tougher employer sanctions (HB 1196 of '07), on document fraud (HB 126 of '07) and signed Voter ID. Source: http://www.txcc.org/illegal-immigration & Reuters (Voter ID signing)

He sent Rangers to the border: Texas governor sends Rangers to Mexico border (2009)

He also mentioned aerial assets on the border:

Texas Gov. Rick Perry says Predator drones should patrol Texas border (2010)

Texas gets a second aerial drone for border security (2011)

He's not for amnesty or "pathway to citizenship" as a reward:

In A December 2006 editorial, Gov. Perry wrote: "I would rather know who is crossing our border legally to work instead of not knowing who is crossing our border illegally to work. A guest worker program that provides foreign workers with an ID removes the incentive for millions of people to illegally enter our country. It also adds those workers to our tax base, generates revenue for needed social services and it can be done without providing citizenship." and "Along with millions of Americans, I think it is wrong to reward those who broke our laws with citizenship ahead of those who have followed the law and are waiting to enter this country legally. And like millions of Americans I do not support amnesty." (Emphasis mine.)

Source: http://governor.state.tx.us/news/editorial/10326/

He's a critic of E-Verify's lack of impact on Texas but it is used in thousands of Texas business although not required. However, Texas does require and use the I-9 "employment eligibility" forms which is where E-Verify is supposed to take its info. So in a real sense Texas already verifies eligibility, and under Perry it became harder on employers who violate the law and those who provide documents to defraud employers. Hutchison says Texas state doesn't use E-Verify to weed out undocumented workers applying for jobs (PolitiFact, 2010)

A mandatory E-Verify bill failed to pass the Texas legislature this year Business leaders say mandatory ‘E-Verify’ plan would harm small businesses (2011)

(Some say I-9 forms are meaningless but if I-9 is meaningless and that's where E-Verify gets its data what the hell use is mandatory E-Verify other than an unacceptable error rate and legal costs associated with that?)

Ban on driver's licenses for illegals (SB 1). ID measure passed quietly, while sanctuary cities bill died noisily

A bill banning "sanctuary cities," added by Perry to the recent special session, passed the Senate but failed in the Texas House. Same story as above: ID measure passed quietly, while sanctuary cities bill died noisily

Gee! Look at that! Old open borders RINO Rick, Governor Goodhair. He's never done anything about illegal immigration or border control. We need the untested Perfection Personified instead! /s

There are things I don't particularly like but we need more information, we need context if we're going to vet these candidates fairly and avoid putting faith in a candidate's that only right on rhetoric and lacking record of accomplishment.

Among the worst things we can do is to nominate a Republican version of the same empty vessel Obama was in 2008 for Democrats.

41 posted on 08/20/2011 12:25:59 AM PDT by newzjunkey (We are the frog on slow a boil. More soft tyranny from this regime.)
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To: newzjunkey
While I appreciate you're bringing more information and links on the Perry fact finding mission, I still find Rick Perry unacceptable as a Republican candidate.
He might do for the Democrats, though.
42 posted on 08/20/2011 12:33:55 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Tempest

>>> The neocons have anointed their candidate,

Ahhh I see. It’s da JOOOOOOS.


43 posted on 08/20/2011 1:08:15 AM PDT by tlb
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To: tlb
Neocons?
There's nothing new about conservatism.
Neocons, is just another word to hide RINOs.
44 posted on 08/20/2011 1:20:03 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Tempest

That “article” is terrible. I can’t tell what parts are the author speaking and what parts are quotes from others.

I’ve read Mulshine before and he’s usually at least coherent.

That whole piece is just a hodge podge of slurs and buzz words: Neo-con, Neo-isolationist, Praetorian Guard, Communist!

Message: Rick Perry - evil RINO, or something worse?

Is that it?


45 posted on 08/20/2011 1:31:28 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: Tempest

justin raimondo...man u must want to ride the bolt hoss


46 posted on 08/20/2011 1:33:46 AM PDT by wardaddy (I support Bachmann...or Palin should she enter...but I am not a Palin Harpy...know the difference)
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To: hosepipe

3 folks were zotted on the anyone but obama thread last sunday for saying or implying what you just did

Just letting u know


47 posted on 08/20/2011 1:37:01 AM PDT by wardaddy (I support Bachmann...or Palin should she enter...but I am not a Palin Harpy...know the difference)
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To: Tempest
Socialist R Vs. Socialist D.

Some choice!

48 posted on 08/20/2011 1:38:51 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: Tempest

Citing Justine Raimondo undermines any claim of conservatism. Mulshine is being lazy and stupid. Perry is no conservative, but bringing up immigration while citing Raimondo is silly hypocrisy.


49 posted on 08/20/2011 2:18:50 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: Tempest
Justin Raimondo? The anti-Israel, Ralph Nader supporting anti-war homosexual?

He has an opinion about Rick Perry? Someone should care?

Why post crap?

50 posted on 08/20/2011 2:39:38 AM PDT by Chunga ("Woo hoo!! Palin/West 2012. Unbeatable!!" - Jim Robinson)
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To: Tempest

Paul Mulshine’s column in the Star Ledger kept me sane in the years before FreeRepublic. He’s a fan of Ron Paul and has written some compelling columns on why. But over the past few years Mulshine’s become so cranky that I’ve given up on him. His reliance on Raimondo is very lazy on his part. HR could have made his point about Perry’s interventionalism using other references.

The view of the Texas Republican group is interesting but given that Paul is also from Texas, it could easily just be a group aligned with Paul.


51 posted on 08/20/2011 3:12:09 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: dila813

-——————What we call Right is a pretty poor description of what we are and even if Perry was a internationalist, does an internationalist have to be right wing?———————

Yes.

Left/right are european constructs to begin with. Communists on the left, Fascists on the right. It’s a false choice, really, but you see liberals and media types present false choices constantly on all topics.

The american founding built a whole new set of tracks, and it took a long time for these big government types to get us here.

-——————Do we actually want to fall into the trap of letting the left define us?-————————

I’ve asked that question many times myself, in different ways. Usually I ask it in the context of big gov/establishment republicans and tea partiers.

Both can’t be right wing. Tea partiers have little/nothing to do with the republican establishment, policy-wise I mean. This is easily seen by how venomously many Rs attack the tea party in sleazy ways.

But in all cases if you look at those republicans who chronically grew government; progressive republicans, they were also interventionist with the US Military. The left is also internationalist, but their preferred vehicle is to surrender to the UN.(or what would’ve been the league of nations)


52 posted on 08/20/2011 3:15:18 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: Elendur

———————”... posting Perry attacks from leftist media sources. “

like Michelle Malkin and Mark Levine... ?———————

Actually, Mark Levine is very left wing.

Mark Levin may be who you meant to type.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Levine_%28journalist%29


53 posted on 08/20/2011 3:22:02 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: newzjunkey
A bill banning "sanctuary cities," added by Perry to the recent special session, passed the Senate but failed in the Texas House.

As Perry knew it would. But, he gets to claim he tried.

54 posted on 08/20/2011 3:40:38 AM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: Tempest

Whoa! “Conniving neo-cons”! Oh, those pesky Joooooooooooz again.


55 posted on 08/20/2011 4:30:25 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Run, Sarah, Run! Please!)
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To: Tempest

Live links at the link
From http://peskytruth.wordpress.com/2011/08/05/why-rick-perry-should-be-our-next-president/

Perry has said that federal immigration enforcement has failed and that Texas must protect its own borders. The following statement on border security was made at Perry’s State of the State Address in February, 2007. “I am proposing a $100 million investment in a more secure border. There is no such thing as homeland security without border security. It is not hyperbole to say terrorists view our international border with Mexico as a prime point of entry – that is the conclusion of the U.S. intelligence community.”

“While the vast majority of people who come here illegally are economic migrants simply seeking a better life, the small percentage seeking to cause us harm doesn’t dress differently. Nor do they put out press advisories in advance of their arrival. They don’t want us to know they are here until they have done mortal damage to our people.”

“I support strategic fencing in urban areas along the border. But I also believe, like border sheriffs, that the best solution involves added manpower, not unmanned walls.”

From a statement on Governor Perry’s website, “Securing our southern border is a federal responsibility, but the effects of the federal government’s failure to live up to that responsibility are big problems in Texas. As a result, our state has spent more than $230 million over the past several years to protect our communities and fill in the sizable gaps left by insufficient federal efforts.”

“Texas is paying border officers overtime to stretch their training and abilities further. We’ve added state-of-the-art aviation assets, including helicopters, and advanced communications and tactical equipment.”

“The state also has established Joint Operation and Intelligence Centers in each Border Patrol Sector and created quick-response units – like Trooper Strike Teams and Texas Ranger Recon Teams – that can effectively counter criminal activity in even the most remote areas of the border region.”

And in another statement the governor said, “The Obama administration must dedicate more Border Patrol agents to Texas. In fact, I have asked Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano to assign an additional 3,000 agents to the Texas-Mexico border. The current Texas Border Patrol staffing level of 7,700 is entirely inadequate considering that our state shares more than 1,200 miles of border with Mexico – roughly 64 percent of the entire American southern boundary.”

“In January 2009, I requested that until those staffing levels are increased, 1,000 Title 32 National Guard troops be deployed along the Texas-Mexico border in direct support of current state border-security operations.”

“After nearly two years, I have yet to receive a substantial response to my requests for help. Instead, under its own plan, the Obama administration sent just 286 National Guardsmen to the Texas border - a scant 20 percent of the 1,200 Guardsmen the White House deployed along the entire border.” When the Texas/Mexico border extends for some 1,200 miles (out of a 1,954 mile total U.S. border), Texas had every right to expect a pro-rated share of the 1,200 Guardsmen, or 768 guardsmen. Instead, Texas got 286 – a grossly insufficient number.

So, Perry wrote yet another letter to the President respectfully requesting an additional 1,000 federal agents to help secure the Texas/Mexico border. Since previous letters to President Obama got no response, Perry attempted to hand deliver this one directly to the President. The two met briefly on the tarmac as the President de-planed in Austin, Texas in August of 2010. With the whole incident caught on video, Obama refused to personally accept the letter and Perry was forced to hand it to presidential adviser Valerie Jarrett. There was already no love lost between Perry and Obama, but to publically rebuff the governor of Texas (or any governor) by refusing to accept a hand delivered letter? What other President would show so little class as to do that? None, except Obama.

After six years of fierce partisan battling, Gov. Perry signed SB 14, the 2011 Immigration bill on May 27, 2011. Known as the “Voter ID bill,” the law requires that voters in Texas will be required to produce a simple photo ID to verify their identity before casting their vote.

Additionally, an amendment was added to a finance bill that requires that every person who applies for a Texas driver’s license be verified in the federal immigration databases through a program called Secure Communities. The change gives the Texas Department of Public Safety the authority to make sure someone is in the country legally before issuing a Texas driver’s license.

On the issue of amnesty, Governor Perry addressed a 2008 Governor’s Conference in Miami and made this statement: “I hope that there are 43 Republican Senators, and some thoughtful Democrats who realize that if you want to be an American citizen here’s the way you do it … you need to get in line just like everyone else. Go get in that immigration line like everyone who came before you. Now do we want to have sensible immigration policies that allow people who want to come into our state and work. Absolutely. Secure that border, have a sensible immigration policy, and if you want to be a citizen of the United States, there’s the line. But to go give 13 million people a citizenship because you came here illegally is … is … Asinine!”

An estimated 1.6 million illegal immigrants are currently residing in Texas, according to the Pew Hispanic Center in Washington and exert an enormous strain on the state’s ability to provide the services that legal residents have a right to expect. To see more of Texas’ Hispanic (legal and illegal) population, here is a Pew Hispanic Center site with that data.

http://peskytruth.wordpress.com/2011/08/05/why-rick-perry-should-be-our-next-president/


56 posted on 08/20/2011 4:49:58 AM PDT by listenhillary (Look your representatives in the eye and ask if they intend to pay off the debt. They will look away)
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To: smokingfrog

Mark Levin: Paul Mulshine is a “Hack” and a “Jackass”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITybjQEA0fk


57 posted on 08/20/2011 5:23:57 AM PDT by BilLies (330,000 northern whites died between 1861-65 so that Obama could use Affirmative Action.)
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To: GunRunner

“...a nice little circle jerk...”

It would appear that you are correct.


58 posted on 08/20/2011 5:28:30 AM PDT by BilLies (330,000 northern whites died between 1861-65 so that Obama could use Affirmative Action.)
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To: dila813

“Do we actually want to fall into the trap of letting the left define us?”

It looks like several have already fallen into that trap.
Ron Paul is a very dim bulb when it comes to foreign policy.

What do you think of the following:

(potential 2012 hopeful weighs in on support for Israel)

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Perry-urges-punishment-for-Americans-protesting-2081813.php


59 posted on 08/20/2011 5:51:37 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Tempest

Hawkish international interventionism is not American exceptionalism and I’m tired of it being presented as such.


60 posted on 08/20/2011 6:01:37 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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