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Bill bans teacher-student flings (school employees 'groom' victims early - Pennsylvania)
Philly Burbs ^ | 8/22/11 | Jo Ciavaglia

Posted on 08/22/2011 11:03:24 AM PDT by Libloather

Bill bans teacher-student flings
By Jo Ciavaglia Staff writer
Updated: 12:16 pm, Mon Aug 22, 2011

She was a 17-year-old student. He was a 43-year-old math teacher. When their romance was revealed in 2009, many called it morally and ethically wrong.

**SNIP**

Montgomery County District Attorney Risa Ferman, whose office initiated the push for the bill to make student-teacher sexual relationships a felony, says the crimes happen frequently, and they do “enormous” damage to young people.

Ferman believes the bill would provide a strong deterrent for school employees.

“When misdeeds have no consequence, there is not disincentive to act. What we have seen over many years there is no consequence to any significance,” Ferman said. “I’m hoping we never have to use it.”

School employees who pursue romances with students are usually aware of the age of consent, and some will start “grooming” students before their 16th birthdays to earn their trust, Bucks County prosecutor Jennifer Schorn said.

“That is what is most disturbing,” she added.

During the 2005 trial of former Pennridge High School gym teacher David Heath, it was revealed that he had waited until shortly after the girl’s 16th birthday to start a sexual relationship because he knew the age of consent, said Schorn, who prosecuted the case.

Hawkins, the Council Rock High School South teacher, did the same thing, discussing the age of consent with his teenage lover, according to court records. The girl later told police Hawkins did Internet research to find out the legal age of sexual consent.

“To me that is what really showed me how manipulative he was,” said Schorn, who also prosecuted Hawkins. “He knew there was a gray area.”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes; pedophile; pedophilia; pennsylvania; predator; school; sexualsin; students; teachers
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1 posted on 08/22/2011 11:03:33 AM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather
Bill bans teacher-student flings I've been hearing about so many of them recently, I just figured it was just another union protected perk...
2 posted on 08/22/2011 11:06:48 AM PDT by apillar
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To: Libloather

“He knew there was a gray area.”

What gray area? Either she attained the age of consent or she didn’t.


3 posted on 08/22/2011 11:08:26 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: Libloather

We need to end protective custody for pedophiles in prison. There are too many of them and the cost is too high.


4 posted on 08/22/2011 11:12:20 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Libloather
Bill bans teacher-student flings

A ban, is it? Why didn't anyone think of this before?

So, I guess this will never happen again?

5 posted on 08/22/2011 11:12:37 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: swain_forkbeard
What if the teacher is female?
6 posted on 08/22/2011 11:14:16 AM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: Puppage

It didn’t happen before because way too many people think this is a big joke. A young boy has sex with a 30 or 40 year old teacher and everyone is proud that he is “getting some.” No teacher—male or female—should have sex with a student—male or female. It doesn’t matter how “hot” the teacher is. And it shouldn’t matter what the age of consent is either. A teacher should not be having sex with a 16 or 17 year old boy or girl while the boy or girl is in school. Period. Throw the teachers in jail if they do it.


8 posted on 08/22/2011 11:17:33 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Libloather

shouldn’t this already be illegal?


9 posted on 08/22/2011 11:18:18 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: swain_forkbeard

It doesn’t matter, she is a minor.

It also should be illegal with anyone abusing a position of public trust or authority to gain sex over an inferior/student. A boss who makes it plain to an employee that their paycheck depends on sexual favors, a college professor giving better grades to a student they are sleeping with. It is all wrong and should be firing offenses.

If its a minor, they should just be shot.


10 posted on 08/22/2011 11:21:49 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: starlifter

“What if the teacher is female?”

Well then...as we all know...
it depends on what she looks like!!


11 posted on 08/22/2011 11:22:37 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: starlifter

It doesn’t matter whether its male or female predators.

Do we want boys to think that kids are fair game when they grow up?


12 posted on 08/22/2011 11:23:34 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GeronL

Generally, it is NOT illegal for people who have reached the age of consent to have sex. That’s what the age of consent is all about.


13 posted on 08/22/2011 11:24:13 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: swain_forkbeard
True. Hot with big hoots is always a defense.

More to the point, in principle I am skeptical of “zero tolerance” rules and laws.

Is a teacher banging a student wrong? Yes.

Should the teacher be fired? Yes.

Does it merit the teacher being labeled a sex offender for life? Each case is unique.

14 posted on 08/22/2011 11:26:35 AM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: Libloather
This is what happened to Newt Gingrich ~ his teacher seduced him and then forced him into early marriage.

This scarred him for life.

15 posted on 08/22/2011 11:28:05 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: starlifter

Not just fired - but also banned from teaching.

They have shown unmistakably that they cannot be put into a position of trust.


16 posted on 08/22/2011 11:30:11 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: swain_forkbeard

So a teacher, professor boss having sex with a student he has power (grades, paycheck) over shouldn’t be illegal?

“Age of consent” what is that to you, 10? Are you NEA or Planned Parenthood or APA? It should be 18.

just kidding


17 posted on 08/22/2011 11:30:28 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: allmendream
You are right. Any adult who goes after school age kids—even boys and girls who are 16 or 17—is showing some disturbing signs. Its never a case of, say, a 24 year old teacher hooking up with a 17 year old student. In that case, I'd say it could just be two people in love and a more lenient punishment is warranted. But time after time, we see men and women in their 30s, 40s, 50s going after the students. Even when the students are 16 or 17, its still pretty disturbing that the teacher — someone in a position of trust — is going after the student. Its a sign of a mental sickness that needs to be kept away from kids.
18 posted on 08/22/2011 11:35:54 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: allmendream
You are right. Any adult who goes after school age kids—even boys and girls who are 16 or 17—is showing some disturbing signs. Its never a case of, say, a 24 year old teacher hooking up with a 17 year old student. In that case, I'd say it could just be two people in love and a more lenient punishment is warranted. But time after time, we see men and women in their 30s, 40s, 50s going after the students. Even when the students are 16 or 17, its still pretty disturbing that the teacher — someone in a position of trust — is going after the student. Its a sign of a mental sickness that needs to be kept away from kids.
19 posted on 08/22/2011 11:37:11 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Puppage

“A ban, is it? Why didn’t anyone think of this before?

So, I guess this will never happen again?”

Of course it won’t! I mean think about it. Have you ever heard of this kind of thing happening between teachers and students below the age of majority?

;)


20 posted on 08/22/2011 11:38:46 AM PDT by sand lake bar (This bag may be used as a toy)
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To: Libloather

Sad to think we need this. But ever since Mary Kay basically got away with it these cases have been exploding.

At one point not that long ago a relationship between a teen student and her teacher in PA was upheld by a court as being a common law marriage! I guess our laws have not caught up with our sick reality.


21 posted on 08/22/2011 11:59:15 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: apillar

This is why government cannot do public school because it invariably becomes a fraud and rife with favoritism.

Try that in the private sphere and see how the school is going to fare if the contracts are broken.

GOVERNMENT SERVICE IS FRAUD


22 posted on 08/22/2011 12:03:49 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Libloather
Two different issues - age of consent and power dynamic.

Power dynamic can also be broken down into student of particular teacher, versus student in school but not of particular teacher.

If age of consent has been reached, and student is not in any of teachers classes, then "bans" or "restrictions" are going to have a hard time being defended.

Bogart (age 45) and Bacall (age 19):


23 posted on 08/22/2011 12:05:29 PM PDT by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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To: apillar

Oh, and did we forget that Lenin was the son of a school dean and teacher?

Public Education and communist leninism, and the f@gotry big daddy institution rolls on its fraud education.


24 posted on 08/22/2011 12:05:39 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“... Mary Kay basically got away with it...”

First of all, the kid HAD NOT reached the age of consent.

Anyway, serving seven years in prison doesn’t seem to me like getting away with it.


26 posted on 08/22/2011 12:50:56 PM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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