Posted on 08/23/2011 4:34:15 PM PDT by Eleutheria5
The debate on the intentions of Glenn Beck and other Christian evangelicals rages on, and Dr. Gadi Eshel, a Land of Israel activist, told Arutz 7 Tuesday that while he did not believe that Beck's intentions were improper, rejecting the friendship of evangelicals could cause anti-Semitism.
Eshel was responding to comments by Jerusalem City Council member Mina Fenton Monday, who voiced vociferous opposition to Beck's appearance in Jerusalem on Wednesday, saying that his rally was designed to encourage missionary activity. Eshel told Arutz 7 that Christians like Beck supported Israel because they were strong believers in the Bible, and not out of missionary reasons.
“The basic belief of Christians like Beck is that the Torah and Tanach are divine in nature and precede the Christian Gospels. This is different than the beliefs of traditional Christians, like Roman Catholics, and even Episcopalians, who participate in boycotts against Israel,” he said.
As such, Eshel said, rejecting the friendship offered unconditionally by Beck and evangelicals in general would be the ultimate in ingratitude.
“Such ingratitude would be an act of suicide,” he said. “This could cause great damage potentially. The paranoia and automatic negative reaction has the potential to cause a great wave of anti-Semitism.” With all the concerns about the rise of radical Islam and the isolation of Israel even by the U.S., Eshel says, “spitting at and rejecting Israel's most loyal friends would truly be an act of suicide.
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Not all Christians love Israel. As he said, the churches that have deviated from God’s law and embraced homosexuality and no longer follow the teachings of Yeshua of Nazareth are mostly inhabited by left wing lunatics who hate Jews.
I could see that. Rejecting the offered hand of friendship could result in bitterness. I don’t think it would result so much in antisemitism as it would a “let them stew in their own juices” mentality.
Fascism is extreme nationalist .... it is on the right ... look it up ... and make sure you aren’t looking at someone’s made up definition, I mean the official traditional definition since WWII ... Fascism is on the right
You can only call conservatives right wing because they are pro-united states, but our country isn’t based on the idea of the state, it is based on the idea of the individual which is anti-state
Wikipedia actually didn’t do a bad job on this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum
Fascism is extreme nationalist .... it is on the right ... look it up ... and make sure you aren’t looking at someone’s made up definition, I mean the official traditional definition since WWII ... Fascism is on the right
You can only call conservatives right wing because they are pro-united states, but our country isn’t based on the idea of the state, it is based on the idea of the individual which is anti-state
Wikipedia actually didn’t do a bad job on this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum
Please note that FASCISM is what all Jews think of when you say Right Wing. So when you are talking with Jews ..... you need to stay away from these left right terms ... otherwise you feed right into the left wing propaganda.
That's why the one-dimensional political spectrum is crap.
True, it was interesting how Hitler thought that getting the spear of destiny would allow him to create the Roman Empire and allow him to declare himself the Roman Pontiff with authority over the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church.
Maybe, but if you have any hope of getting along with Jewish People at large, you have to understand that Right Wing means Brown Shirts and Hitler to these folks.
Traditionally, Right Wing is Fascism.....Nationalism etc..
Our twist is that we are Nationalist, but being Nationalist in the US means being Anti-State not Super State.
As much as I support Mr. Beck’s stand in support of Israel, there is one huge problem with the article: Glenn Beck is NOT a Christian, he is a member of a cult which has, since it’s inception stated in no uncertain terms that Mormonism is NOT Christian or Christianity. Only recently has this cult-wolf in sheeps clothing sought to deceive the masses by claiming that Mormonism is christian.
You put Jews in ovens because you are a Christian?
Hitler was into the occult. His government did NOT murder the Jews in the name of Jesus. Europeans today who hate Jews, hate Christians, too. They do not hate Jews in the name of Jesus. They are socialists - like Hitler was a socialist. In fact, Hitler said after he was done with the Jews, he would be coming after the Christians.
This guy is saying it would be suicidal for Jews to reject the friendship of Christians in America who fight hard to keep Israel as our ally. He’s right about that. Israel has a friend in American Christians. Beck is so a strong ally of Israel. It makes no sense for Jews to be mean to Christians.
“Mormonism is NOT Christian or Christianity. Only recently has this cult-wolf in sheeps clothing sought to deceive the masses by claiming that Mormonism is christian.”
Well and good. Speaking as a Jew, I have to say that it really makes no difference to me. Mormon, Christian. Whatever.
I wouldn’t agree that the Nazis were Christians. Perhaps they were baptized shortly after birth, whether by sprinklers or dunkers I don’t know. But Nazism was an all-encompassing, secular, statist religion, much like Communism. Whatever their parents did to them with some water while naming them, a committed Nazi is not a practicing Christian.
“Be like us trying to figure out the different Jewish denominations (or whatever they are called).”
What? You don’t know the difference between a Misnagged, a Breslover and a Lubavitcher? What about a Meshichister and non-Meshichister Lubavitcher, or a Nanach Breslover and a more traditional? Neturei Karta, Satmar Siget and stam Satmar?
Having studied Jewish “mysticism” for most of my life, I’ve never seen that anywhere. Amalek is the very epitome of evil from which all lesser evils flow. But one can be not only moral, but merit a high place in the world to come without being Jewish at all. Once you are Jewish, however, you must keep the 613 Mitzvot. The Talmud speaks of the two martyrs of Lud as being in a place so high in Paradise that nobody else could enter. They were two righteous gentiles who, to save the town of Lud from destruction by the Romans, took the blame for a capital crime and were put to death for it, though they were innocent.
There are seven basic laws that the Torah says Noah was commanded, and which all gentiles must therefore keep: not to kill, commit adultery, steal, or worship idols, to believe in one G-d, have just courts of law, and not to eat a limb off a living animal. Keep those seven, and in the eyes of the Torah you are righteous, whether you call yourself a Christian, Mormon, non-affiliated good guy, or even a Moslem.
“Does Eshel truly believe that Evangelicals are, by nature, paranoid and negative? And that if you don’t accept their friendship they will become anti-Semitic? “
He has the precedent of Martin Luther’s initial solicitousness towards Jews. When they did not all suddenly convert, he turned on them. I don’t believe that Glen Beck would do that, but it has occurred in the past with others.
Would Konrad Heiden’s Der Fuhrer be less authoritative than Wikipedia? There were factions within Nazism that wanted to emphasize the socialistic aspects more than the nationalistic. But all Nazis wanted to nationalize the banks, “Jewish capitalism”. That was also Ezra Pound’s pet peeve that attracted him to fascism, as anyone who has read his Cantos can attest. Nazism is nationalism + socialism, for a fusion between left and right that was more noxious than even socialism. Leave it to the Left to strive so mightily to paint Stalin’s former allies as “right wing”.
So as long as we’re damned if we do or don’t, let’s be friends with Catholics, mormons and evangelicals. They want to be our friends. I accept.
Maybe they secretly want to convert us (Wooooooo!). So here’s how I plan to guard against that: not convert.
And that was a definition created by the marxist enamoured left to distance themselves from nazism/facism. Where marxism had zero use for private enterprise, nazism and fascism barely tolerated it. In the case of the nazis, Hitler is repeatedly on record saying limited (crony) capitalism was only a stepping stone to total state control of the economy and a completely classless society.
Hitler and Mussolini both recognized that Western Europe with it's advanced economies could not make an immediate transition to complete state control as was done by the Bolsheviks in Russia.
Wikipedia actually didn’t do a bad job on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum
People have political issues that are important to them. These issues might be broadly lumped into three categories; social, fiscal and foreign policy. I neither have time nor inclination to offer up proof but suffice it to say these realms of academia and intelligencia were enamoured with communism during the early-mid 20th century and owing to marxists having taking control of the university tenure system, they remain of similar mindset today.
Especially following WWII, there was no way these people would permit a political scale to be created showing Communism, National Socialism and Fascism laminated together on one side of a spectrum. There was no way whatsoever. For them, this was an existential issue.
Don't forget, during the 1930's, the best media minds the World had ever known were in Berlin and Moscow. By 1945, Moscow was the undisputed leader in this respect. No one could turn black into white as masterfully as Moscow.
Please note that FASCISM is what all Jews think of when you say Right Wing. So when you are talking with Jews ..... you need to stay away from these left right terms ... otherwise you feed right into the left wing propaganda.
You are definitely correct here. Again, this is an example of where the left tries to compartmentalize people into groups. Once into tribal groups, the members are fearmongered endlessly. "Leaders" of these groups best understand historic fears and use a variety of private network communications to endlessly fearmonger tribal members into obedience to what they are told are the only ones standing between them and the ovens, or them and whatever historic fear they might have.
I'm not exactly sure of the context in which you mention this but in reading Hitler's writings, he simultaneously hated Christianity yet respected it as being a force more powerful than Wotanism and Odinism which it replaced.
While many nazis were into pre-Christian Euro-paganism, Hitler had lost interest in forces he deemed too weak to fight off Christianity by about 1920 at the latest.
In that context, Hitler would have seen the Spear of Destiny as a means to control Christianity.
Once Hitler had control of Christianity, he could then either resurrect "true" Wotanism/Odinism as existed thousands of years previously before becoming so feeble, or he might institute some new form of black-magic neopaganism. In either case, he had a deep hate towards Christianity.
After the war, Christians of good Aryan stock could choose to abandon Christianity, or go to the ovens. But Hitler had to wait until after the war to carry out this part of his plan.
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