Skip to comments.Self-Defense Against a Violent Flash Mob
Posted on 08/31/2011 3:27:45 PM PDT by neverdem
Wyatt Earp disbursed many a lynch mob with his resolute demeanor standing behind his Colt .45 six shooters or a shotgun. Was his threat overkill? I dont think so! It worked and usually, not a shot was fired. Check that thought. What about a flash mob?"
Are they less or more deadly than what Earp encountered? And do you have the reputation of a Marshall Wyatt Earp?
Does the pictured 12 gauge 15-round Kel-Tec Scatter Gun send out the wrong idea? I dont think so. One might want a scatter gun if confronted by a violent mob. However, one is unlikely to be prepared as such. I am trying to convey the seriousness of the situation. Do you have a problem shooting twenty or more violent hoodlums intent on beating you down to the ground?
A flash mob is defined as a group of people who assemble rapidly in a public place, perform an odd and apparently pointless act for a brief period, and then disperse. Flash mobs typically are organized via social media, viral emails and cell phone texts. Until recently, flash mobs were organized for purposes of diversion, street theater, and artistic expression. However, recently, the phenomenon has taken a violent turn.
In recent flash mob attacks both in Europe and in the United States, large, loosely organized wolf packs of teenagers bent on committing violent mayhem have struck in public places, and have seriously injured innocent people caught by surprise in the crowd.
Those injured were in a place they had a right to be, and they were not in places where they would have expected to be targeted for victimization, such as in high crime locations. What can you as a law abiding citizen do to protect yourself and your loved ones from this blight?
Lets not confuse cause with effect!
It does not matter why violent hooligans choose to get swept up in a viral tidal wave of violent behavior. What matters to those innocently caught up in it is how to get out of it alive with intact limbs.
Lets define our terms. Flash mob is a politically correct term for riot. The objective of the rioters is to hurt people. Whether the rioters are drunk, mean, evil, politically motivated, disenfranchised, or whatever, is irrelevant. They are violent criminal actors, or VCAs. If you are unlucky enough to be caught in their path, they are threatening your life and limb. It is like being a Jew caught in the path of Nazi Storm Troopers in pre-World War II Germany. So, lets get our meaning straight. There is nothing cute or politically correct about a violent flash mob. So, be aware.
Being A.W.A.R.E. entails being Alert, being Willing, having a good Attitude, being Ready, and being Even tempered.
You need to watch your 360 so you can see trouble coming in advance. Often you can see early warning signs. Since action is faster than reaction, if you see trouble coming, you can stack the deck in your favor. That ideally will mean beating feet out of there. However, this may not be possible. Flash mobs descend like a tornado and you can be caught unaware, or be trapped in a situation where you cannot safely retreat. So, are you willing?
Willing If you want to survive, you must be willing to do whatever you have to do to survive a lethal force confrontation if you have no other choice.
Thats why we carry a firearmfor the gravest of extremes. Being confronted by a flash mob of violent hoodlums intent on beating you and your companions down is a grave situation. It can easily cause your death or cause you grievous bodily harm. The reality is not what is depicted in a cartoon, a slap stick comedy, or in a TV western. It is a reality horror show. The best that can happen is you get to survive with grievous injuries. You will be fighting for your life, and there will be no time to hesitate.
If you are cornered and faced with such a disparity of force, due to the number of assailants intent on doing you and your companions physical harm, and if you are in fear for your life, all of the conditions that justify the use of deadly force will have been met.
In order to survive, you need to be willing to use deadly force if you find yourself in this type of grave situation. If you truly and reasonably believe that your life, or the lives of persons under the mantle of your protection, are in imminent danger as a result of your being confronted by persons presenting an immediate and unavoidable threat of death or grave bodily harm, you are justified in employing deadly force. Do you have the necessary mindset and attitude?
Be thoughtful, willing to learn, humble, and reasonably friendly, although certainly not overly friendly. Dont cop an attitude before you know the facts. However, once you know the score, your attitude needs to be congruent with the threat level with which you are confronted. Remember that lawful concealed carry is for the good guys and gals. It is for those who are pro-social, not anti-social. If you are not antisocial, and you have not instigated the situation, you have the right to use whatever force is necessary to repel unavoidable unlawful force directed at you--such as being attacked by a flash mob of VCAs. Are you ready?
A gun will do you no good if you are not ready. Being in a state of readiness entails being alert and aware so you can observe what is going on around you. You have to be observant to notice anything out of the ordinary. Once you observe something is out of kilter, then you will orient to it in order to rapidly analyze the situation and decide what to do. Dithering means death. Once you decide, you must act.
If I am facing an oncoming mob and there is no way out, I am prepared to draw my gun and aim it at the nearest and greatest threat. If the sight of the gun doesn't stop the attackers, I am not shooting into the ground. We do not fire warning shots. I am prepared to make my first two warning shots hit center mass of the nearest lethal threat. If a third is required, it might have to be a head shot. This is called failure to stop. A warning shot at the ground is totally unsafe. It could ricochet and hit someone innocent. A warning shot in the air will land somewhere it shouldnt.
You mustnt be impulsive, angry, or rash. These qualities do not go together with carrying a gun. They do not go along with thinking clearly or rationally. Remember that we carry a gun for self defense, not to intimidate or punish. With that said, if backed into a corner with no avenue of escape from a clearly imminent threat of death or grave bodily harm, lethal force is justified. Survival in a dire violent flash mob situation equates with shooting the most threatening and closest person, and then shooting the next until the mob decides to look for an easier target. Even tempered means keeping your cool and not shooting to punish. As soon as the threats turn tail, the shooting must stop. Also, if you are confronted by greater numbers and you even the odds (by downing several threats), you cannot keep shooting! We only shoot to stop the immediate threats.
Avoid and flee if you can. However, if you cannot, and you find yourself backed into a corner, be prepared to attack anyone whom you can identify as the "leader" as fast and as hard as you can. Make him an example!
A violent flash mob is a riot. Violent flash mobs can kill. If you are caught in a violent flash mob, your life is in imminent danger. If you must employ deadly force to repel deadly force, you cannot afford to hesitate. A wise tactician has recently stated: Use the (attackers) overconfidence in numbers and you being an easy target as a surprise. No warnings...don't let them see it coming. Go from being a wide eyed victim to being on the attack. By the time they realize what is happening and even start to react...you should already have several on the ground and on your way to a possible escape! If you happen to be in your vehicle when the attack comes...use reverse as much as you can...the rear of just about any vehicle can take a lot of punishment and still keep going. You don't want holes in your radiator or an airbag in your face.
This is not taking the law into your own hands or vigilante justice. It is self defense and survival. Survival depends upon emergency first aid. If you are unlucky enough to be caught up in a violent flash mob, emergency first aid is doing whatever you must to neutralize the threats to your life and limb until you can escape and the professionals arrive.
Bruce N. Eimer, Ph.D., psychologist and NRA Certified Law Enforcement Firearms Instructor, trains law abiding citizens in the defensive use of firearms. His company, Personal Defense Solutions, LLC, also runs the classes required to obtain the Florida, Virginia, and Utah non-resident multi-state CCW permits. To learn more visit, Personal Defense Solutions.
I doubt it. He may have DISPERSED one or two drunken assemblies ...
If the first 5 don't get their attention......the last 10 will.
“What can you as a law abiding citizen do to protect yourself and your loved ones from this blight?”
Shoot them a lot.
Shoot them in the head.
Shoot them on the spot.
Shoot them in the groin.
Shoot them in their guts.
When they turn to run,
Shoot them in their butts.
(with apologies to Dr. Suess.
Wasp spray, then a .45 loaded with snake shot.
I used to live in Dodge City, KS. not an expert on Wyatt Earp but according to Western historian Louis L’Amore, the idea of a single gunman saving a town from outlaws because the citizens were all sheep is nonsense.
He said most of those people were veterans of the War Between The States and were not scared of anything.
I suspect most flash mobs on the other hand are composed of cowardly bullies who would probably not stand up at all to an armed citizen unless they had him caught unawares.
Good read. Thanks for the post. BTTT.
Izmash IZ-109 Saiga-12 with 30-round Wraith Drum Magazines loaded with OO buck should do the job nicely.
Play for keeps. Think ahaed. Kil lthe first five then see who wants to be next. Brenneke slugs are highly effective.
But I don’t carry a shotgun. I do carry a Glock mod 20, though.
Remember to wear gloves when you load ammo into your weapons so as to not leave fingerprints.
Better yet, just avoid cities. Works for me.
For cleaning up those nasty messes!
You forgot to include “Lawyer Up.” Most of the flash mob incidents are taking place in liberal no-gun zones. If you defend yourself be prepared to be arrested, charged and prosecuted because you killed an underprivileged future Doctor, Scientist, Nobel Laureate who was just beating you to death out of boredom.
of course, if they're especially dense... positionally as well as mentally... you may want to pick up one of these:
Question for CC experts:
How does one conceal a 12-gauge shotgun?
What I want for Christmas is on Free Republic in a post by sten... don't forget the fuel and the ammo and I will not forget your cookies and scotch.
If you don't have thousands of dollars burning a hole in your pocket/purse, there's Hi-Point firearms, where all the pistols are UNDER $200 with a full lifetime, transferable warranty.
Here’s a major difference:
Wyatt Earp knew he had the law behind him and the government behind the law.
Today, anyone apprehended threatening or shooting Holder’s People may have the law behind him, but the government will be on the other side.
Kel Tec doesn’t have a top flight reputation for reliability (although it’s better than a lot of firearm companies), but that shotgun really grabs me. If it turns out to be dependable and not hideously expensive I’ll probably buy one. Kel Tec deserves credit for making interesting guns—some nice small pistols, pistol caliber carbines, and the 30 round .22 Magnum pistol come to mind and especially their new shotgun.
Shooting to wound someone is simply asking them to take all your assets and property. Shoot to kill. Shoot until dead. Do not leave survivors (aka plaintiffs)
I have seen one that fits nicely along the outside of the thigh. Loose pants and only a sharp eye can pick it out.
I guess it is sadly a legitimate concern.
Probably the most practical gun for dealing with large number of wild acting criminals would be one of the Glock or similar guns which now come with really hi capacity mags and are immediately ready for shooting as soon as the gun is in your hand.
Since I can’t afford a new one right now, I would probably wear my old Browning Hi-Power. Although it protrudes a bit, I would have one of the Mec-Gar 20 round mags in it.
Cocked and locked it would be nearly as quick despite having a small safety lever. That would be 21 shots fast in a gun which is easy to hit with.
I like it! But, the inside the waistband holster for it is a bit awkward and uncomfortable at times.
Costner doesn’t have his scatter gun cocked in the pic above.
I can’t believe they picked the Kevin Costner Earp over the Kurt Russell Earp!
I guess I misinterpreted the post. I was thinking about those mobs that attack people in their cars or on the street. Someone who’s been sprayed with wasp spray or hit in the face with snake shot is not about to continue their attack.
It makes sense to not shoot a warning shot.
1. It gives a determined mob more time to attack you.
2. If a mob is coming for you, they will not be willing to let you talk them out of attacking you.
If you have a CCW, THINK about where you’re going and be prepared.
It doesn’t matter whether the mob is 5 or 50, by the time you’ve shot 3 the remainder will flee.
And as long as it makes more noise than a .22, you’re fine.
I remember reading an article about old West gunfighters by Skeeter Skelton many years ago. Skelton was actually a pretty decent historian in addition to being a great writer.
One thing which stayed with me was that there was only one who actually did kill over 40 men and that is documented as doing so.
John Wesley Hardin was the Son of a Methodist minister and a real killer.
I would bet that Frank Hamer was involved in more gunfights than any lawman who ever lived. I have read that William Fairbairne probably won more hand to hand fights than any man in modern times. He was for a while head of the British Army’s Shanghai Riot Police.
The KelTec Sub 2000 in 9mm or 49 &W make nice concealable options. They fold up to 16 inches yet use extra capacity mags like the Glock 33 rounders. Inside fifty yards they are deadly accurate and very reliable. I reccommend a Glock 17 or 22 to accompany the KelTec carbines. ... And lots of magazines. There are good ones coming in from South Korea (KCI) that can be loaded to within two of max and be stored for months on end. I carried a 9mm with Glock 22 conversion to 9mm in my moho for years. Every time I took out a 33 round mag and emptied it, it ran through the ammo without a hitch.
9 mm or 40 S&W ... tired fingers. The KelTec and Glock use the same mags (in Glock 22 or 17 configuration).
Champion Firearms has it priced at $637.00 but not in stock yet.
George Washington was that guy, as well.
Nonlethal ammo is expensive and wastes magazine capacity.
Even nonlethal ammo can kill. Read the warnings. If you use it you might have to explain why you killed someone you only wanted to scare. Good luck with that.
There is no such thing as shooting to wound, or shooting to get their attention. You shoot to stop the perp. Usually, a properly placed load of 00 buckshot will suffice.
And there is no "i" in ordnance.
WEB Griffin goes into Mr. Fairbairne in his early The Corps novels where the main character is staioned in Shanghai before the war.
If you order you may be waiting awhile for that new shotgun. I am still waiting for my order to fill at Impact on the Keltec PMR 30, the new .22 mag. In Oct it will one year since I ordered it. I think I’m now up to #18 out of 280 on the backorder list.
Yes Fairbairne was an interesting and from what I have read, a likeable character.
Makes the FN FiveSeveN look a WHOLE lot
Firstly, there is no such thing as "nonlethal" shotgun rounds. Rock salt or rubber rounds may still kill or cripple. Being in a situation which justifies shooting means that you should be in a situation which justifies deadly force.
Secondly, in a riot situation, you may need every round to get out in one piece.
You can get the Kel tec sub 2000 in many different brands and calibers now.
I have the Glock 19 version.
It is lot of fun to shoot.
I don’t know, that keltec looks nice hah.